Milan - San Remo 2018

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Whi will win 2018 Milan - San Remo?

  • Peter Sagan

    Votes: 56 40.9%
  • Michal Kwiatkowski

    Votes: 13 9.5%
  • Alexander Kristoff

    Votes: 11 8.0%
  • Elia Viviani

    Votes: 12 8.8%
  • Arnaud Démare

    Votes: 7 5.1%
  • Philippe Gilbert

    Votes: 5 3.6%
  • Greg Van Avermaet

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dylan Groenewegen

    Votes: 6 4.4%
  • John Degenkolb

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 26 19.0%

  • Total voters
    137
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Irondan said:
davebqvst said:
ClassicomanoLuigi said:
Is there any word on Cavendish ? My live-stream of MSR ended without any update on his condition.
He had a lapse of concentration or something, boxed in, realized too late, huge endo crash and airborne over that plastic road bollard. The peloton was going about 40km/h or more, it was bad
Hard to judge from the split-second I saw but looked like Cavendish landed flat on his back
from the DimensionData Twitter:
"@MarkCavendish is currently being assessed by a medical team. More information will be provided when available."
I was just on their feed and did not see that tweet...
Here's a link to the tweet
 
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Irondan said:
davebqvst said:
ClassicomanoLuigi said:
Is there any word on Cavendish ? My live-stream of MSR ended without any update on his condition.
He had a lapse of concentration or something, boxed in, realized too late, huge endo crash and airborne over that plastic road bollard. The peloton was going about 40km/h or more, it was bad
Hard to judge from the split-second I saw but looked like Cavendish landed flat on his back
from the DimensionData Twitter:
"@MarkCavendish is currently being assessed by a medical team. More information will be provided when available."
I was just on their feed and did not see that tweet...
https://twitter.com/TeamDiData/status/975050752610709504?s=20
 
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davebqvst said:
Irondan said:
davebqvst said:
ClassicomanoLuigi said:
Is there any word on Cavendish ? My live-stream of MSR ended without any update on his condition.
He had a lapse of concentration or something, boxed in, realized too late, huge endo crash and airborne over that plastic road bollard. The peloton was going about 40km/h or more, it was bad
Hard to judge from the split-second I saw but looked like Cavendish landed flat on his back
from the DimensionData Twitter:
"@MarkCavendish is currently being assessed by a medical team. More information will be provided when available."
I was just on their feed and did not see that tweet...
Here's a link to the tweet
Thank you!
 
And to think about those stories from the past about beefing up the finale with Pompeiana, with a not-so-hidden purpose of increasing Nibalis chance to win the race. :lol:

Nibali is an absolute legend and this is one of his most memorable wins for sure. Yet, ironically, it doesn't mean that the race itself was particularily good - after all, the finale started very late, even for MSR standards.

Cavs crash was eerily similar to that of Kangert in the Giro last year. Lets hope his injuries are not too severe.
 
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Salvarani said:
Hugo Koblet said:
More Strides than Rides said:
Don't understand people saying Sagan was riding defensively, only thinking about Kwiatkoski.

This is a physical test. He got beat. Nibali moved faster than Oss, for longer. Sagan couldn't make it up either, when he tried. Trentin rode Sagan off his wheel. Sagan just didn't have it.

This wasn't about Sagan's decision making, and anyone who isn't bringing respect for the very physical reality that is racing.
Sagan probably should have (and could have) gone with Nibali when he attacked. Instead Sagan tried halfheartedly and undecided later and again on the descend. He then stopped chasing when he saw Kwiatkowski was in his wheel. Sagan certainly screwed up today. Either attack or wait for the sprint, the other options that he chose didn't make sense and in the end probably cost him unnecessary energy for the sprint.

Sometimes you make the right decision. Sometimes you dont. You can only say after the race what you should have done and which is very easy to do.

Nibali got a bigger gap then they probably expected and the sprinters and their teams reacted too late. It happens. Great ride by Nibali.
But everyone could have told sagan, stop chasing, when Nibali was in front. Even if they had caught nibali there is no way sagan could have won after that effort. I'm super happy about todays result but as a sagan fan you have to be disappointed since this isn't even the first time he has made this mistake.
 
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Hugo Koblet said:
More Strides than Rides said:
Don't understand people saying Sagan was riding defensively, only thinking about Kwiatkoski.

This is a physical test. He got beat. Nibali moved faster than Oss, for longer. Sagan couldn't make it up either, when he tried. Trentin rode Sagan off his wheel. Sagan just didn't have it.

This wasn't about Sagan's decision making, and anyone who isn't bringing respect for the very physical reality that is racing.
Sagan probably should have (and could have) gone with Nibali when he attacked. Instead Sagan tried halfheartedly and undecided later and again on the descend. He then stopped chasing when he saw Kwiatkowski was in his wheel. Sagan certainly screwed up today. Either attack or wait for the sprint, the other options that he chose didn't make sense and in the end probably cost him unnecessary energy for the sprint.

I'll have to wait for a replay and watch the attack again, but my intuition says Sagan would have gone if he could have. And while I don't remember seeing him jump at all; sometimes you just see an acceleration that you know is beyond your capability. And Nibali's attack was just that.

