Mikel Landa Discussion Thread

[dpm1991]

Re:

I hope it's a good time to write something about him. Before the Giro i thought of him as a young Purito - a punchy climber who could do well in shorter ones, but was irregular on longer ones and had meh recovery and that he will be a better GC guy with age. This years Giro was a shocker for me. If he will keep up his work and be more professional in his approach (you cannot be on form only in May, this is 2015 not 1995 and with this guy's talent it would be a waste not to step up) then i see a bright future for him.

About him on the bike I cannot tell much. He seems to be pretty fine to me. I dunno what was his role in the pre-Mortirolo attack. but i doubt that he was the one who decided to attack Contador's mechanical. I might only cheer that he will be more active on bike than Purito (Giro & maybe Vuelta '12).

His posture on bike doesn't bother me, at least for now. What i'm concerned about is his personality. I find his character quite suspicious. It's fine with me that he's a pretty honest person, but i'm not sure about his anger management. He seems to me a lil' bit harsh and i hope that he won't end up like Nibali - a complete douchebag.

His idol is Iban Mayo, I always like him but now I really have to cher for him.

And that's a catastrophy. Iban Mayo is as good idol as Riccardo Ricco. I only hope that he will adjust himself and won't end and won't behave like him. i would prefer someone like Ninja or Pozzovivo as an idol than Mayo. Even Purito would be a fine for him, only be more active on bike. Iban Mayo was great on the bike, but a patented idiot off the bike. At least it's good that he doesn't have a love crush on Armstrong.

I tried to present my opinion as unbiased as i can only be. That's just my view on him for now.

 

[Taxus4a]

Well, Mayo is idol os Landa as Mayo was for me, he was the idol of all the basque country and lot of people all over the world,... but now he is not his idol. Think that from the town of Landa and the town of Mayo there is about 30 Km...bith are climbers, basques,...

Today Mayo is for me and for him ( I am sure) the example to dont follow, and now that I follow him in facebook more...

i was talking with Landa in burgos, i didnt talk about Mayo nor similar things, just about the Giro.. I see he hopes to improve in TT, but what i see him is that I dont wangt he changes, I dont midn if he is not always in the GC, or if he lost big time in an ITT, I mind that when he is inspired he destroy the race in a hard climb.

He is a similar rider to Quintana, I have explain lot of times, but Quintana is better and better in TT,

He is not a rider for short races or short stages or short climb, all the contrary, he likes long climbs.

When Landa did second in Puy and 5th in San Sebastian is like if he is the best in Mortirolo or Aprica, becouse is not his place.

Landa talk very little, he is quite shy, but when I told him he could have put 2 or 3 minutes in Aprica to Contador if he attack in Mortirolo he wanst any surprised.

Landa is very confident, if he believe that in a race he can do it really well, he feel ok and things go well, he is able of anything.

 

[Taxus4a]

Mistake...

 

[dpm1991]

Re:

Well, Mayo is idol os Landa as Mayo was for me, he was the idol of all the basque country and lot of people all over the world,... but now he is not his idol. Think that from the town of Landa and the town of Mayo there is about 30 Km...bith are climbers, basques,...

Today Mayo is for me and for him ( I am sure) the example to dont follow, and now that I follow him in facebook more...

i was talking with Landa in burgos, i didnt talk about Mayo nor similar things, just about the Giro.. I see he hopes to improve in TT, but what i see him is that I dont wangt he changes, I dont midn if he is not always in the GC, or if he lost big time in an ITT, I mind that when he is inspired he destroy the race in a hard climb.

He is a similar rider to Quintana, I have explain lot of times, but Quintana is better and better in TT,

He is not a rider for short races or short stages or short climb, all the contrary, he likes long climbs.

When Landa did second in Puy and 5th in San Sebastian is like if he is the best in Mortirolo or Aprica, becouse is not his place.

Landa talk very little, he is quite shy, but when I told him he could have put 2 or 3 minutes in Aprica to Contador if he attack in Mortirolo he wanst any surprised.

Landa is very confident, if he believe that in a race he can do it really well, he feel ok and things go well, he is able of anything.

