Mikel Landa Discussion Thread

[ray j willings]

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You Landa dream boys have no idea about cycle racing. Get on your bikes and start riding a bike up a mountain then comment. .

hahaha, you instead were a pro.who do you think you are ? for sure,not a pro for respect of the opinions of others.

anyway, we'll see. Maybe Landa is only a super domestique, maybe not. It will be the way of the Giro to say that and at the moment it is a little early to make easy conclusions

I'm someone whos go's out 5 /6 times a week and rides my bike. I am someone who has rode lots of the famous col's in a pretty fast time. My opinion is way more valid than a fat armchair critic who has no idea about the level between the best and the rest.

To Hayabusa , Because I have a different opinion does not make me a troll. Get over yourself.
Lets see when Landa hits the mountains and loses more time.
Want to bet a jersey? I say he will be at least 2 minutes behind the giro winner?
I'm prepared to back up my words are you?

Wrong and fallacious way to go. But not game over yet! Insert coin and try again.

I'm not wrong and Landa will be at least 2 minutes behind the winner.
Game was over soon as the race started.
Landa is 2nd rate climber like Porte. He's Sky cannon fodder.

Your opinions are very odd and are never backed up by any evidence, or even common sense. Explain how he is a "2nd rate climber." Did you watch any of the races he has raced in in the past year or so?[/quote]

Yes of course . But the he is not a top tier climber . Today he was lucky to get back on. He cannot go with the attacks of top riders.
Bertie , Quintana , Froome these are the elite riders . Landa is 2nd rate in comparison. He will never win a GT, he is not good enough and strong enough over 3 weeks just like LRP. Like I said cannon fodder for Sky.
Once we hit the big mountains he will lose big time.
Look at last years Giro when Bertie chased down Landa /Aru -Astana . If that was Froome or Quintana or Valverde I doubt Bertie could have got back on.
If it had been Landa instead of Bertie could you imagine the damage Bertie would could have done.

Like I said he will be at least 2 maybe 3 minutes of the pink jersey when this race has finished.
He's a donkey

 

[lenric]

You're really sounding like a Contador fanboy drone now. That's scary.
Last year in Mortirolo, like in every other stage from that Giro, Landa had to drag Aru over the mountain, who was weak. That's why Contador could get back on them. Landa, after some time, attacked and Contador could not follow.

You improved your argumentation a little bit, but it's still fallacious and with a poor logic. But it's not game over yet! Insert coin to play again.

 

[hfer07]

Landa did really good today coming back to the Nibali/valverde/Chavito/Uran/Kruijswijk/Zaka group. Lets see how he manages tomorrow's ITT, but so far he's going to be fine in the coming stages.

 

[AlexNYC]

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Yes of course . But the he is not a top tier climber . Today he was lucky to get back on. He cannot go with the attacks of top riders.
Bertie , Quintana , Froome these are the elite riders . Landa is 2nd rate in comparison. He will never win a GT, he is not good enough and strong enough over 3 weeks just like LRP. Like I said cannon fodder for Sky.
Once we hit the big mountains he will lose big time.
Look at last years Giro when Bertie chased down Landa /Aru -Astana . If that was Froome or Quintana or Valverde I doubt Bertie could have got back on.
If it had been Landa instead of Bertie could you imagine the damage Bertie would could have done.

Like I said he will be at least 2 maybe 3 minutes of the pink jersey when this race has finished.
He's a donkey

Well, none of the riders you mentioned are here as I'm sure you've noticed As of today, Landa is in the top 10, very close to all the other favorites. Unless he collapses tomorrow, I'd say he is going to be the favorite going into the high mountains. It's not a sure thing that he'll climb at the same level as last year, since he is known to be somewhat inconcistent; but if he's even close, he'll put minutes into the likes of Valverde and Nibali, and that makes him extremely dangerous.

 

[Mr.White]

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Yes of course . But the he is not a top tier climber . Today he was lucky to get back on. He cannot go with the attacks of top riders.
Bertie , Quintana , Froome these are the elite riders . Landa is 2nd rate in comparison. He will never win a GT, he is not good enough and strong enough over 3 weeks just like LRP. Like I said cannon fodder for Sky.
Once we hit the big mountains he will lose big time.
Look at last years Giro when Bertie chased down Landa /Aru -Astana . If that was Froome or Quintana or Valverde I doubt Bertie could have got back on.
If it had been Landa instead of Bertie could you imagine the damage Bertie would could have done.

Like I said he will be at least 2 maybe 3 minutes of the pink jersey when this race has finished.
He's a donkey

Well, none of the riders you mentioned are here as I'm sure you've noticed As of today, Landa is in the top 10, very close to all the other favorites. Unless he collapses tomorrow, I'd say he is going to be the favorite going into the high mountains. It's not a sure thing that he'll climb at the same level as last year, since he is known to be somewhat inconcistent; but if he's even close, he'll put minutes into the likes of Valverde and Nibali, and that makes him extremely dangerous.