On the chase, attacking out to bridge solo isn't just a button to push and you go away. And grinding on the front of the group is really hard too. No where in the race did Sagan show he had the fitness to do either of those things. I point to Trentin's move as evidence to that. He rode Sagan off his wheel, as I remember it. That doesn't happen to someone who could have but chose not to. It happens to a rider who knows what he should be doing, but can't.

If you still want to say racing is about decision making and not the watts on the bike, then at least agree, that today, Sagan's legs made the decision for him.
 
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krakenKE said:
Valv.Piti said:
Sagan failing again, getting slightly overrated at this point

Nibali, what a campione!

He is still 3 times world champion, is he? Please rate his classic campaign after Roubaix or maybe even after AGR if he rides it not after 1st big classic of the year which we all know is a complete lottery.
Two of those wins came in bunch sprints, not any different from Cav's win. And everyone hyping him like he can ride everyone off his wheel.
 
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yaco said:
Geraint Too Fast said:
So Trentin's chasse patate probably cost his team the win?
And what were Sagan and Sky doing?

A strange race, but a deserving winner.

What - Trentin had good legs and attacking gave his team two options - Thought it was perfect tactics.
Yep, also Trentin was at least co-leader - he was never going to be on domestique duties at that point in the race. He didn't leave Quickstep to join a team where he has to work for a unproven classics rider in one of the biggest Italian races, and one which suits his own characteristics well.
 
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Incredible Nibali !!

When i looked at the startlist, i thought that it was a mistake for him to participate since i thought he had NO chance to win, he proved me wrong, i'm happy :)
 
franic said:
Gigs_98 said:
Only just saw that Nibali rode into a mobile phone which was held over the barrier. If he had crashed there that would have been one of the most outrageous stories in cycling history
When exactly?
I think that was already inside the final kilometer. Someone was trying to make a picture and the phone hit Nibali. He even tried to avoid the collision with a movement which looked weird to me during the race cause I didn't see the phone, but they showed that scene again in slow mo after the race where you could clearly see what was happening.
 
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Vroome.exe said:
krakenKE said:
Valv.Piti said:
Sagan failing again, getting slightly overrated at this point

Nibali, what a campione!

He is still 3 times world champion, is he? Please rate his classic campaign after Roubaix or maybe even after AGR if he rides it not after 1st big classic of the year which we all know is a complete lottery.
Two of those wins came in bunch sprints, not any different from Cav's win. And everyone hyping him like he can ride everyone off his wheel.
To be fair, he can ride everyone off his wheel. His physical characteristics are not the problem at all - he's one of the best cyclists you will ever seen in terms of power profiles. The problem is that he's tactically useless.
 
There's no need to hate on Sagan. Yes, he made a bad decision, but it wasn't going to be a victory this year anyway. He didn't have the legs to attack like Nibali or else he would have and he wasn't going to beat Ewan in that sprint.
 
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Vroome.exe said:
krakenKE said:
Valv.Piti said:
Sagan failing again, getting slightly overrated at this point

Nibali, what a campione!

He is still 3 times world champion, is he? Please rate his classic campaign after Roubaix or maybe even after AGR if he rides it not after 1st big classic of the year which we all know is a complete lottery.
Two of those wins came in bunch sprints, not any different from Cav's win. And everyone hyping him like he can ride everyone off his wheel.

He did this in Richmond and in 2016 Flanders and he almost did this last year so I don't see a reason he can't do it again. Of course you can't do it anytime his fans wish.
 
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DFA123 said:
yaco said:
Geraint Too Fast said:
So Trentin's chasse patate probably cost his team the win?
And what were Sagan and Sky doing?

A strange race, but a deserving winner.

What - Trentin had good legs and attacking gave his team two options - Thought it was perfect tactics.
Yep, also Trentin was at least co-leader - he was never going to be on domestique duties at that point in the race. He didn't leave Quickstep to join a team where he has to work for a unproven classics rider in one of the biggest Italian races, and one which suits his own characteristics well.

Exactly - The point is if Trentin could have bridged over to Nibali he wins in a sprint, while Ewan can follow the wheels of Quick Step and FDJ.
 
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DFA123 said:
Vroome.exe said:
krakenKE said:
Valv.Piti said:
Sagan failing again, getting slightly overrated at this point

Nibali, what a campione!

He is still 3 times world champion, is he? Please rate his classic campaign after Roubaix or maybe even after AGR if he rides it not after 1st big classic of the year which we all know is a complete lottery.
Two of those wins came in bunch sprints, not any different from Cav's win. And everyone hyping him like he can ride everyone off his wheel.
To be fair, he can ride everyone off his wheel. His physical characteristics are not the problem at all - he's one of the best cyclists you will ever seen in terms of power profiles. The problem is that he's tactically useless.

The problem for Sagan is that he can both win by attacking and by sprinting, but he can't do both in the same race.

And you might win the sprint if you're on 95% shape, but you can't make the difference on the Poggio on 95%, and that's where all the punchers failed.

Nibali rode it like a true climber. Don't wait for the one 8% pitch at 300m from the top but go from far out.