I'm not sure what did you just wrote. It looks like some modern american "rapper" (they don't rap anymore, it's just a one big hook) wrote it. I know that you have a personal contact with Mikel. Please, make sure that he will always stay tranquilo with himself, other people and life as a whole and won't end as another Nibali. About his TT, i have nothing against his TT form. Stepping up his TT to Quintana level would be of course lovely, but i have no problem with him as he is right now. Only i think more elasticism would be better. The world is not only about Giro - take note of Andy's career. Heh, i find him slightly more similar to Andy Schleck than Quintana.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Well, Mayo is idol os Landa as Mayo was for me, he was the idol of all the basque country and lot of people all over the world,... but now he is not his idol. Think that from the town of Landa and the town of Mayo there is about 30 Km...bith are climbers, basques,...

Today Mayo is for me and for him ( I am sure) the example to dont follow, and now that I follow him in facebook more...

i was talking with Landa in burgos, i didnt talk about Mayo nor similar things, just about the Giro.. I see he hopes to improve in TT, but what i see him is that I dont wangt he changes, I dont midn if he is not always in the GC, or if he lost big time in an ITT, I mind that when he is inspired he destroy the race in a hard climb.

He is a similar rider to Quintana, I have explain lot of times, but Quintana is better and better in TT,

He is not a rider for short races or short stages or short climb, all the contrary, he likes long climbs.

When Landa did second in Puy and 5th in San Sebastian is like if he is the best in Mortirolo or Aprica, becouse is not his place.

Landa talk very little, he is quite shy, but when I told him he could have put 2 or 3 minutes in Aprica to Contador if he attack in Mortirolo he wanst any surprised.

Landa is very confident, if he believe that in a race he can do it really well, he feel ok and things go well, he is able of anything.

I'm not sure what did you just wrote. It looks like some modern american "rapper" (they don't rap anymore, it's just a one big hook) wrote it. I know that you have a personal contact with Mikel. Please, make sure that he will always stay tranquilo with himself, other people and life as a whole and won't end as another Nibali. About his TT, i have nothing against his TT form. Stepping up his TT to Quintana level would be of course lovely, but i have no problem with him as he is right now. Only i think more elasticism would be better. The world is not only about Giro - take note of Andy's career. Heh, i find him slightly more similar to Andy Schleck than Quintana.

Landa is not similar to Andy, very different, and I just talk about quality.

Andy,. conspirative thing appart, needed a lot od races and time training to perform. it is amazing how quickñly landa is in form... he had lot of crashs in his first years, and people that didnt follow didnt realized about those things, but he was sometime before a crash in top form after 6 month without races.

He is a quite man, he is not worried about things too much, he is ambitious, but if the team says he is not the leader, he is not the leader. He has not malice.

He is one more of those amazing generation of climbers: Quintana, Pinot, Aru, Chaves, Bardet, Dombroski and himself. And he is close to the level of Quintana, climbing, in ITT is he far from Quintana today, but I think he can improve.

Landa has not problem with the team, but I think he dont like too much some things of Astana, as well I think he dont suit very well the robotic way of SKY, but... anyway for sure if is SKY finally the team will help him a lot in several aspect, as I think they have helped Nieve, but for Nieve as well than for Landa, SKY is not the team you imagine them... they are rider for epic, for instint, not for calculate, in that way Vino is more that way, but I belive more in the honestity of SKY than in VIno, and that is important, at least I think for Landa is important, but it is just my opinion knowing how is Landa, I have never talk with him about that.

He is a very normal guy that likes normal thinks, but he is really talented for really hard stages.

 

[dpm1991]

In this Vuelta he propably won't show much, but he will be a key gregario for Aru. I will wait another year to evaluate his real climbing skills. I have too small sample to work with - one tour is to small for me, two are sufficient. Then I would have enough data to estimate his GT abilities.

 

[Angliru]

Re: Re:

I hope it's a good time to write something about him. Before the Giro i thought of him as a young Purito - a punchy climber who could do well in shorter ones, but was irregular on longer ones and had meh recovery and that he will be a better GC guy with age. This years Giro was a shocker for me. If he will keep up his work and be more professional in his approach (you cannot be on form only in May, this is 2015 not 1995 and with this guy's talent it would be a waste not to step up) then i see a bright future for him.

About him on the bike I cannot tell much. He seems to be pretty fine to me. I dunno what was his role in the pre-Mortirolo attack. but i doubt that he was the one who decided to attack Contador's mechanical. I might only cheer that he will be more active on bike than Purito (Giro & maybe Vuelta '12).

