Mick Rogers

[blackcat]

Every rider has been promised one team leadership role.

problem is promising too much. I bet about 15 riders think they are on the July team.

 

[elapid]

OK, I am not sure whether I am being gullible and taking the bait hook, line and sinker, or whether you guys are truly deluded in comparing TD to MR.

Tom Danielson's palmares:
- 1st Tour of Qinghai Lake (2002 and 2003)
- 1st Tour de Langkawi (2003)
- 1st Tour of Georgia (2005)
- 1st Tour of Austria (2006)
- Stage win, Vuelta a Espana (2006)
- 6th Vuelta a Espana (2006) and 7th Vuelta a Espana (2005)
- 9th Tour of California (2009)

Michael Rogers's palmares:
- 1st Tour Down Under (2002)
- 1st Deutschland Tour (2003)
- 1st Route de Sud (2003)
- 1st Tour de Belgium (2003)
- 1st Vuelta a Andalucia (2010)
- 2nd Tour de Suisse (2005)
- 3rd Tour of California (2009)
- 6th Tour Down Under (2009)
- 7th Tour of California (2007)
- 7th Giro d'Italia (2009)
- 9th Tour de France (2006)
As well as a number of podium finishes in smaller stage races (such as Volta a Catalunya, Tour of Missouri, Sachsen Tour, and Eneco tour of Benelux), Junior (1996) and Senior (2009) National Time Trial Champion; World U-19 Team Pursuit and Points Race Champion (1997), Commonwealth Games Scratch Race Champion (1998), and triple Time Trial World Champion (2003-2005).

While Rogers is very unlikely to win a GT, he has much more fulfilled talent than Danielson has ever shown.

 

[craig1985]

Ok, this is probably for the Clinic, for a triple World TT Champ, Rogers' results in TT's in the major Tours or even major stage races leave a lot to be desired. I would of expected him to have had a lot more TT success.

Weird.

 

[taiwan]

Regardless of how Löfkvist rides I have a hard time seeing Gerrans being a leader in stage races. He's never shown any tendencies of being interested in GCs. He's more of a one day specialist that also goes for though stages in stage races.

For stage race GCs I think it's more likely that we'll see guys like Stannard, Pauwels, Cioni and possibly even Kennaugh etc if Wiggins, Löfkvist, EBH isn't there.

Well Gerrans placed slightly than Lofkvist in the Vulta a Andalucia just there, and slightly better in the TT. Also he would probably be leader at Paris-Nice, out of:

Sylvain Calzati, Kjell Carlstrom, Dario Cioni, Steve Cummings, Simon Gerrans, Greg Henderson, Serge Pauwels and Geraint Thomas.

(from Sky site)

 

[Anonymous]

OK, I am not sure whether I am being gullible and taking the bait hook, line and sinker, or whether you guys are truly deluded in comparing TD to MR.

Tom Danielson's palmares:
- 1st Tour of Qinghai Lake (2002 and 2003)
- 1st Tour de Langkawi (2003)
- 1st Tour of Georgia (2005)
- 1st Tour of Austria (2006)
- Stage win, Vuelta a Espana (2006)
- 6th Vuelta a Espana (2006) and 7th Vuelta a Espana (2005)
- 9th Tour of California (2009)

Michael Rogers's palmares:
- 1st Tour Down Under (2002)
- 1st Deutschland Tour (2003)
- 1st Route de Sud (2003)
- 1st Tour de Belgium (2003)
- 1st Vuelta a Andalucia (2010)
- 2nd Tour de Suisse (2005)
- 3rd Tour of California (2009)
- 6th Tour Down Under (2009)
- 7th Tour of California (2007)
- 7th Giro d'Italia (2009)
- 9th Tour de France (2006)
As well as a number of podium finishes in smaller stage races (such as Volta a Catalunya, Tour of Missouri, Sachsen Tour, and Eneco tour of Benelux), Junior (1996) and Senior (2009) National Time Trial Champion; World U-19 Team Pursuit and Points Race Champion (1997), Commonwealth Games Scratch Race Champion (1998), and triple Time Trial World Champion (2003-2005).

While Rogers is very unlikely to win a GT, he has much more fulfilled talent than Danielson has ever shown.

