Millar whinging on doping ban for Olympics!

[andy1234]

Yet another thread "whinging" about a pro rider...

There are definately a few haters of the sport on here. Pretend its passion or concern if you like, but I'm not buying it.

 

[Deagol]

Yet another thread "whinging" about a pro rider...

There are definately a few haters of the sport on here. Pretend its passion or concern if you like, but I'm not buying it.

“hating” a rider (aka hating corruption, cheating, etc) is about the opposite of “hating the sport”. But, you knew that, didn’t you?

 

[hrotha]

Again, how would you know what did or did not go on? All you've seen connecting Millar and Ricco is a single sentence.

I don't know what went on. I'm talking about the hypothesis as presented: that Millar saw what was happening at Saunier Duval, that nothing suggests he did anything about it, and that he's presenting himself as an antidoping crusader and criticizing others for not doing enough.

Yet another thread "whinging" about a pro rider...

There are definately a few haters of the sport on here. Pretend its passion or concern if you like, but I'm not buying it.

Millar is not "the sport". No rider is.

 

[131313]

This whole thing just confirms my "Moron of the Day" thread, but I think I need to expand it to "Moron of the Month". And guess what, a guy with a reasonable amount of education and an ability to string a few semi-coherent sentences together can still have pretty impaired cognitive function. This clown is a prime example.

That said, his "I don't know if Lance doped or not" comments jump the shark from stupid to downright insulting. Are we supposed to forget that his own director has admitted to everyone but the media that he was doping with Lance, and that several of his teammates are ex-postal guys? Seriously?? From all of his comments, he's a doping apologist of the highest order. I find it particularly ironic that he's so quick to point out "how far we've come", then call for the FDA's investigation to be the final word on the Lance issue. Newsflash: if the system were really working, we wouldn't be relying on government agencies to catch dopers.

Wearing big, stupid glasses doesn't make someone smart.

 

[andy1234]

“hating” a rider (aka hating corruption, cheating, etc) is about the opposite of “hating the sport”. But, you knew that, didn’t you?

if it was one rider, or a handful of riders I could see your point.

As it is, almost no rider is spared the "hate"

 

[Deagol]

if it was one rider, or a handful of riders I could see your point.

As it is, almost no rider is spared the "hate"

The "hate" isn't really hate, it's calling them out on their BS-and Millar is full of it.
It's the right thing to do.
I actualy really do love the sport, by the way. The sport, ie not just the competitive aspect.

 

[andy1234]

The "hate" isn't really hate, it's calling them out on their BS-and Millar is full of it.
It's the right thing to do.
I actualy really do love the sport, by the way. The sport, ie not just the competitive aspect.

Im calling out the posters on here for their BS.
It's the right thing to do.

Professional sport has little to do with cycling, the past-time.
Its not healthy, it's not fair, It's just a vehicle to make money and advertise product. It has NEVER been any different, It hasn't "gone bad"

So for the posters who don't seem to like ANY or the people whose job it is to provide this entertainment, but claim to love the sport...

I'm calling BS.

 

[hrotha]

Im calling out the posters on here for their BS.
It's the right thing to do.

Professional sport has little to do with cycling, the past-time.
Its not healthy, it's not fair, It's just a vehicle to make money and advertise product. It has NEVER been any different, It hasn't "gone bad"

So for the posters who don't seem to like ANY or the people whose job it is to provide this entertainment, but claim to love the sport...

I'm calling BS.

Professional sport being dirty doesn't naturally lead to pretending professional sport is clean, much less to taking professional sport fans for idiots and portraying yourself as a paladin of cleanliness. That's the BS.

 

[andy1234]

Professional sport being dirty doesn't naturally lead to pretending professional sport is clean, much less to taking professional sport fans for idiots and portraying yourself as a paladin of cleanliness. That's the BS.

Nobody can win.

Riders that are non comittal when commenting on doping - must be doping, otherwise why would they act that way?

Riders that have a strong anti doping stance - must be lying and are obviously doping.

Now that is BS.