His posture on bike doesn't bother me, at least for now. What i'm concerned about is his personality. I find his character quite suspicious. It's fine with me that he's a pretty honest person, but i'm not sure about his anger management. He seems to me a lil' bit harsh and i hope that he won't end up like Nibali - a complete douchebag.

His idol is Iban Mayo, I always like him but now I really have to cher for him.

And that's a catastrophy. Iban Mayo is as good idol as Riccardo Ricco. I only hope that he will adjust himself and won't end and won't behave like him. i would prefer someone like Ninja or Pozzovivo as an idol than Mayo. Even Purito would be a fine for him, only be more active on bike. Iban Mayo was great on the bike, but a patented idiot off the bike. At least it's good that he doesn't have a love crush on Armstrong.

I tried to present my opinion as unbiased as i can only be. That's just my view on him for now.

How you conclude that Mayo is comparable to Ricco is totally beyond me. He is a Basque rider and his idol is one of the great Basque rider's of the relatively recent past. His past has no comparison to that of Ricco.

 

[dpm1991]

Re: Re:

I hope it's a good time to write something about him. Before the Giro i thought of him as a young Purito - a punchy climber who could do well in shorter ones, but was irregular on longer ones and had meh recovery and that he will be a better GC guy with age. This years Giro was a shocker for me. If he will keep up his work and be more professional in his approach (you cannot be on form only in May, this is 2015 not 1995 and with this guy's talent it would be a waste not to step up) then i see a bright future for him.

About him on the bike I cannot tell much. He seems to be pretty fine to me. I dunno what was his role in the pre-Mortirolo attack. but i doubt that he was the one who decided to attack Contador's mechanical. I might only cheer that he will be more active on bike than Purito (Giro & maybe Vuelta '12).

His posture on bike doesn't bother me, at least for now. What i'm concerned about is his personality. I find his character quite suspicious. It's fine with me that he's a pretty honest person, but i'm not sure about his anger management. He seems to me a lil' bit harsh and i hope that he won't end up like Nibali - a complete douchebag.

His idol is Iban Mayo, I always like him but now I really have to cher for him.

And that's a catastrophy. Iban Mayo is as good idol as Riccardo Ricco. I only hope that he will adjust himself and won't end and won't behave like him. i would prefer someone like Ninja or Pozzovivo as an idol than Mayo. Even Purito would be a fine for him, only be more active on bike. Iban Mayo was great on the bike, but a patented idiot off the bike. At least it's good that he doesn't have a love crush on Armstrong.

I tried to present my opinion as unbiased as i can only be. That's just my view on him for now.

How you conclude that Mayo is comparable to Ricco is totally beyond me. He is a Basque rider and his idol is one of the great Basque rider's of the relatively recent past. His past has no comparison to that of Ricco.

I don't care about nationality or riding style of Iban Mayo. I do care about his personality and being a role model (off the bike) for an aspiring, talented cyclists of next generations. In my eyes Iban Mayo is as good role model as Riccardo Ricco, that's why I made the comparision. If I would be a cyclist I would prefer post 2011 Contador to be my role model - on and off the bike (but not impersonificate him of course). I hope that everything is clear right now.

EDIT:
Taking anybody as a role model is a very dangerous establishment so scratch the Contador part. Interestingly I remember Iban Mayo as a pretty dodgy guy who sometimes behaved like a primadonna. Recommending him as a role model would be like giving up a rook for a pawn or two, but I think I've taken too far with comparising him to Ricco. Ricco is like willingly giving up a queen for nothing.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Cant really blame a Basque climber for idolizing Mayo at some points during 2002-2004. He was absolute dynamite. Off course he did that. I bet Antón, Nieve and all the other former guys at Euskaltel did that as well if they were into watching cycling. Or even if they werent, they did anyways.

On Landa: He wasnt really good at Burgos, so I expected him to lose more than 3 seconds the other day to Aru who was blasting it in Poland. Landa will probably just follow wheels again in Alpujarra and the following days until Andorra. On those kinda stages, he is the better rider than Aru. Would be surprised to see Aru higher up that Landa on that one. Lets also remember that Nibali is gone so he has gone from 3rd string not-in-shape in Burgos to losing 3 seconds to Aru who arguably is the more explosive rider. Thats a pretty good few first days for Landa, selfishly, of course. Lets wait till Alpujarra which definetely will show a bit more, Cumbres Verdes to some extent as well, but its still kinda up in the air until the real mountains where Landa just seems like the better, more natural climber than Aru (and most of the peloton apart from Quintana, frankly).