That's a bold statement! You're talking about a GT winners here, it's not easy to outclimb those guys.Good luck with that!

 

[TMP402]

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Don't worry, Ray has made some predictions about Landa before and they all turned out to be true.

I just don't see Landa a Sky rider. If he can win he will, earpiece out and off he go's.
If he rides with Froome its going to be fireworks.

Do think he will ride with Froome too often, Landa can lead Giro/Vuelta with a good team behind him with Froome doing the Tour.

I'm not so sure. I think they got him for super dom duties for Froome in the tour. I think the Giro and Vuelta will be decided on the road. DB has been talking up Thomas. They only focus on the Tour. I don't see anything changing.

 

[AlexNYC]

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Yes of course . But the he is not a top tier climber . Today he was lucky to get back on. He cannot go with the attacks of top riders.
Bertie , Quintana , Froome these are the elite riders . Landa is 2nd rate in comparison. He will never win a GT, he is not good enough and strong enough over 3 weeks just like LRP. Like I said cannon fodder for Sky.
Once we hit the big mountains he will lose big time.
Look at last years Giro when Bertie chased down Landa /Aru -Astana . If that was Froome or Quintana or Valverde I doubt Bertie could have got back on.
If it had been Landa instead of Bertie could you imagine the damage Bertie would could have done.

Like I said he will be at least 2 maybe 3 minutes of the pink jersey when this race has finished.
He's a donkey

Well, none of the riders you mentioned are here as I'm sure you've noticed As of today, Landa is in the top 10, very close to all the other favorites. Unless he collapses tomorrow, I'd say he is going to be the favorite going into the high mountains. It's not a sure thing that he'll climb at the same level as last year, since he is known to be somewhat inconcistent; but if he's even close, he'll put minutes into the likes of Valverde and Nibali, and that makes him extremely dangerous.

That's a bold statement! You're talking about a GT winners here, it's not easy to outclimb those guys.Good luck with that!

It's not as bold as you think. Only if he is close to his climbing level during last year's Giro. If he is, yes, I don't think Valverde or current shape Nibali could stay with him.

 

[Ataraxus]

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Yes of course . But the he is not a top tier climber . Today he was lucky to get back on. He cannot go with the attacks of top riders.
Bertie , Quintana , Froome these are the elite riders . Landa is 2nd rate in comparison. He will never win a GT, he is not good enough and strong enough over 3 weeks just like LRP. Like I said cannon fodder for Sky.
Once we hit the big mountains he will lose big time.
Look at last years Giro when Bertie chased down Landa /Aru -Astana . If that was Froome or Quintana or Valverde I doubt Bertie could have got back on.
If it had been Landa instead of Bertie could you imagine the damage Bertie would could have done.

Like I said he will be at least 2 maybe 3 minutes of the pink jersey when this race has finished.
He's a donkey

Well, none of the riders you mentioned are here as I'm sure you've noticed As of today, Landa is in the top 10, very close to all the other favorites. Unless he collapses tomorrow, I'd say he is going to be the favorite going into the high mountains. It's not a sure thing that he'll climb at the same level as last year, since he is known to be somewhat inconcistent; but if he's even close, he'll put minutes into the likes of Valverde and Nibali, and that makes him extremely dangerous.

That's a bold statement! You're talking about a GT winners here, it's not easy to outclimb those guys.Good luck with that!

In the end it is easier to outclimb those guys than Contador isn't it

 

[Taxus4a]

Landa did really good today coming back to the Nibali/valverde/Chavito/Uran/Kruijswijk/Zaka group. Lets see how he manages tomorrow's ITT, but so far he's going to be fine in the coming stages.

I agree, he was very strong today for this kind of stage...

Tomorrow I am not sure... He said ot i hilly, so it is best for him, but in previouss years he has lot 6 and 7 mionutes in this kinf od stages, more than last year, 4 minutes, in a more long ITT.

The point is that in those gentle climbs if you are 10 % worse than the other in 5 Km, you lose much more than in 5 Km flat if you are 10 % worse.

 

[Ataraxus]

Landa did really good today coming back to the Nibali/valverde/Chavito/Uran/Kruijswijk/Zaka group. Lets see how he manages tomorrow's ITT, but so far he's going to be fine in the coming stages.

I agree, he was very strong today for this kind of stage...

Tomorrow I am not sure... He said ot i hilly, so it is best for him, but in previouss years he has lot 6 and 7 mionutes in this kinf od stages, more than last year, 4 minutes, in a more long ITT.

The point is that in those gentle climbs if you are 10 % worse than the other in 5 Km, you lose much more than in 5 Km flat if you are 10 % worse.

An oversimplified analysis:
If he lost 4:00 to Contador (presumably the best Contador of 2015) in a 59 km ITT, he probably won't lose more than 2:40 to this Nibali and Valverde in a 40Km ITT.