 

[Deagol]

Im calling out the posters on here for their BS.
It's the right thing to do.

Professional sport has little to do with cycling, the past-time.
Its not healthy, it's not fair, It's just a vehicle to make money and advertise product. It has NEVER been any different, It hasn't "gone bad"

So for the posters who don't seem to like ANY or the people whose job it is to provide this entertainment, but claim to love the sport...

I'm calling BS.

OK, I'll bite:

I like Zabriskie, but doubt he was clean during USPS or CSC (might be now?)
He is an entertaining guy, not an idiot like Millar, not a bully like Lance, more of a Spicoli-type charachter.


I like Voeckler- seems to be clean (hopefully).

 

[Benotti69]

Yet another thread "whinging" about a pro rider...

There are definately a few haters of the sport on here. Pretend its passion or concern if you like, but I'm not buying it.

i doubt there are any haters of the sport on here. there definitely people who couldn't care a toss about the sport and hate certain riders for their own ends.

if it was one rider, or a handful of riders I could see your point.

As it is, almost no rider is spared the "hate"

almost no rider? i think there are the usual suspects that crop up, but as you see the sport as entertainment that was never any different and hasn't 'gone bad' then you must think they all dope as part of that entertainment as they always have.

Im calling out the posters on here for their BS.
It's the right thing to do.

Professional sport has little to do with cycling, the past-time.
Its not healthy, it's not fair, It's just a vehicle to make money and advertise product. It has NEVER been any different, It hasn't "gone bad"

So for the posters who don't seem to like ANY or the people whose job it is to provide this entertainment, but claim to love the sport...

I'm calling BS.

How about calling out riders for their BS, guys like Millar or do you not do that as a lover of the entertainment?

Nobody can win.

Riders that are non comittal when commenting on doping - must be doping, otherwise why would they act that way?

Riders that have a strong anti doping stance - must be lying and are obviously doping.

Now that is BS.

the comments from a rider can speak volumes about how they are viewed in the clinic.

Millar speaks out both sides of his mouth. you can slam Riccó for doping and not others because Ricco is no longer in the peloton and everyone hates guy....Now that is BS.

 

[pmcg76]

Nobody can win.

Riders that are non comittal when commenting on doping - must be doping, otherwise why would they act that way?

Riders that have a strong anti doping stance - must be lying and are obviously doping.

Now that is BS.

I think that a lot of riders are viewed as hypocritical in their stances whether that is due to themselves doping or failing to take a consistent line on others.

A lot if riders do this, I have seen Millar say things that are definitiely anti-doping but he is not consistent at all.

A few years ago when he was getting involved with Slipstream and they were preaching the non-doping team thing, I seen him describe US Postal as a 'win at all costs team' the implication was clear and his point was Slipstream were not going to be a win at all costs team. This was in a Cycle Sport interview in 08(also featuring Vandevelde I think)

So how can he now say he doesnt know if Lance doped or not when just a few years ago he was implying US Postal were not clean, that is the hypocrisy. As someone else pointed out, JV, Vandevelde, Zabriskie were all at US Postal so they knew what went on there so of course Millar knows if Lance doped or not.

There are other riders I would like to believe are clean signed up to BikePure etc but then some of their comments/actions support riders who are regarded to be/or are/were dirty as hell. A rider who is supposedly clean enthusing over Armstrong, Contador, Vinokourov etc is hardly setting a clear anti-doping message.

The best thing a lot of pros can do when asked questions in regards doping or others doping is to say 'no comment' then they wont seem so hypocritical.
I know people on here expect rider to scream if they think someone is doping but I am more realistic about how cycling works. Too many riders have to toe a party line to stay in a job, they might not believe what they say but do it anyway for their careers.

My requirement to all pros when asked a question about doping, tell the truth or simply say 'no comment'

 

[ludwig]

I wondered the same thing. His reasoning is that Bert is so all-conquering that he must be clean. It's total nonsense. The inverse would be true e.g. a rider is so consistently bad that there's no way they can be doping, but to turn it on its head is sheer stupidity. Perhaps Garmin have an eye on signing Bert and are trying not to offend him.