Vamos Landa!

 

[Angliru]

I don't recall Mayo being a primadonna. I recall that his performances would fluctuate from great to bad but that would fall more under the category of stereotypical fragile pure climber not the attention junky, flamboyant, self-destructive personna of Ricco. Mayo had his highs (2003 Tour, 2004 Dauphine, a podium at LBL) and many lows but I just don't remember the personality that is being described here.

 

[May0maniac]

Re:

Cant really blame a Basque climber for idolizing Mayo at some points during 2002-2004. He was absolute dynamite. Off course he did that. I bet Antón, Nieve and all the other former guys at Euskaltel did that as well if they were into watching cycling. Or even if they werent, they did anyways.

On Landa: He wasnt really good at Burgos, so I expected him to lose more than 3 seconds the other day to Aru who was blasting it in Poland. Landa will probably just follow wheels again in Alpujarra and the following days until Andorra. On those kinda stages, he is the better rider than Aru. Would be surprised to see Aru higher up that Landa on that one. Lets also remember that Nibali is gone so he has gone from 3rd string not-in-shape in Burgos to losing 3 seconds to Aru who arguably is the more explosive rider. Thats a pretty good few first days for Landa, selfishly, of course. Lets wait till Alpujarra which definetely will show a bit more, Cumbres Verdes to some extent as well, but its still kinda up in the air until the real mountains where Landa just seems like the better, more natural climber than Aru (and most of the peloton apart from Quintana, frankly).

Vamos Landa!

Apparently Aru crashed pretty hard on stage 2, maybe he's still feeling the crash.
How can you blame a basque rider that was born in 1989 for having Mayo as his idol when he was growing up, nearly everyone of our generation that fell in love with this wonderful sport at some point had an idol that turned out to be seriously flawed.

 

[MatParker117]

If the reports are true looking forward to seeing what he can do with the Skytrain at his disposal.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

Cant really blame a Basque climber for idolizing Mayo at some points during 2002-2004. He was absolute dynamite. Off course he did that. I bet Antón, Nieve and all the other former guys at Euskaltel did that as well if they were into watching cycling. Or even if they werent, they did anyways.

On Landa: He wasnt really good at Burgos, so I expected him to lose more than 3 seconds the other day to Aru who was blasting it in Poland. Landa will probably just follow wheels again in Alpujarra and the following days until Andorra. On those kinda stages, he is the better rider than Aru. Would be surprised to see Aru higher up that Landa on that one. Lets also remember that Nibali is gone so he has gone from 3rd string not-in-shape in Burgos to losing 3 seconds to Aru who arguably is the more explosive rider. Thats a pretty good few first days for Landa, selfishly, of course. Lets wait till Alpujarra which definetely will show a bit more, Cumbres Verdes to some extent as well, but its still kinda up in the air until the real mountains where Landa just seems like the better, more natural climber than Aru (and most of the peloton apart from Quintana, frankly).

Vamos Landa!

Apparently Aru crashed pretty hard on stage 2, maybe he's still feeling the crash.
How can you blame a basque rider that was born in 1989 for having Mayo as his idol when he was growing up, nearly everyone of our generation that fell in love with this wonderful sport at some point had an idol that turned out to be seriously flawed.

Well, that was my point exactly about Mayo which I made to the poster above.

 

[May0maniac]

Re: Re:

Cant really blame a Basque climber for idolizing Mayo at some points during 2002-2004. He was absolute dynamite. Off course he did that. I bet Antón, Nieve and all the other former guys at Euskaltel did that as well if they were into watching cycling. Or even if they werent, they did anyways.

On Landa: He wasnt really good at Burgos, so I expected him to lose more than 3 seconds the other day to Aru who was blasting it in Poland. Landa will probably just follow wheels again in Alpujarra and the following days until Andorra. On those kinda stages, he is the better rider than Aru. Would be surprised to see Aru higher up that Landa on that one. Lets also remember that Nibali is gone so he has gone from 3rd string not-in-shape in Burgos to losing 3 seconds to Aru who arguably is the more explosive rider. Thats a pretty good few first days for Landa, selfishly, of course. Lets wait till Alpujarra which definetely will show a bit more, Cumbres Verdes to some extent as well, but its still kinda up in the air until the real mountains where Landa just seems like the better, more natural climber than Aru (and most of the peloton apart from Quintana, frankly).