 

[Irondan]

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Yes of course . But the he is not a top tier climber . Today he was lucky to get back on. He cannot go with the attacks of top riders.
Bertie , Quintana , Froome these are the elite riders . Landa is 2nd rate in comparison. He will never win a GT, he is not good enough and strong enough over 3 weeks just like LRP. Like I said cannon fodder for Sky.
Once we hit the big mountains he will lose big time.
Look at last years Giro when Bertie chased down Landa /Aru -Astana . If that was Froome or Quintana or Valverde I doubt Bertie could have got back on.
If it had been Landa instead of Bertie could you imagine the damage Bertie would could have done.

Like I said he will be at least 2 maybe 3 minutes of the pink jersey when this race has finished.
He's a donkey

Well, none of the riders you mentioned are here as I'm sure you've noticed As of today, Landa is in the top 10, very close to all the other favorites. Unless he collapses tomorrow, I'd say he is going to be the favorite going into the high mountains. It's not a sure thing that he'll climb at the same level as last year, since he is known to be somewhat inconcistent; but if he's even close, he'll put minutes into the likes of Valverde and Nibali, and that makes him extremely dangerous.

That's a bold statement! You're talking about a GT winners here, it's not easy to outclimb those guys.Good luck with that!

Agreed.

What context are you using to make a statement that suggests Landa is or ever was in a class above Nibali and Bala? We're talking multiple time GT champions vs. the 2016 Giro deal Trentino winner.

There's nothing to suggest that Mikal Landa will put minutes into Nibs and Bala.

Landa's a great climber, let's see how he does in the third week before we make such grand proclamations...

 

[therealthing]

Wow, he is currently going to gain time on Majka, Uran, Chaves, Pozzovivo and is going to lose hardly anything to Valverde + Nibali. Incredibly good today.

 

[Matteo.]

Someone call ray j, if he's not going bike as he does every day .
Landa did something extraordinary today , one of the most impressive results that I remember

 

[Arredondo]

He's going to win this Giro with + 2 minutes.

Imagine his climbing form on Giau and Bonnette with even better legs then today!

 

[Forever The Best]

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He's going to win this Giro with + 2 minutes.

Imagine his climbing form on Giau and Bonnette with even better legs then today!

Nothing is gonna happen on Bonette.

 

[DBotero]

Great TT.Now let's see if he can improve on the climbing department.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Landa could now become the next Contador.

 

[staubsauger]

Why become Contador if you're already Landani!?

 

[Gigs_98]

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Someone call ray j, if he's not going bike as he does every day .
Landa did something extraordinary today , one of the most impressive results that I remember

This

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Landa could now become the next Contador.

What does that even mean

 

[KyoGrey]

I just hope he still attacks on Passo Giau.

Maybe in the team hotel they should put him some videos of the past year race to remain him why he must beat and preferably humillate Astaná and Vinokourov.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Yes of course . But the he is not a top tier climber . Today he was lucky to get back on. He cannot go with the attacks of top riders.
Bertie , Quintana , Froome these are the elite riders . Landa is 2nd rate in comparison. He will never win a GT, he is not good enough and strong enough over 3 weeks just like LRP. Like I said cannon fodder for Sky.
Once we hit the big mountains he will lose big time.
Look at last years Giro when Bertie chased down Landa /Aru -Astana . If that was Froome or Quintana or Valverde I doubt Bertie could have got back on.
If it had been Landa instead of Bertie could you imagine the damage Bertie would could have done.

Like I said he will be at least 2 maybe 3 minutes of the pink jersey when this race has finished.
He's a donkey

Well, none of the riders you mentioned are here as I'm sure you've noticed As of today, Landa is in the top 10, very close to all the other favorites. Unless he collapses tomorrow, I'd say he is going to be the favorite going into the high mountains. It's not a sure thing that he'll climb at the same level as last year, since he is known to be somewhat inconcistent; but if he's even close, he'll put minutes into the likes of Valverde and Nibali, and that makes him extremely dangerous.

That's a bold statement! You're talking about a GT winners here, it's not easy to outclimb those guys.Good luck with that!

Agreed.

What context are you using to make a statement that suggests Landa is or ever was in a class above Nibali and Bala? We're talking multiple time GT champions vs. the 2016 Giro deal Trentino winner.

There's nothing to suggest that Mikal Landa will put minutes into Nibs and Bala.

Landa's a great climber, let's see how he does in the third week before we make such grand proclamations...

Landa will destroy people, crush their dreams and make the greatest show on earth in the high mountains.

Aupa LANDA

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Landa could now become the next Contador.

What does that even mean

It means that he thinks that Landa may win 7 GTs, its pretty simple really. Not that I agree.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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Landa could now become the next Contador.

What does that even mean

It means that he thinks that Landa may win 7 GTs, its pretty simple really. Not that I agree.

Not necessarily, it means I think Landa could become the next "big boss" of the peloton,

 

[Forever The Best]

I just hope he still attacks on Passo Giau.

Maybe in the team hotel they should put him some videos of the past year race to remain him why he must beat and preferably humillate Astaná and Vinokourov.

Meh.Landa can afford waiting and waiting and just gain time in the MTT and Risoul to win this race.