If you look at Millar's post-conviction career and his many public statements, it's pretty clear he's all about omerta (burying doping, assuring everyone the doping is minimal). He always assures the media the current champion is clean and cries fake crocodile tears when the current champ gets busted. Protecting omerta is not just in the interest of his own career; it's about protecting his investment with Slipstream. Nothing spikes Millar's anger like a whistle blower--just google Kohl/Millar or Landis/Millar and you can see for yourself--the guy is impulsive and often fails to hide his true feelings.

I'm also very surprised some of the posters here believe he is riding clean. He just won a TT in the Giro, and if you look at the history of doping suspensions, chrono specialists are just as dependent on the dope as climbers.

 

[Benotti69]

I think that a lot of riders are viewed as hypocritical in their stances whether that is due to themselves doping or failing to take a consistent line on others.

A lot if riders do this, I have seen Millar say things that are definitiely anti-doping but he is not consistent at all.

A few years ago when he was getting involved with Slipstream and they were preaching the non-doping team thing, I seen him describe US Postal as a 'win at all costs team' the implication was clear and his point was Slipstream were not going to be a win at all costs team. This was in a Cycle Sport interview in 08(also featuring Vandevelde I think)

So how can he now say he doesnt know if Lance doped or not when just a few years ago he was implying US Postal were not clean, that is the hypocrisy. As someone else pointed out, JV, Vandevelde, Zabriskie were all at US Postal so they knew what went on there so of course Millar knows if Lance doped or not.

There are other riders I would like to believe are clean signed up to BikePure etc but then some of their comments/actions support riders who are regarded to be/or are/were dirty as hell. A rider who is supposedly clean enthusing over Armstrong, Contador, Vinokourov etc is hardly setting a clear anti-doping message.

The best thing a lot of pros can do when asked questions in regards doping or others doping is to say 'no comment' then they wont seem so hypocritical.
I know people on here expect rider to scream if they think someone is doping but I am more realistic about how cycling works. Too many riders have to toe a party line to stay in a job, they might not believe what they say but do it anyway for their careers.

My requirement to all pros when asked a question about doping, tell the truth or simply say 'no comment'

the best thing is for a rider not to bring a book out while riding in the peloton and avoid having to answer these questions and give BS answers.

 

[andy1234]

almost no rider? i think there are the usual suspects that crop up, but as you see the sport as entertainment that was never any different and hasn't 'gone bad' then you must think they all dope as part of that entertainment as they always have.



the comments from a rider can speak volumes about how they are viewed in the clinic.

Millar speaks out both sides of his mouth. you can slam Riccó for doping and not others because Ricco is no longer in the peloton and everyone hates guy....Now that is BS.

Some dope, some don't . It's nearly impossible to know which are which, so if you can't watch a race without finding SOMETHING to moan about every 5 minutes, find another sport.

Today it's Miller who's the bad guy, tomorrow it will be someone else. There is always someone who is saying too much or not saying enough.

When actual doping fails to materialise, there seems to be plenty of excuses for "whinging" from you and many others.

Of course, it's because you are so "passionate"......BS

 

[Deagol]

Some dope, some don't . It's nearly impossible to know which are which...

I don't think you will find much agreement on your point.

 

[andy1234]

I don't think you will find much agreement on your point.

I have no idea what point you were trying to make by editing my original post.

 

[Benotti69]

Some dope, some don't . It's nearly impossible to know which are which, so if you can't watch a race without finding SOMETHING to moan about every 5 minutes, find another sport.

Today it's Miller who's the bad guy, tomorrow it will be someone else. There is always someone who is saying too much or not saying enough.

When actual doping fails to materialise, there seems to be plenty of excuses for "whinging" from you and many others.

Of course, it's because you are so "passionate"......BS

Millar is the bad guy, yesterday and today. If he changes his tune tomorrow and calls all the spades a spade then he'll be a good guy who was a bad guy.

the doping nearly always fails to matrialise. Millar got caught and banned because of empty viles found in his bathroom. Pity we cant raid all the riders and their families bathrooms....

