Michal Kwiatkowski Thread

[del1962]

Wouldn't Danny Van Poppel be the protected sprinter?

 

[damian13ster]

I don't think Van Poppel or Viviani or anyone else on Sky will have a sprint train dedicated for them.
I think that Michal was working for his teammates by attacking and allowing them to sit on, and as a revenge they will work for him on MSR. At least that's my hope.

I think this race will truly show what level Michal is at this season. No matter whether he is strong enough or not, I am still a huge fan! Such an exciting rider never afraid to make surprise attack and always using tactical smarts to overcome physical limitations.

 

[fauniera]

Geraint is not riding San Remo? He was pretty good there a few years ago and the form is there.

 

[MatParker117]

E3 repeats itself, fantastic win.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re:

Really inspiring rider when he is on. Great attacking spirit! Really good if he is back on.

He should ride E3 and Flanders as well. I really hope Sky and himself do realise that.

Just repeating myself here. Im so glad he is back at his best and really hopes he will ride those 2 races.

 

[Arredondo]

Re: Re:

Really inspiring rider when he is on. Great attacking spirit! Really good if he is back on.

He should ride E3 and Flanders as well. I really hope Sky and himself do realise that.

Just repeating myself here. Im so glad he is back at his best and really hopes he will ride those 2 races.

Well today it wasn't really an attacking spirit, but some really smart racing

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

Really inspiring rider when he is on. Great attacking spirit! Really good if he is back on.

He should ride E3 and Flanders as well. I really hope Sky and himself do realise that.

Just repeating myself here. Im so glad he is back at his best and really hopes he will ride those 2 races.

Well today it wasn't really an attacking spirit, but some really smart racing

Thats pointing out the obvious... but yes.

 

[Akuryo]

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E3 repeats itself, fantastic win.

Or Strade Bianche, or a lot of races in their junior days. Kwiatkowski seems to come out on top more often in the direct duel. Sagan is the more consistent rider but on his day Kwiatkowski beats him a lot.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Kwito and GVA are the only ones being able to win against Sagan in Flanders. Only ones.

 

[the asian]

Strade Bianche is a ominous indicator of Kwiat's year.

2014- He won SB & World's

2017. SB & MSR.

 

[Gigs_98]

It's actually impressive that Kwiatkowskis one day race palmares is only slightly worse than Sagans.

Sagan has won:
-2xWC
-RVV
-2x GW
-E3
-Quebec
-Montreal

Kwiat has won:
-WC
-MSR
-E3
-AGR
-2x SB

So Sagan has one more very big win and all in all 2 more classics. Still considering that 2014 was Kwiats first good season and that he was far from his best in the last two years this is very surprising.

 

[DFA123]

It's actually impressive that Kwiatkowskis one day race palmares is only slightly worse than Sagans.

Sagan has won:
-2xWC
-RVV
-2x GW
-E3
-Quebec
-Montreal

Kwiat has won:
-WC
-MSR
-E3
-AGR
-2x SB

So Sagan has one more very big win and all in all 2 more classics. Still considering that 2014 was Kwiats first good season and that he was far from his best in the last two years this is very surprising.

You could make an argument that Kwiatkowski's is better, based on the diversity of races involved. Ardennes classic, hilly worlds, sprinters monument, cobbled classic and SB. He's covered pretty much every type of one day race.

Sagan has quantity, but significantly less diversity.

 

[May0maniac]

It's actually impressive that Kwiatkowskis one day race palmares is only slightly worse than Sagans.

Sagan has won:
-2xWC
-RVV
-2x GW
-E3
-Quebec
-Montreal

Kwiat has won:
-WC
-MSR
-E3
-AGR
-2x SB

So Sagan has one more very big win and all in all 2 more classics. Still considering that 2014 was Kwiats first good season and that he was far from his best in the last two years this is very surprising.

Yes, but Kwait is a bit like Bettini, he only wins big races.
The guy's just one of the smartest racers in the game, he knows how to read a race and when he was to follow a move, one hell of a rider.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Kawasaki really has a killer instinct in classics. When he is in a finale, he usually wins it.

I will always echo what DFA said, its very impressive that he has won such a wide variety of classics. Really a born classics rider with big flair for winning

 

[Gigs_98]

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Kawasaki really has a killer instinct in classics. When he is in a finale, he usually wins it.

I will always echo what DFA said, its very impressive that he has won such a wide variety of classics. Really a born classics rider with big flair for winning

I guess that was autocorrect but I still think we should make this his official nickname

 

[Flamin]

No, that's how he's called by his team mates.

 

[Gigs_98]

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No, that's how he's called by his team mates.

Really? Thats a really cool nickname :lol:

 

[dick the quick]

Would not think that MSR will be his first monument to win. Would go more with either RvV or L-B-L. But very happy to see him winning.

 

[Mr.White]

It's actually impressive that Kwiatkowskis one day race palmares is only slightly worse than Sagans.

Sagan has won:
-2xWC
-RVV
-2x GW
-E3
-Quebec
-Montreal

Kwiat has won:
-WC
-MSR
-E3
-AGR
-2x SB

So Sagan has one more very big win and all in all 2 more classics. Still considering that 2014 was Kwiats first good season and that he was far from his best in the last two years this is very surprising.