Okay, so: Like Danielson without the Eskimo dna dragging him down in the winter.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Every rider has been promised one team leadership role.

not everyone can be a leader. though i think they will share it around as much as possible

 

[mherm79]

Ok, this is probably for the Clinic, for a triple World TT Champ, Rogers' results in TT's in the major Tours or even major stage races leave a lot to be desired. I would of expected him to have had a lot more TT success.

Weird.

Not really, Rogers has put a lot of work into his climbing to meet his GC aspirations. As a result he has lost weight & power. Evan's has similarly dropped off in TT in my opinion since 2007 when he had no answers for Contador and Rasmusson on the climbs.

 

[Anonymous]

not everyone can be a leader. though i think they will share it around as much as possible

well thats what theyve been told apparently. Each rider will be leader for one race.. I dont know how thats gonna work but there you go.

Hendo, Sutton, EBH, Lofkvist have had a go already, its arguable who was leader in Besseges. Downing will get ireland assumedly, Wiggins the tour, Flecha, Pauwells, will get a classic. Barry one of the canadian races. Cioni the giro. Only leaves 14 more riders to make happy

But anyway... Mick Rogers..

 

[auscyclefan94]

Not really, Rogers has put a lot of work into his climbing to meet his GC aspirations. As a result he has lost weight & power. Evan's has similarly dropped off in TT in my opinion since 2007 when he had no answers for Contador and Rasmusson on the climbs.

It might be a bit of that but 09 and this years tours and in general in grand tours, time trial km's have dropped off. Not worth being awesome in the tt's if their are hardly any tt kms.

 

[mherm79]

It might be a bit of that but 09 and this years tours and in general in grand tours, time trial km's have dropped off. Not worth being awesome in the tt's if their are hardly any tt kms.

true. there's also no point placing high in a TT when you job is lead out Cav.

 

[craig1985]

It would be interesting to see what Columbia would do if they had Contador or Andy Schleck on their team, it would be stupid to make them do lead out, and they would be rubbish at it.

I think Columbia would be just as good if they had four or five riders doing the lead outs.

 

[Sasquatch]

Ok, this is probably for the Clinic, for a triple World TT Champ, Rogers' results in TT's in the major Tours or even major stage races leave a lot to be desired. I would of expected him to have had a lot more TT success.

Weird.

Rogers was touching the time trial bike a lot during the years he was dominate.

The last few years, he hasn't trained much on his TT bike. That explains his lack of TT. Plus he has dropped weight and worked to climb a bit better. Now he has at the weight he wants to be, he'll try and focus on the TT a bit more.

 

[mherm79]

they would still be good with 3 or 4 leading out, but Columbia's lead out train + Cav basically left the rest with no hope last year.

Obviously if they had AC or AS they would go for the GC too, but they don't. Mick isn't in their league so all the eggs are in the Cav basket. which is a fair enough strategy given all the wins they've clocked up

 

[Galic Ho]

How will Mick go at this years Tdf? Can he win a GT in the future? What does his future behold?

I just read you were Cadel Evans? Surely you don't want that evil man from Canberra to beat you?

On a serious note, why, oh why, did I see this thread starting. It is Mick Rogers. Do I need to repeat myself? Go back to the early naughties and the fancy medical programs and Mick may have transformed into something special, but unless something happens on the testing side of things, best he can hope for at the Tour is to crack 10th. His climbing and chrono are both suspect. Don't get me started on his crashes and illness.

Alright bloke, not going to podium in a GT unless half the competition fall of, Elvis returns and Wigans wins. Sarcasm aside, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Period.

 

[Galic Ho]

Go for it Dogger

He almost pulled off a TDF win and probably would have done it if that mechanic had glued his tyres on properly .
Go Mick he is a good alrounder he can get up in sprints as well at TT and climbe.

Even if he had stayed on his bike, Rasmussen would have dropped him later on that day. Tyres falling of the rims? That wouldn't be like the two slipped chains in the Monaco prologue last year would it? The excuses to save face? I'll be waiting for them this year as well. Nice guy, good team mate but lacking the goods to finish the fight in GT GC. Good all rounder, however human, unlike those Spaniards and Evans.

 

[Galic Ho]

Mick Rogers: Australia's answer to Tom Danielson.

So true! Lovin it. Priceless comparison.

 

[BroDeal]

Rogers was touching the time trial bike a lot during the years he was dominate.