If you cant see cycling as nothing other than entertaining advertising hoardings on 2 wheels why do YOU bother?

 

[andy1234]

Millar is the bad guy, yesterday and today. If he changes his tune tomorrow and calls all the spades a spade then he'll be a good guy who was a bad guy.

the doping nearly always fails to matrialise. Millar got caught and banned because of empty viles found in his bathroom. Pity we cant raid all the riders and their families bathrooms....

If you cant see cycling as nothing other than entertaining advertising hoardings on 2 wheels why do YOU bother?

And yet more BS.

 

[ShawnB]

Yes, Andy; we get it. You believe:

1) Doping is central to the sport, therefore;
2) Those who hate doping...
3) ...actually hate the sport.

That is your opinion, sure. Not very nuanced, but somehow it's your opinion. Yet you're straight-up saying anyone who doesn't hold to your opinion has no motivations of their own, no possible different thought processes going on, and no legitimate reason for posting here.

You've spent the last three pages simply gainsaying anyone who puts up a different opinion. BS BS BS -- yes, we've heard you..

Are you trying to distract from the thread topic, which is: a history of self-serving and disturbing comments in the press by David Millar?

Nobody's with you on that. The topic will continue.

Nobody here is going to be bullied.

 

[andy1234]

Yes, Andy; we get it. You believe:

1) Doping is central to the sport, therefore;
2) Those who hate doping...
3) ...actually hate the sport.

That is your opinion, sure. Not very nuanced, but somehow it's your opinion. Yet you're straight-up saying anyone who doesn't hold to your opinion has no motivations of their own, no possible different thought processes going on, and no legitimate reason for posting here.

You've spent the last three pages simply gainsaying anyone who puts up a different opinion. BS BS BS -- yes, we've heard you..

Are you trying to distract from the thread topic, which is: a history of self-serving and disturbing comments in the press by David Millar?

Nobody's with you on that. The topic will continue.

Nobody here is going to be bullied.

No you don't get it. Try again.

I don't care what your thought process is, if you have a post count of 2000 plus and nearly every one of them is *****ing about pro cycling in one shape or another, then your love of the sport is a myth.

A bit like a husband who beats his wife, because he loves her.

If someone finds pro cycling distasteful, its perfectly understandable. It's not for everybody.

This post is not aimed at everybody. Many posters show respect for the sport.
This is aimed at those who do not. Frankly, doping sport or otherwise, they can go F*** themselves.

Plain enough for you?

 

[Mambo95]

You've spent the last three pages simply gainsaying anyone who puts up a different opinion. BS BS BS -- yes, we've heard you..

Are you trying to distract from the thread topic, which is: a history of self-serving and disturbing comments in the press by David Millar?

Haven't most of those three pages been filled by posters gainsaying someone who has put up a different opinion to them (ie Millar).

Never dismiss the idea that you might be wrong.

 

[Deagol]

I have no idea what point you were trying to make by editing my original post.

I didn't really edit it, just quoted the part stating that people could not discern a doping rider from clean..., The "BS" part snuck by me, I didn't intend to leave that in. I edited my quote to remove it.

 

[Deagol]

No you don't get it. Try again.

I don't care what your thought process is, if you have a post count of 2000 plus and nearly every one of them is *****ing about pro cycling in one shape or another, then your love of the sport is a myth.

A bit like a husband who beats his wife, because he loves her.

If someone finds pro cycling distasteful, its perfectly understandable. It's not for everybody.

This post is not aimed at everybody. Many posters show respect for the sport.
This is aimed at those who do not. Frankly, doping sport or otherwise, they can go F*** themselves.

Plain enough for you?

'

OK, Andy, now you are just sounding stupid..

 

[Benotti69]

Haven't most of those three pages been filled by posters gainsaying someone who has put up a different opinion to them (ie Millar).

Never dismiss the idea that you might be wrong.

nope most of three pages has been filled with posters calling out Millar again with his ever moving goalposts.