Michael Rogers

[thehog]

I am quite sure he was most probably doping, I never said differently :S i just dont think that this means sky are surely up to somthing dodgy, I am not sure what your point is, the only reasonable evidence i have heard is that his power output is apparently better than from the time he was doping which does seem a bit odd.

He quoted himself at 450w. He rode 50km turns in the front at the Tour.

Forget Sky for the moment but this guy is doping. Period.

We can deal with the rest later.

Ferrari makes dreams. You don't leave Ferrari and all of sudden get better 6 years later.

 

[131313]

I am quite sure he was most probably doping, I never said differently :S i just dont think that this means sky are surely up to somthing dodgy, I am not sure what your point is, the only reasonable evidence i have heard is that his power output is apparently better than from the time he was doping which does seem a bit odd.

I think the point is that there's a massive issue of denial at Sky WRT its riders and staff that makes it seem eerily like Postal V2.0:

-Leinders was hired to save people from flesh-eating bacteria

-Sean Yates had no idea anyone at Postal was doping

-we had no idea that Michael Barry ever doped?

-Rogers went to Ferrari just for training advice...

No, these actions don't have anything to do (directly) with current practices at Sky, but it reads like a pack of lies to anyone with a brain, and the denials come from the very top of the organization...which makes a reasonable person wonder something: where does the deception stop?

 

[palmerq]

it is all a bit suspicious, i always agreed with this but i dont think michael rogers proves that sky are up to no good :S... maybe they are maybe not... I would still bet on them not doping to be honest

 

[thehog]

I think the point is that there's a massive issue of denial at Sky WRT its riders and staff that makes it seem eerily like Postal V2.0:

-Leinders was hired to save people from flesh-eating bacteria

-Sean Yates had no idea anyone at Postal was doping

-we had no idea that Michael Barry ever doped?

-Rogers went to Ferrari just for training advice...

No, these actions don't have anything to do (directly) with current practices at Sky, but it reads like a pack of lies to anyone with a brain, and the denials come from the very top of the organization...which makes a reasonable person wonder something: where does the deception stop?

- It was a myth I raced with Lance.

 

[Hillavoider]

i have never seen Rogers so skinny yet so powerful then with Sky

Ferrari has nothing on what Sky are doing

 

[maxmartin]

i have never seen Rogers so skinny yet so powerful then with Sky

Ferrari has nothing on what Sky are doing

that is exactly my point, Roger suddenly is better than his best years which is about 6 or 7 years ago

 

[palmerq]

is he suddenly better... wasnt he world time trial champion more than once back in his good old days ? since then i dont remember him getting close to that feat

 

[Ferminal]

His TT in the Dauphine was the best of his career.

 

[BroDeal]

One thing that is clear from the affidavits is that altitude training and hypoxic chambers chief use seems to be to mask EPO use, which nicely explains the reason for doing altitude training months before the Tour.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

One thing that is clear from the affidavits is that altitude training and hypoxic chambers chief use seems to be to mask EPO use, which nicely explains the reason for doing altitude training months before the Tour.

Agreed. Muddy that spectrograph as much as you can.

 

[sittingbison]

...altitude training and hypoxic chambers chief use seems to be to mask EPO use...

And funnily enough, in the discussion between Parisotto and Ferrari of Armstrong's blood values, Ferrari comes out with the chestnut that some of the values were taken at altitude (which Parisotto debunked).

The old dog can't learn new tricks lol

Back on topic of Dodger, as I said on the Sky thread his problem is this is SWORN TESTIMONY of Levi Leipheimer as to HIS DOPING. He went to that training camp ON TENERIFE to dope with Ferrari. He did not lie, to do so was risk going to jail for perjury. It is not gossip or clinic speculation. And those other riders including Rogers were named.

There is no need for Levi to name names, he is talking about HIS doping. So the clear implication is they were ALL on Tenerife to dope. He did not name those guys specifically for any other reason.

 

[skidmark]

I don't see this as any indication that Rogers or Sky are doping now - the fact of the matter is that Rogers has had good years and bad years all along, I believe a lot of that had to do with Epstein-Barr virus, right? This was maybe his most consistently solid year, but I dunno if this is very conclusive evidence (in and of itself - the evidence outside of the Ferrari link is damning, but separate).

What it is evidence of is that he's a huge liar still, and the attitude of cycling hasn't changed in terms of what is safe to talk about. I'm really starting to be won over by this 'amnesty' idea. I mean, look what rogers is saying:

- I went to a doctor that you only go to for doping, just for training advice.
- I stopped going to him because I didn't get much out of it (only top 10 in the Tour he's ever gotten)
- I competed clean; oh, and the peloton is getting cleaner, but I have done much worse since those days than I did competing against a bunch of dopers.

It's a good thing for him that Brailsford's vetting process is only image-deep, and 'image' is defined entirely as 'caught for a positive test'.

 

[sittingbison]

I don't see this as any indication that Rogers or Sky are doping now...

I have tried to not talk about Sky, this thread is specifically about Rogers.

Sky’s Dave Brailsford expressed his disappointment following Rogers' teammate Michael Barry’s admittance and lies about doping during his career however, Rogers’ past links with Ferrari were already known. Brailsford has emphasised the team’s strong zero tolerance policy towards doping and riders with a past history although Rogers has remained firm on his position that his association with Ferrari was strictly for training programs.

The only thing that needs to be said about Sky is once again they have been shown up as complete hypocrits. Leinders, Yates, Barry, Dodger.