Vamos Landa!

Apparently Aru crashed pretty hard on stage 2, maybe he's still feeling the crash.
How can you blame a basque rider that was born in 1989 for having Mayo as his idol when he was growing up, nearly everyone of our generation that fell in love with this wonderful sport at some point had an idol that turned out to be seriously flawed.

Well, that was my point exactly about Mayo which I made to the poster above.

I probably should have replied to dpm1991. Yes, Landa seems to be a real climber that loves long, hard stages with many difficult climbs.

 

[roundabout]

I see that the mythologizing of Landa as a great natural high mountain climber has started.

One look at his career, both at U23 and as a pro pre Astana would be enough to tell that this characterization is plainly false.

 

[Taxus4a]

I see that the mythologizing of Landa as a great natural high mountain climber has started.

One look at his career, both at U23 and as a pro pre Astana would be enough to tell that this characterization is plainly false.

sometimesto see that is wrong,all the people that rode with him in amateur thinks another think.. although I know a lot of ex riders that tell me : i beated Landa several times... but,, he is really talented climbing, sometimes he copuld show that as pro and sometime not.

 

[KyoGrey]

I see that the mythologizing of Landa as a great natural high mountain climber has started.

One look at his career, both at U23 and as a pro pre Astana would be enough to tell that this characterization is plainly false.

No, no, no, no, Mikel Landa was a super coveted prospect in the amateur ranks in Spain, having won multiple Elite/U23 races at only age 18-19 (Gorla amongst them, a typical proof of a good climber).

He passed to pros at 19-20 years old in 2010. In 2011, he was destroying the field in Lagunas de Neila.
Up to this moment, his career was of a star in the making.

The problem is that he never exploded. Years 2012, 2013, 2014 passed with only flashes of the class he displayed in 2009-2011.

Ironically, in 2015, when everybody was giving up on the kid...he buries Contador and Aru in the Giro. Surely, his evolution has been very strange, but to say that he was a nobody in amateurs is untrue.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Cant really blame a Basque climber for idolizing Mayo at some points during 2002-2004. He was absolute dynamite. Off course he did that. I bet Antón, Nieve and all the other former guys at Euskaltel did that as well if they were into watching cycling. Or even if they werent, they did anyways.

On Landa: He wasnt really good at Burgos, so I expected him to lose more than 3 seconds the other day to Aru who was blasting it in Poland. Landa will probably just follow wheels again in Alpujarra and the following days until Andorra. On those kinda stages, he is the better rider than Aru. Would be surprised to see Aru higher up that Landa on that one. Lets also remember that Nibali is gone so he has gone from 3rd string not-in-shape in Burgos to losing 3 seconds to Aru who arguably is the more explosive rider. Thats a pretty good few first days for Landa, selfishly, of course. Lets wait till Alpujarra which definetely will show a bit more, Cumbres Verdes to some extent as well, but its still kinda up in the air until the real mountains where Landa just seems like the better, more natural climber than Aru (and most of the peloton apart from Quintana, frankly).

Vamos Landa!

Apparently Aru crashed pretty hard on stage 2, maybe he's still feeling the crash.
How can you blame a basque rider that was born in 1989 for having Mayo as his idol when he was growing up, nearly everyone of our generation that fell in love with this wonderful sport at some point had an idol that turned out to be seriously flawed.

Where have you read that?

I think he didnt crash. Landa was afected as well by the crash and both of them had to catch the main group later.

About Mayo and Landa, he ha just said he was the rider he followed when he was a kid, as most of basque people and no basque people all over the world, no more, he is not his idol properly, he aid similar words about Chava, he didnt see him race, but he put videos of him when he train at home, he has not say any opinion about today thought of him.

And he said this about Contador in an interview:

—¿Cómo es Contador en carrera?

—Intimida. Llevo cuatro o cinco años en el pelotón y sé cómo corre. Siempre ha sido un ciclista al que he admirado por su forma de disputar las carreras. Es increíble estar a su rueda. Pero creo que puedo darme el lujo de intentarlo, probar y equivocarme, ya que no tengo nada que perder.

