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Mrs John Murphy said:
That report doesn't even mention Millar. And seeing as Piepoli wasn't sanctioned for that particular incident, giving the benefit of the doubt seems to be the sensible thing to do in retrospect.
I see you have about 800 posts. I bet you can't find a single one where you've ever said anything positive about an active cyclist.
GotDropped said:
Interesting quote. I wish it applied to the IOC and how they determine 'who gets the Olympics'.....espcially this part, "the Olympic Spirit which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play - Olympic Spirit".
Just read GJ similar response...much more eliquent!
Funny how we continue to hold the athletes to super high standards, yet the people running the sports continue to bend the rules to their liking...
Mrs John Murphy said:
My thoughts too. 'Farcical' indeed. Millar defending successful dopers and looking down on caught dopers. STFU, please.
Who else.. dear david. no sooner he was back from being suspended - he was doping again. who actually develops a mystery allergy to the sun, and now somehow its cured? gotta have some crap excuse for turning yellow dont you???GotDropped said:
mwbyrd said:
Eliquent? Hipocritcal more like it. GJ acuses other posters of attacking the strawman when he himself uses the same tactics to get his point across (just like you right now). I don't give a F about how they determine "who gets the Olympics" for this argument. If you want, open another thread and talk about that there. I just don't want to see cheaters like David Millar let back into the Olympics. I think the rule change is a great idea. But that's just my opinion.
danjo007 said:
Ok, when did he dope when he came back from being busted? I'm not saying he didn't, or defending him in any way, but do you have proof?
mwbyrd said:
Great point, the IOC "bend the rules" so the athletes should be able to dope and cheat as much as they like.
he has already has the badge and.......
Millar went to Sydney. He did not do much of a ride and was criticised for his attitude in the camp, treating it a one big long party. I cannot find a link but something about he was not going to be selected again with an attitude like that, was the drift. Of course by the time he was selected for 2004, he was "born again" (for the first time) and renounced his "party boy" image of years before.
He wants to go there again ! I never seem to be able to make enough allowance for the depths of his cynicism for what he no doubt sees as "punters". At a boy Dave. Keen to tell the World of 2004 that after them nasty police had visited, he had lots of calls of support, especially from his bestest mate Lance. Don't worry boys the Om**** is safe with me. We got the message Dave.
Millar went to Sydney. He did not do much of a ride and was criticised for his attitude in the camp, treating it a one big long party. I cannot find a link but something about he was not going to be selected again with an attitude like that, was the drift. Of course by the time he was selected for 2004, he was "born again" (for the first time) and renounced his "party boy" image of years before.
He wants to go there again ! I never seem to be able to make enough allowance for the depths of his cynicism for what he no doubt sees as "punters". At a boy Dave. Keen to tell the World of 2004 that after them nasty police had visited, he had lots of calls of support, especially from his bestest mate Lance. Don't worry boys the Om**** is safe with me. We got the message Dave.
Mrs John Murphy said:
why?
cos he was on gear himself.
remember the interview with Times journalist Kimmage, when Vino was popped during the middle of the Tour, and he expressed surprise, and said he was his favorite cyclist.
Only surprised insofar as something showed up in his sample.
Guy is a liar and a fraud.
This shouldn't be news, but I have to thank the Clinic regulars for putting together the links in this thread. Pretty valuable stuff. My interest in and memory of the Millar story were fairly minor, and I assumed he could possibly really be clean (unlike most), since he had so few results of note after returning to the fold.
But man, that quote about Bertie yesterday really took the cake. I might've just assumed before that he was a spectacularly stupid man -- I believe he's been known for that for some time. But now seeing that he has said stunning -- just stunning -- things about supporting Vino, and supporting Piepoli, and castigating Flandis...
Where before I would've thought him a simpleton; a stupid tosser, now I watch and read his little act, and I think -- this man is actually evil.
Still shilling Armstrong?! (with the obvious parallel he wants to be drawn from his support of 'consistent=clean' Pistolero) STILL?!! OMG, dude..
Keep burning it down, Floyd.
But man, that quote about Bertie yesterday really took the cake. I might've just assumed before that he was a spectacularly stupid man -- I believe he's been known for that for some time. But now seeing that he has said stunning -- just stunning -- things about supporting Vino, and supporting Piepoli, and castigating Flandis...
Where before I would've thought him a simpleton; a stupid tosser, now I watch and read his little act, and I think -- this man is actually evil.
Still shilling Armstrong?! (with the obvious parallel he wants to be drawn from his support of 'consistent=clean' Pistolero) STILL?!! OMG, dude..