Enough of Sky, this is about Rogers

 

[Ripper]

He can be anything you want him to be. You pay him, he delivers.

I was joking. He is a doping expert but not a great coach. To be the latter would require the ability to deliver without the dope.

Back on topic with Dogers. Wow. Not very convincing stuff. He not so bright!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I was joking. He is a doping expert but not a great coach. To be the latter would require the ability to deliver without the dope.

Back on topic with Dogers. Wow. Not very convincing stuff. He not so bright!

I blame the rectal thermometers.

 

[maxmartin]

I don't see this as any indication that Rogers or Sky are doping now - the fact of the matter is that Rogers has had good years and bad years all along, I believe a lot of that had to do with Epstein-Barr virus, right? This was maybe his most consistently solid year, but I dunno if this is very conclusive evidence (in and of itself - the evidence outside of the Ferrari link is damning, but separate).

His physiological data and power output in Tour this year is better than his days associated with Dr. Ferrari. For me that is almost an absolute sign that he is doping right now in the SKY team.

Oh yeah Virus!!! Rogers and Froom miraculously increased their performance, because SKY detected and cured their virus problems. Give me a break!!!

 

[argyllflyer]

He can be anything you want him to be. You pay him, he delivers.

No wonder US Postal used him so much.

 

[Ferminal]

I have tried to not talk about Sky, this thread is specifically about Rogers.



The only thing that needs to be said about Sky is once again they have been shown up as complete hypocrits. Leinders, Yates, Barry, Dodger.

Enough of Sky, this is about Rogers

Interesting people are still regurgitating "training programs".

Do we have any sworn testimony where a rider says they paid Ferrari and weren't given guidance on PEDs?

All we have is a bunch of testimony which says Ferrari doped people, nothing to say he ever provided dope-free training programs.

 

[RichWalk]

Whoever is attempting to run PR around Sky must be having kittens right now, Rogers quotes are insulting, the only thing he missed out was sunbathing.......

 

[coinneach]

I think the Clinic deserves some credit here.
I'm generally inclined to believe in Sky, but multiple posts have pointed out Rogers as the one most obviously doping.
Now we get testimony about training / doping with Ferrari from Levi, and the one Sky rider who gets mentioned is Rogers.
Chapeau, lads!
(This doesn't make all your other speculation true, not yet anyway!)

 

[wirral]

I think I remember the Australian team at the Worlds announced he had a virus, possibly bronchitis, and said he would not ride.

Found the link.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12888/Sulzberger-called-up-to-replace-Michael-Rogers-in-Australian-squad-for-Elite-road-race.aspx

I always wonder if something showed up on Australia's internal controls and they withdrew him.

 

[rata de sentina]

I think the Clinic deserves some credit here.
I'm generally inclined to believe in Sky, but multiple posts have pointed out Rogers as the one most obviously doping.
Now we get testimony about training / doping with Ferrari from Levi, and the one Sky rider who gets mentioned is Rogers.
Chapeau, lads!
(This doesn't make all your other speculation true, not yet anyway!)

Just to be clear, the Rogers-Ferrari link is already well known which is precisely why he gets 'scrutinised' in the clinic. The LL testimony is just a reminder and maybe a tad more detail.

 

[sittingbison]

Just to be clear, the Rogers-Ferrari link is already well known which is precisely why he gets 'scrutinised' in the clinic. The LL testimony is just a reminder and maybe a tad more detail.

several people have made the same inference. I thought I was pretty clear, but will try a last time.

LL testimony is SWORN, which means he put his hand on a bible and said he would tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Or be sent to prison for perjury.

His testimony is about his doping. He mentions in this testimony about doping the two episodes in 2005 because he went to Tenerife with Dr Ferrari to dope.

He has mentioned several names of other riders, including Dodger. There was no necessity to do so. The names could have been redacted like elsewhere, they were not. The reason the names are mentioned by Levi, and not redacted, is because he is saying they were ALL also doping with Dr Ferrari.

The reason for this is to demonstrate that Dr Ferrari is not a cycling trainer, he did not give training acvice, he is a doping doctor.

The reason for this is to pin this fact on Lance. Lance was working with Dr Ferrari the doping doctor. Lance did not pay $1m for training advice, he employed Ferrari as a doping doctor.

So by inference, Dodger has been named by Levi, under threat of going to jail if he lies, as being a client of doping doctor Ferrari being on Tenerife twice in 2005 to dope.

 

[Franklin]

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His testimony is about his doping. He mentions in this testimony about doping the two episodes in 2005 because he went to Tenerife with Dr Ferrari to dope.

The reason the names are mentioned by Levi, and not redacted, is because he is saying they were ALL also doping with Dr Ferrari.

You.hit.the.nail.on.the.friggin.head.

 

[Franklin]

I think the Clinic deserves some credit here.
I'm generally inclined to believe in Sky, but multiple posts have pointed out Rogers as the one most obviously doping.
Now we get testimony about training / doping with Ferrari from Levi, and the one Sky rider who gets mentioned is Rogers.
Chapeau, lads!
(This doesn't make all your other speculation true, not yet anyway!)

There is an issue here and that's the role of DB. Any feigned surprise is indeed feigned. And so far there is no hint whatsoever that Mickey is being outed by DB.

The cases or Rogers and Leinders show that DB is a liar. There is no way that someone could be surprised about all this. And in the case of Leinders we have public court papers. Unless he's massively incompetent (which he obviously isn't) DB knew about this. And if he didn't know, tough fiddlesticks, he's still responsible and thus culpable.