(he has admire his way to dispute races)

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

Cant really blame a Basque climber for idolizing Mayo at some points during 2002-2004. He was absolute dynamite. Off course he did that. I bet Antón, Nieve and all the other former guys at Euskaltel did that as well if they were into watching cycling. Or even if they werent, they did anyways.

On Landa: He wasnt really good at Burgos, so I expected him to lose more than 3 seconds the other day to Aru who was blasting it in Poland. Landa will probably just follow wheels again in Alpujarra and the following days until Andorra. On those kinda stages, he is the better rider than Aru. Would be surprised to see Aru higher up that Landa on that one. Lets also remember that Nibali is gone so he has gone from 3rd string not-in-shape in Burgos to losing 3 seconds to Aru who arguably is the more explosive rider. Thats a pretty good few first days for Landa, selfishly, of course. Lets wait till Alpujarra which definetely will show a bit more, Cumbres Verdes to some extent as well, but its still kinda up in the air until the real mountains where Landa just seems like the better, more natural climber than Aru (and most of the peloton apart from Quintana, frankly).

Vamos Landa!

Apparently Aru crashed pretty hard on stage 2, maybe he's still feeling the crash.
How can you blame a basque rider that was born in 1989 for having Mayo as his idol when he was growing up, nearly everyone of our generation that fell in love with this wonderful sport at some point had an idol that turned out to be seriously flawed.

Where have you read that?

I think he didnt crash. Landa was afected as well by the crash and both of them had to catch the main group later.

About Mayo and Landa, he ha just said he was the rider he followed when he was a kid, as most of basque people and no basque people all over the world, no more, he is not his idol properly, he aid similar words about Chava, he didnt see him race, but he put videos of him when he train at home, he has not say any opinion about today thought of him.

And he said this about Contador in an interview:

—¿Cómo es Contador en carrera?

—Intimida. Llevo cuatro o cinco años en el pelotón y sé cómo corre. Siempre ha sido un ciclista al que he admirado por su forma de disputar las carreras. Es increíble estar a su rueda. Pero creo que puedo darme el lujo de intentarlo, probar y equivocarme, ya que no tengo nada que perder.

(he has admire his way to dispute races)

Is it physically possible for you not to mention Contador ?

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Cant really blame a Basque climber for idolizing Mayo at some points during 2002-2004. He was absolute dynamite. Off course he did that. I bet Antón, Nieve and all the other former guys at Euskaltel did that as well if they were into watching cycling. Or even if they werent, they did anyways.

On Landa: He wasnt really good at Burgos, so I expected him to lose more than 3 seconds the other day to Aru who was blasting it in Poland. Landa will probably just follow wheels again in Alpujarra and the following days until Andorra. On those kinda stages, he is the better rider than Aru. Would be surprised to see Aru higher up that Landa on that one. Lets also remember that Nibali is gone so he has gone from 3rd string not-in-shape in Burgos to losing 3 seconds to Aru who arguably is the more explosive rider. Thats a pretty good few first days for Landa, selfishly, of course. Lets wait till Alpujarra which definetely will show a bit more, Cumbres Verdes to some extent as well, but its still kinda up in the air until the real mountains where Landa just seems like the better, more natural climber than Aru (and most of the peloton apart from Quintana, frankly).

Vamos Landa!

Apparently Aru crashed pretty hard on stage 2, maybe he's still feeling the crash.
How can you blame a basque rider that was born in 1989 for having Mayo as his idol when he was growing up, nearly everyone of our generation that fell in love with this wonderful sport at some point had an idol that turned out to be seriously flawed.

Where have you read that?

I think he didnt crash. Landa was afected as well by the crash and both of them had to catch the main group later.

About Mayo and Landa, he ha just said he was the rider he followed when he was a kid, as most of basque people and no basque people all over the world, no more, he is not his idol properly, he aid similar words about Chava, he didnt see him race, but he put videos of him when he train at home, he has not say any opinion about today thought of him.

And he said this about Contador in an interview:

—¿Cómo es Contador en carrera?

—Intimida. Llevo cuatro o cinco años en el pelotón y sé cómo corre. Siempre ha sido un ciclista al que he admirado por su forma de disputar las carreras. Es increíble estar a su rueda. Pero creo que puedo darme el lujo de intentarlo, probar y equivocarme, ya que no tengo nada que perder.