Keep burning it down, Floyd.
Originally Posted by GotDropped View Post
Don't insult my intelligence in regards to the straw man fallacy when you tried similar tactics in your response in regards to the Olympics not being about winning. You're right, you have no-where to go, the Olympics is all about fair play, something that a doper/ex doper/self admitted cheat shouldn't be a part of. Something he admitted to ONLY after getting caught red handed.
**or maybe he should have said the EPO was for his dog... or grandmother.
Hold your horses there mate... what you have quoted has been taken completely out of context. I'll let you re-read and retract before I say any more on the subject.
Don't insult my intelligence in regards to the straw man fallacy when you tried similar tactics in your response in regards to the Olympics not being about winning. You're right, you have no-where to go, the Olympics is all about fair play, something that a doper/ex doper/self admitted cheat shouldn't be a part of. Something he admitted to ONLY after getting caught red handed.
**or maybe he should have said the EPO was for his dog... or grandmother.
El Pistolero said:
Hold your horses there mate... what you have quoted has been taken completely out of context. I'll let you re-read and retract before I say any more on the subject.
Publicus said:
You're being deliberately difficult, Publicus, right?
If a rider is consistently bad then yes (IMO anyway), it probably is proof that they aren't doping. I agree with you, it's not conclusive proof. However, it is at least proof that they are consistently bad at doping or need a better doping regimen/product.
Millar said that AC being consistently extra terrestrial was proof of his cleanliness, when it is more likely just proof that his doping has been consistently good.
I might have read Millar's book as I think his various blogs have been well written, but his statements on AC have made me think again. There have been too many fairy story cycling books over the last decade, I could do without another one.
hrotha said:
That's interesting because it goes to show how shallow Millar's anti-doping is. If he were as anti-doping as he says he is, why didn't he blow the whistle?
As Blackcat says - Millar is fraud.
Mambo95 said:
of course he spat in the soup and told the authorities about Riccó and Riccó got banned and the peloton turned on Millar.......or that is how it should have been.
On the tread 'Moron of the Month' we discussed Millar's cowardice and lack of moral fibre. I haven't read anything in the last 24 hours to change my opinion of him. He truly is a prize idiot.
I'm embarrassed to come from the same country as him. To see him wearing the Great Britain Olympic team kit that graced the shoulders of Redgrave, Brasher, Mary Peters, Coe, Ovett, Hoy and the like - that would be too much. Glad the BOA has stuck to its stance.
I heard the stories about him in Sydney 2000 too. He admits he was an a**ehole back then but doesn't seem to realise he's still one now. Those comments about Contador? Just jaw-dropping.
I'm embarrassed to come from the same country as him. To see him wearing the Great Britain Olympic team kit that graced the shoulders of Redgrave, Brasher, Mary Peters, Coe, Ovett, Hoy and the like - that would be too much. Glad the BOA has stuck to its stance.
I heard the stories about him in Sydney 2000 too. He admits he was an a**ehole back then but doesn't seem to realise he's still one now. Those comments about Contador? Just jaw-dropping.
Mrs John Murphy said:
The hero and villain labels seem to get applied so arbitrarily in cycling, and the players begin to believe their own made-up stories. Millar probably believes he is some anti-doping crusader. I don’t know how else you could explain the stupid things he has said. I guess he has to believe his own lie in order to believe in Armstrong’s …. Or in Contador’s.
I mean, what is the REAL difference between someone like Ricco and Vino ? How is one a hero and one a villain? Very similar (drug-enabled) attacking styles if you watch them. But Millar chooses to apply the arbitrary labels....and now he is part owner of the Garmin team. We are then supposed to believe in the "clean team" ?
Maybe because Matxín had no problem with the UCI and is the DS of a top team to this day?Mambo95 said:
hrotha said:
The same team that failed to get a ProTour licence and was excluded from the Tour despite having two GT winners? They're hardly rolling out the red carpet.
Markyboyzx6r said:
Not sure that I would be totally confident of everyone in that list of names!
Mostly because of Gianetti, who is even worse, not only in doping-related matters. And anyway, if Millar had been a true whistleblower they would have been done for, none of these "ASO doesn't like us but hey we're still a top team" shenanigans.Mambo95 said:
If he actually tipped off the relevant authorities regarding Riccò but didn't say anything about the rest of the team, that doesn't mean he was a crusader for clean cycling, that just means Riccò is a jerk and everyone singles him out because they hate him.
hrotha said:
Again, how would you know what did or did not go on? All you've seen connecting Millar and Ricco is a single sentence.
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