Dominant? When was that?? He won WCs because others were caught and the worlds was seriously devalued after it was moved to a location on the calendar when all the GC guys have hung it up for the season. He has never been able to live up to his rep as a time trialist during a GT.

What is it with these Aussie GC hopefuls? Is there a playbook that says they should find a team with a top sprinter on it? Rogers should be begging Vaughters for a spot on Garmin. It is English speaking and has goals that match the goals he should have. You never know. He could be gluten intolerant.

 

[42x16ss]

Dominant? When was that?? He won WCs because others were caught and the worlds was seriously devalued after it was moved to a location on the calendar when all the GC guys have hung it up for the season. He has never been able to live up to his rep as a time trialist during a GT.

Valid point, but don't forget that Rogers was only 23 when he won his first TT WC and in 04 and 05 he still had to beat riders such as Vino, Cancellara, Julich, Kashechkin and Sebastian Lang - all pretty handy in TT's no?

The guy had hardly raced for nearly two years when he started last years Giro and still came 7th riding in Cav's train before he pulled out. Not too shabby.

Having said that, I kinda want to make a few comments about the Ferrari he had before he moved to T-Mobile but this thread isn't in the clinic.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Valid point, but don't forget that Rogers was only 23 when he won his first TT WC and in 04 and 05 he still had to beat riders such as Vino, Cancellara, Julich, Kashechkin and Sebastian Lang - all pretty handy in TT's no?

The guy had hardly raced for nearly two years when he started last years Giro and still came 7th riding in Cav's train before he pulled out. Not too shabby.

Having said that, I kinda want to make a few comments about the Ferrari he had before he moved to T-Mobile but this thread isn't in the clinic.

Cancellara and kasheckin was young at that time, julich was past his best and really Vino wasn't a great 1 day time trialist.

 

[42x16ss]

Cancellara and kasheckin was young at that time, julich was past his best and really Vino wasn't a great 1 day time trialist.

Kashechkin is only a few months younger, Cancellara about a year. Cancellara won the TdF prologue, Julich had finished top 5 in the second TdF TT in 04 and would do so again in 05.

From 03 to 05 Rogers was probably the best TTer in the world after Armstrong and those riders caught up in Op Puerto. To be that good at only 25 the buzz about him at the time was rather justified IMO.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Millar was the best ITTer in the world, along with Armstrong and Ullrich, before that.
He was never much talked of as winning a GT, though.

Rogers beat Ewe Peschal and Michael Rich (twice) to win his first 2 titles.
Is anybody going to class these riders as being as good as the pair above and as GT contenders?
Both had trouble getting over 3rd cats.

To win a GT, you need to be able to do more than a good ITT. (something which has eluded MR at the Tour, in anycase)

This thread is about the potential to win a GT and in that respect, the Tom Danielson leg pull comparison, isn't that far fetched, when viewing their respective palmares in GTs.

Rogers also had 2 very lean years, after 2005.

 

[Ferminal]

Dominant? When was that?? He won WCs because others were caught and the worlds was seriously devalued after it was moved to a location on the calendar when all the GC guys have hung it up for the season. He has never been able to live up to his rep as a time trialist during a GT.

What is it with these Aussie GC hopefuls? Is there a playbook that says they should find a team with a top sprinter on it? Rogers should be begging Vaughters for a spot on Garmin. It is English speaking and has goals that match the goals he should have. You never know. He could be gluten intolerant.

If you're not showing GC promise by the age of 25 it's probably hard to get a team to build itself around you?

 

[blackcat]

10th in 2006 Tour a lean year? When working for Kloden?

Showed lots of potential, when on the Freiburg transfusions. How many riders did the Operation Puerto pull from 2006? Basso, and Ullrich? Anyone who would have finished about Rogers?

 

[ak-zaaf]

How many riders did the Operation Puerto pull from 2006? Basso, and Ullrich? Anyone who would have finished about Rogers?

Mancebo, Vino, Contador...

 

[blackcat]

well, Contador was pretty mediocre the year before. Vino and Mancebo surely. I dont think Contador jumps into the top ten in 06. He was 35th in 2005, as a 22and1/2 year old.

I dont think he goes into the top 10.

Kreuziger and Andy Schleck have been much better earlier.