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Peters DNF I can understand but Zandio and Lopez are a little harder to take. And Boswell looks far from a super-dom on the basis of Trentino, even if he has showed good work before.HelloDolly said:same happened to Contador last year in the Giro ...but Tinkoff had some good riders riding at Giro and SKY had Deignan, Boswell & Moscon at Trentino (with 3 riders DNF on stage 4 so only Knees also left)DNP-Old said:Well, as good as Landa's looked this Trentino, his team has been complete jackshit. It amazed me how quickly Landa was isolated throughout this race.
If SKY don't send Kiry & Puccio then they will have to send Stannard & Rowe...makes sense as all 4 cannot ride the TourJRanton said:When you have the race lead, of course there is. Boswell and particularly Lopez were the big disappointments from what I could see. I wouldn't be against Moscon replacing either of those two, even as a neo-pro.HelloDolly said:same happened to Contador last year in the Giro ...but Tinkoff had some good riders riding at Giro and SKY had Deignan, Boswell & Moscon at Trentino (with 3 riders DNF on stage 4 so only Knees also left)DNP-Old said:Well, as good as Landa's looked this Trentino, his team has been complete jackshit. It amazed me how quickly Landa was isolated throughout this race.
but instead of rubbishing the riders maybe tactics need to be considered If you make these riders ride on the front from Kilometer 0 as happened in Trentino and for Tinkoff last year then you are bound to have no one left esp if you only had 4 to begin with
Is there a need to ride at the front all day every day from Kilometer 0
Deignan was a bright spot though. He only started his season as Coppi Bartali so there's a good chance his form is only going to get better. He was pretty impressive in the two grand tours he rode for Sky in 2014 so he can be a solid guy for Landa.
One thing I don't get is why both Puccio and Kiryienka apparently aren't riding the Giro. Perhaps Kiryienka preferred riding the Tour as prep for the Olympics TT but those two guys can do a lot of good work for a leader in a grand tour. Heck, on his day Kiri can even be a beast in the high mountains.
Red Rick said:Checked the Giro parcours again. Its different for him than I thought at first. The medium mountain stages shouldn't be that much of a problem. The high mountains are where he really needs one or 2 guys. Being isolated on the Agnel, Giau, or Bonette could really harm his chances if he doesn't win minutes at a time in the mountains.
That was a problem, but the main fact is that mainly for crashes and other problems he couldnt have continuity. But anyway he got some good results those years.KyoGrey said:Landa has been followed closely as the new big hope for the Basque/Spanish peloton for nearly a decade. He was a talent in amateur, in his first years as a pro and this past 2 years are the confirmation.
The strange thing is not that he is so good now, the strange thing is why he had such a big dip in his last years of Euskaltel. Or maybe it isn't so strange taking into consideration how badly the team was managed before it disappeared.
Yes, Landa would seem like the best bet for Sky at this point. He has been very good on hills and have proved to be relatively explosive actuallyTaxus4a said:That was a problem, but the main fact is that mainly for crashes and other problems he couldnt have continuity. But anyway he got some good results those years.KyoGrey said:Landa has been followed closely as the new big hope for the Basque/Spanish peloton for nearly a decade. He was a talent in amateur, in his first years as a pro and this past 2 years are the confirmation.
The strange thing is not that he is so good now, the strange thing is why he had such a big dip in his last years of Euskaltel. Or maybe it isn't so strange taking into consideration how badly the team was managed before it disappeared.
I would like to see him at Lieje.
That was a problem, but the main fact is that mainly for crashes and other problems he couldnt have continuity. But anyway he got some good results those years.KyoGrey said:Landa has been followed closely as the new big hope for the Basque/Spanish peloton for nearly a decade. He was a talent in amateur, in his first years as a pro and this past 2 years are the confirmation.
The strange thing is not that he is so good now, the strange thing is why he had such a big dip in his last years of Euskaltel. Or maybe it isn't so strange taking into consideration how badly the team was managed before it disappeared.
What do you think of him at ITT of Chianti?Taxus4a said:That was a problem, but the main fact is that mainly for crashes and other problems he couldnt have continuity. But anyway he got some good results those years.KyoGrey said:Landa has been followed closely as the new big hope for the Basque/Spanish peloton for nearly a decade. He was a talent in amateur, in his first years as a pro and this past 2 years are the confirmation.
The strange thing is not that he is so good now, the strange thing is why he had such a big dip in his last years of Euskaltel. Or maybe it isn't so strange taking into consideration how badly the team was managed before it disappeared.
I would like to see him at Lieje, but...
Wait, he was at 8Valv.Piti said:The Giro-odds have changed drastically. Landa is now at 3,25 compared to an odds fluctuating between 7 and 8 earlier. Nibali's has risen a bit, not much. Valverde is relatively steady at 5,50. These odds are super comparable to the Tour's where Nibali is Froome, Landa is Quintana and Valverde Contador.
Wish I had seen this coming, but oh well!
I actually dont think it was 8 but close (is probably was somewhere, some time) due to illness, Nibali and route. Illness gone and a perfect buildup, Nibali struggling = odds skydiveRed Rick said:Wait, he was at 8Valv.Piti said:The Giro-odds have changed drastically. Landa is now at 3,25 compared to an odds fluctuating between 7 and 8 earlier. Nibali's has risen a bit, not much. Valverde is relatively steady at 5,50. These odds are super comparable to the Tour's where Nibali is Froome, Landa is Quintana and Valverde Contador.
Wish I had seen this coming, but oh well!![]()
I wouldn't read to much into dom dnf on final stageTMP402 said:Peters DNF I can understand but Zandio and Lopez are a little harder to take. And Boswell looks far from a super-dom on the basis of Trentino, even if he has showed good work before.HelloDolly said:same happened to Contador last year in the Giro ...but Tinkoff had some good riders riding at Giro and SKY had Deignan, Boswell & Moscon at Trentino (with 3 riders DNF on stage 4 so only Knees also left)DNP-Old said:Well, as good as Landa's looked this Trentino, his team has been complete jackshit. It amazed me how quickly Landa was isolated throughout this race.
I agree, Landa needs the few very tough mountain stages to not get cancelled if he is to win this Giro.Red Rick said:I just wouldn't expect a Sky team leader to mess up his peak for a GT.
Anyway, much depends on Nibali, and the weather, and his team. Expect him to crack Valverde at some point honestly. I hope for Landa that none of the big mountain stages will get cancelled.
If Nibali isn't strong enough they should use Birdsong for a long range attack to put pressure on Landa, a classic Danish mountain raid.staubsauger said:Valverde's tt is far from being consequently good as well and Fuglsang ain't strong enough in the mountains. Zakarin is the wildcard of course if he's strong enough over 3 weeks to do a Berzin.
As long as Nibali ain't no top favorite anymore - Yes, he's still a contender so far, Landa's tt might be pretty irrelevant as long as he ain't gonna lose 4-5 minutes on Valverde, Fuglsang & Zakarin which is highly unlikely.
Bala is pretty good in TTs, maybe only slightly worse than Nibali. I reckon over the course of the two flat/rolling TTs he can put 3 minutes into Landa if he's very good in both.staubsauger said:Valverde's tt is far from being consequently good as well and Fuglsang ain't strong enough in the mountains. Zakarin is the wildcard of course if he's strong enough over 3 weeks to do a Berzin.
As long as Nibali ain't no top favorite anymore - Yes, he's still a contender so far, Landa's tt might be pretty irrelevant as long as he ain't gonna lose 4-5 minutes on Valverde, Fuglsang & Zakarin which is highly unlikely.