And that's the usual problem when you only look at one aspect (aka winning, although the far most important one). Or do you really think Kwiatkowski is very close to Sagan in terms of one-day racing? I don't. Although I think, he really is one of the finest classics riders in the peloton, and today's victory is a testament to that.

 

[Gigs_98]

It's actually impressive that Kwiatkowskis one day race palmares is only slightly worse than Sagans.

Sagan has won:
-2xWC
-RVV
-2x GW
-E3
-Quebec
-Montreal

Kwiat has won:
-WC
-MSR
-E3
-AGR
-2x SB

So Sagan has one more very big win and all in all 2 more classics. Still considering that 2014 was Kwiats first good season and that he was far from his best in the last two years this is very surprising.

And that's the usual problem when you only look at one aspect (aka winning, although the far most important one). Or do you really think Kwiatkowski is very close to Sagan in terms of one-day racing? I don't. Although I think, he really is one of the finest classics riders in the peloton, and today's victory is a testament to that.

That was the point of the post. The statistic makes it look as if kwiat is about as good as Sagan although the reality is that sagan is clearly at least one class above him. Although kwiatkowski is ofc still a superb classics rider

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Kawasaki really has a killer instinct in classics. When he is in a finale, he usually wins it.

I will always echo what DFA said, its very impressive that he has won such a wide variety of classics. Really a born classics rider with big flair for winning

I guess that was autocorrect but I still think we should make this his official nickname

I laughed!

 

[Mr.White]

It's actually impressive that Kwiatkowskis one day race palmares is only slightly worse than Sagans.

Sagan has won:
-2xWC
-RVV
-2x GW
-E3
-Quebec
-Montreal

Kwiat has won:
-WC
-MSR
-E3
-AGR
-2x SB

So Sagan has one more very big win and all in all 2 more classics. Still considering that 2014 was Kwiats first good season and that he was far from his best in the last two years this is very surprising.

And that's the usual problem when you only look at one aspect (aka winning, although the far most important one). Or do you really think Kwiatkowski is very close to Sagan in terms of one-day racing? I don't. Although I think, he really is one of the finest classics riders in the peloton, and today's victory is a testament to that.

That was the point of the post. The statistic makes it look as if kwiat is about as good as Sagan although the reality is that sagan is clearly at least one class above him. Although kwiatkowski is ofc still a superb classics rider

I get your point, but you didn't get mine. With a superficial observation, of only major wins, it looks like they're really close. But, if you scratch a little bit, you'll find that Sagan has 3 Monument podiums and numerous top10 placings in them. Kwiat has one podium and no top10 other than that. Sagan has 5 other WT classics wins + 8 podiums, Kwiat has 3 wins + 1 podium. Sagan has 18 one-day wins (Including Nationals), Kwiat has 8 wins. So, to summarize, just looking at the whole statistics of these two riders, to me it's obvious that Sagan is clearly better one-day rider

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

It's actually impressive that Kwiatkowskis one day race palmares is only slightly worse than Sagans.

Sagan has won:
-2xWC
-RVV
-2x GW
-E3
-Quebec
-Montreal

Kwiat has won:
-WC
-MSR
-E3
-AGR
-2x SB

So Sagan has one more very big win and all in all 2 more classics. Still considering that 2014 was Kwiats first good season and that he was far from his best in the last two years this is very surprising.

And that's the usual problem when you only look at one aspect (aka winning, although the far most important one). Or do you really think Kwiatkowski is very close to Sagan in terms of one-day racing? I don't. Although I think, he really is one of the finest classics riders in the peloton, and today's victory is a testament to that.

That was the point of the post. The statistic makes it look as if kwiat is about as good as Sagan although the reality is that sagan is clearly at least one class above him. Although kwiatkowski is ofc still a superb classics rider

I get your point, but you didn't get mine. With a superficial observation, of only major wins, it looks like they're really close. But, if you scratch a little bit, you'll find that Sagan has 3 Monument podiums and numerous top10 placings in them. Kwiat has one podium and no top10 other than that. Sagan has 5 other WT classics wins + 8 podiums, Kwiat has 3 wins + 1 podium. Sagan has 18 one-day wins (Including Nationals), Kwiat has 8 wins. So, to summarize, just looking at the whole statistics of these two riders, to me it's obvious that Sagan is clearly better one-day rider

Gigs 98 is not disagreeing with you. Everyone knows that Sagan is the stronger one day racer. It is a particularly good reflection on Kwiatkowski's racing brain that a list of their biggest one day wins hides that fact.

 

[movingtarget]

Smart ride by Kwia. Sagan has to learn to hold his nerve a bit more. Some of the great sprinters from previous years would have waited until the bunch was right on top of them, that's the way to force others to the front but I'm still not convinced that Sagan would have had the legs to beat Kwia after the way he worked and rode the hill. Kwia is an underrated sprinter at the end of a hard race.

 

[IndianCyclist]

I think his sprinting is close to Sagan's. However since he does not use it in sprinting for the green jersey or the normal sprints, nobody knows about it.