(he has admire his way to dispute races)

Is it physically possible for you not to mention Contador ?

For me?? look I treath, is full of mesages, that woill be the problem of another. i mention contador lot of times becouse is a reference in the last years of cycling acording to result and ometimes of performance, and I menction Froome becouse is the best now for GT.

I use to mention the riders in wich I can contribute, becoue i thuink people is wrong, or becouse i have follow more.., if i am agree is not neceary i give my point...but I have talked about most of the riders.

And.. you are nobody to tell me about who i must mention or who not...I dont talk in that way to you, so, dont talk in that way to me, ok??

 

[BigMac]

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[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

Is it physically possible for you not to mention Contador ?[/quote]

For me?? look I treath, is full of mesages, that woill be the problem of another. i mention contador lot of times becouse is a reference in the last years of cycling acording to result and ometimes of performance, and I menction Froome becouse is the best now for GT.

I use to mention the riders in wich I can contribute, becoue i thuink people is wrong, or becouse i have follow more.., if i am agree is not neceary i give my point...but I have talked about most of the riders.

And.. you are nobody to tell me about who i must mention or who not...I dont talk in that way to you, so, dont talk in that way to me, ok??[/quote]

You did it , well done

 

[jens_attacks]

he will crush them

i hope to see the spirit of the best iban mayo in him. aupa mikeeeel

 

[roundabout]

I see that the mythologizing of Landa as a great natural high mountain climber has started.

One look at his career, both at U23 and as a pro pre Astana would be enough to tell that this characterization is plainly false.

No, no, no, no, Mikel Landa was a super coveted prospect in the amateur ranks in Spain, having won multiple Elite/U23 races at only age 18-19 (Gorla amongst them, a typical proof of a good climber).

He passed to pros at 19-20 years old in 2010. In 2011, he was destroying the field in Lagunas de Neila.
Up to this moment, his career was of a star in the making.

The problem is that he never exploded. Years 2012, 2013, 2014 passed with only flashes of the class he displayed in 2009-2011.

Ironically, in 2015, when everybody was giving up on the kid...he buries Contador and Aru in the Giro. Surely, his evolution has been very strange, but to say that he was a nobody in amateurs is untrue.

I was actually thinking of his races in 2010. Even Avenir which was by far his best performance this year was while good, not quite at "wow, look at that guy" level.

And Isard and Circuito Montanes were rather average to put it mildly.

 

[Taxus4a]

I see that the mythologizing of Landa as a great natural high mountain climber has started.

One look at his career, both at U23 and as a pro pre Astana would be enough to tell that this characterization is plainly false.

No, no, no, no, Mikel Landa was a super coveted prospect in the amateur ranks in Spain, having won multiple Elite/U23 races at only age 18-19 (Gorla amongst them, a typical proof of a good climber).

He passed to pros at 19-20 years old in 2010. In 2011, he was destroying the field in Lagunas de Neila.
Up to this moment, his career was of a star in the making.

The problem is that he never exploded. Years 2012, 2013, 2014 passed with only flashes of the class he displayed in 2009-2011.

Ironically, in 2015, when everybody was giving up on the kid...he buries Contador and Aru in the Giro. Surely, his evolution has been very strange, but to say that he was a nobody in amateurs is untrue.

I was actually thinking of his races in 2010. Even Avenir which was by far his best performance this year was while good, not quite at "wow, look at that guy" level.

And Isard and Circuito Montanes were rather average to put it mildly.

if you didnt see those races and followed him day by day how you say that, acording just to results?
That is never enough to evaluate.
Anyway Landa is a rider that get in sshape very quickly, but not always perform at his best.

Landa was studing 3 and a half years in Burgos in the University as well.
As well cycling in the last years is getting cleaner, and out of the WT is with things changedn less.

If you see his 2009 he got always good result...it is not necesary to get the good result of Dombroski or Aru to say someone is good. Other way woul be always very eay to predict who is going to be a champion: you get very good result with 20 years and with 25 you will be one of the best.

Youdont get veey good result with 20 and you cant be a real champion.

That is very wrong, and more in an era of changes in cycling as we show last years.

Do you think this is a bad result?

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=19388

Talansky is one year older than Landa.