Millar whinging on doping ban for Olympics!

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GotDropped

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Yes, you have misunderstood me, not that I am surprised at that. I think that once they have served their ban they should be eligible for any competition including the Olympics.

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GJ
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That is where the discrepancies in our opinions lie. I think that once you have been convicted of a doping/cheating offense, you should be banned for life from the Olympics.

EDIT: Oh, and from the National and World Championships as well.
 
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Does anybody out there seriously doubt that Contador was riding clean in the Giro d'Italia that has just finished? You don't win the biggest races in the world with such clockwork regularity and comparative ease, and in such style, by not being the supreme talent and clean. In my experience the profile of a doper is always much more erratic and unpredictable
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WTF is Millar talking about? Does he even think before he speaks?
 
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Like him or hate him, he's actually talking a lot of sense on all aspects.

One other thing, the rule is in force he's not going to challenge it but rules change he accept selection, who wouldn't.

What this doesn't take into account is Christina Ohurugu, banned for missing three tests but let back into the Olympic team as a genuine Gold medal athlete....not that different rules exist for different people! The rule is archaic especially for first time offenders and we're the only nation that does it.
 
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Mach Schnell said:
WTF is Millar talking about? Does he even think before he speaks?
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I wondered the same thing. His reasoning is that Bert is so all-conquering that he must be clean. It's total nonsense. The inverse would be true e.g. a rider is so consistently bad that there's no way they can be doping, but to turn it on its head is sheer stupidity. Perhaps Garmin have an eye on signing Bert and are trying not to offend him.
 
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We really ought to have a thread devoted to the stupid things that Millar has said over the years.

I know he has a book to sell, but if he isn't whinging about something, then he's busy defending omerta.

Didn't he stick the boot into Landis for speaking out? The guy is a complete and total hypocrit.
 
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Mach Schnell said:
WTF is Millar talking about? Does he even think before he speaks?
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Agreed. That is an infuriatingly asinine statement lacking even a scintilla of truth. Apparently Millar thinks cycling fans are complete rubes. The problem with Millar is this: he's a stylish rider who is a pleasure to watch race, but then he talks.
 
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Mrs John Murphy said:
We really ought to have a thread devoted to the stupid things that Millar has said over the years.

I know he has a book to sell, but if he isn't whinging about something, then he's busy defending omerta.

Didn't he stick the boot into Landis for speaking out? The guy is a complete and total hypocrit.
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Have you been monitoring Grey ManRod recently? Landis is in a world of hurt.
Miller totes the line, for an intelligent guy, he needs to walk the fence. Millar is an intelligent spokesman for cycling. He knows the drill, and the corruption. The UCI officials do the same thing. However Millar is honest and the UCI, not so much.....
 
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Millar is an idiot. His association with Garmin seriously undermines the message they are selling. Don't buy it ...
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I wondered the same thing. His reasoning is that Bert is so all-conquering that he must be clean. It's total nonsense. The inverse would be true e.g. a rider is so consistently bad that there's no way they can be doping, but to turn it on its head is sheer stupidity. Perhaps Garmin have an eye on signing Bert and are trying not to offend him.
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Help me understand the logic of the bolded language. If someone is consistently bad or I presume average, then this is proof that he is not doping. But if someone is consistently good, then it is proof that he is doping. IMO that's faulty logic.
 
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Wow, Mr. Millar is getting a lot off his chest. From CN article:

On Bert:



I guess by that logic LA was clean for all seven of his TDF wins, including 1999. How many bad days did he have, cumulatively, in those seven? Two that I can remember, a mountain stage in 2000 or 2001, the last ITT in 2003. And those were bonks only by his standards, nothing remotely close to what Floyd, e.g., did on stage 16.
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By regularity I'm guessing that he means virtually every event Contador enters as opposed to Armstrong who would use races for training or in the case of a particular Paris-Nice (2004 or 2005) quit because it was too cold/he had just got slammed in the ITT/prologue. Being the best for 3 weeks out of the year versus 2 months is vastly different.
 
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Siriuscat said:
Like him or hate him, he's actually talking a lot of sense on all aspects.

One other thing, the rule is in force he's not going to challenge it but rules change he accept selection, who wouldn't.

What this doesn't take into account is Christina Ohurugu, banned for missing three tests but let back into the Olympic team as a genuine Gold medal athlete....not that different rules exist for different people! The rule is archaic especially for first time offenders and we're the only nation that does it.
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exactly, think there was a swimmer who was also let back in. Millar probably would be let back in also, cept his stance seems to be I wont ask but ill come if offered.
 
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Angliru said:
By regularity I'm guessing that he means virtually every event Contador enters as opposed to Armstrong who would use races for training or in the case of a particular Paris-Nice (2004 or 2005) quit because it was too cold/he had just got slammed in the ITT/prologue. Being the best for 3 weeks out of the year versus 2 months is vastly different.
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Good point, Bertie certainly has more talent than the Uniballer, still he tested positive and the UCI weren't able to sweep it under the carpet thanks to leaks at the lab so he's no better in the end.
 
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FignonLeGrand said:
exactly, think there was a swimmer who was also let back in. Millar probably would be let back in also, cept his stance seems to be I wont ask but ill come if offered.
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The other was Tim Don (triathlete). The major different between him and Ohurogou against David Millar is that those two got banned for missing three tests, not for actually taking drugs.

Not everyone is a fan of the rule. UK Anti-Doping oppose it, saying that it hinders their work.
 
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The other was Tim Don (triathlete). The major different between him and Ohurogou against David Millar is that those two got banned for missing three tests, not for actually taking drugs.

Not everyone is a fan of the rule. UK Anti-Doping oppose it, saying that it hinders their work.
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IIRC Millar was the subject of a criminal investigation and but for a used vial of EPO in his apartment in Biarritz he'd never have been banned.

IMO there is no difference between missing a test and testing positive these days. To be unavailable for a test is unacceptable with mobile phones etc.

As such they should be treated exactly the same as a caught doper or someone in Millar's position.
 
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I love how the media loves to present Millar as this fighter for clean cycling. Can someone tell me what other than defend dopers like Dertie and attack whistleblowers like Landis that Millar has actually done to help clean up the sport?

As for 'Dertie must be clean because he is so good, it sounds like something ripped off from an Armstrong apologist c2001.

Tell me David, why so silent about your time at SD with Mayo, Piepoli and Ricco?
 
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Mrs John Murphy said:
I love how the media loves to present Millar as this fighter for clean cycling. Can someone tell me what other than defend dopers like Dertie and attack whistleblowers like Landis that Millar has actually done to help clean up the sport?
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He serves as a member of WADA's Athlete Committee, for a start.

Maybe he should just point the finger at everyone on the internet, like the real crusaders making a difference.
 
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ultimobici said:
IIRC Millar was the subject of a criminal investigation and but for a used vial of EPO in his apartment in Biarritz he'd never have been banned.

IMO there is no difference between missing a test and testing positive these days. To be unavailable for a test is unacceptable with mobile phones etc.

As such they should be treated exactly the same as a caught doper or someone in Millar's position.
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Why are you bothering to tell me. I'm not the BOA, tell them. I was just pointing out the differences between them, which means Millar can't claim precedent.
 
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Ironic how TH and FL are accused by LA of lying because they each have an upcoming book, while the guy who really is writing a book to make $$ off his story (DM) is the one defending LA. By LA’s logic, anyone who writes a book is automatically lying. I wonder how “It’s Not About the Bike” and “Every Second Counts” fit into all that, not to mention DM’s future book. Oh wait, that logic only holds if the author says anything bad about him...
 
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