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It appears that the only member who can quote themselves is "thehog" if you try it (quote yourself) and make a joke about it being thehog's SOP then the post is deleted. :confused:

It is to bad someone got their feelings hurt over something simple as that. :(
 
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Susan Westemeyer said:
You do know how to report posts to the mods, yes? Please feel free to do so.

Thank you.

Susan

With all due regards, you well know that a skilled troll is difficult to "report". Trolling at its finest is an art form, and we have a few of these artists right here on CN forums. Subtle, twisted circular logic - but with a clear objective of destroying a thread and any intelligent discussion in order to defend/protect certain special interests.

A classic example is the famous LauraLyn. Had me fooled for a long time, yet he/she was finally banned for trolling. Any one post was almost impossible to report, it was l'ensemble de son œuvre that was so compelling.
 
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frenchfry said:
With all due regards, you well know that a skilled troll is difficult to "report". Trolling at its finest is an art form, and we have a few of these artists right here on CN forums. Subtle, twisted circular logic - but with a clear objective of destroying a thread and any intelligent discussion in order to defend/protect certain special interests.

A classic example is the famous LauraLyn. Had me fooled for a long time, yet he/she was finally banned for trolling. Any one post was almost impossible to report, it was l'ensemble de son œuvre that was so compelling.

There is the problem right there. The original mods would read the forum so they knew what was going on. Moderation by simply looking at reported posts does not work well. We get idiocy like ferryman thinking he needs to respond to a Sky homer complaining about The Hog patting himself on the back while mountainbpc has spent the last few weeks making one idiotic post after another.
 
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BroDeal said:
There is the problem right there. The original mods would read the forum so they knew what was going on. Moderation by simply looking at reported posts does not work well. We get idiocy like ferryman thinking he needs to respond to a Sky homer complaining about The Hog patting himself on the back while mountainbpc has spent the last few weeks making one idiotic post after another.

I don't think it was idiocy but I hear you.
 
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frenchfry said:
With all due regards, you well know that a skilled troll is difficult to "report". Trolling at its finest is an art form, and we have a few of these artists right here on CN forums. Subtle, twisted circular logic - but with a clear objective of destroying a thread and any intelligent discussion in order to defend/protect certain special interests.

A classic example is the famous LauraLyn. Had me fooled for a long time, yet he/she was finally banned for trolling. Any one post was almost impossible to report, it was l'ensemble de son œuvre that was so compelling.

The "troll" has only a very limited number of "fans"--people who respond to the "troll posts." The "fans" obviously love the "troll," because the fans faithfully respond to the "troll posts."

If the "fans" stop, the "troll" will stop.

Maybe we should ban the fans for feeding the troll? (SARCASM)
 
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frenchfry said:
A classic example is the famous LauraLyn. Had me fooled for a long time, yet he/she was finally banned for trolling. Any one post was almost impossible to report, it was l'ensemble de son œuvre that was so compelling.

Yet another obvious troll account, you must of missed the memo that was in our now locked thread on the matter.
 
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MarkvW said:
The "troll" has only a very limited number of "fans"--people who respond to the "troll posts." The "fans" obviously love the "troll," because the fans faithfully respond to the "troll posts."

If the "fans" stop, the "troll" will stop.

Maybe we should ban the fans for feeding the troll? (SARCASM)

This is indeed good advice, although the "fans" reference probably wasn't necessary.
 
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If you are going to let Mountainman return from his ban and instantly start to clog a thread with nonsense, then at least open up the "This Forum Blows" thread in exchange.:confused:
 
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Feel free to report any posts you think violate the forum rules. Much easier if we don't have to search for them. Thanks.

Further, if you want to open a thread with critiques and suggestions for the forum in this feedback forum, please do so. However starting a thread with a title "This forum blows" isn't productive...in fact it's counter productive.

We'd like to hear constructive feedback and answer questions. Rants and mis-informed speculation are a negative drain on the forum and responding to them isn't productive for us.
 

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spetsa said:
If you are going to let Mountainman return from his ban and instantly start to clog a thread with nonsense, then at least open up the "This Forum Blows" thread in exchange.:confused:

Spetsa. I put a post relevant to Ferrari on a thread about ferrari, saying in my view he was not sidestepping questions with weasel word answers in an interview. And also noting he intends "court" action - which leads to interesting speculation as to why he said "court" not "arbitration" That is a relevant post to that thread - even if it contains speculation why he said "court".

You may dislike it, if so challenge it with the alternative and why - not abuse the one who said it..

A variety of views are what forums are for.

I respect your view , even though I may disagree with it. I certainly do not challenge your right to hold it or express it, as you appear to challenge mine. I do challenge your right to insult as a response or attempts to try to silence my view as witness your post above.

On the other side of the very same coin - I dislike the stream of ad hominem attacks and flaming that occur because others disagree with the arguments. That is Lance Armstrong modus operandi, to attack the person who states a view, rather than challenge the view - and all in cycling should condemn that approach. Most of the posts in the clinic are abusive responses to posters whose view happens to disagree with the mob view.

The word "troll" on most forums means a poster who writes in order to incite argument - and I can state I have never done that. On here the word "troll" has been redefined to mean anyone who holds an opposing view.


I write because cycling has one more chance to clean up its act - and the usual "scapegoat a few, featherbed a few, call dissenters liars, then business as usual" vintage McQuaid fashion" does not cut it any more.

At least my posts contain some content.

The clinic is generally too long on negative opinion against the accused, and too short on actual facts or posts with content.

When I read it, I want to find out stuff I did not know, or areas worth looking at, or reasons that challenge the views that I hold. I often change views in response to reasoned argument - never in response to speculation, abuse or cat calling. It makes unpleasant and relatively useless reading to see personal attacks against posters and pure speculation against accused riders which in the main is what the clinic contains.

It is remiscinent of how Dickens " a tale of two cities" portrays those who watched knitting at the guillotine, speculating on who would be next for the chop.
 
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MM, You are long on BS. You admit in the Ferrari thread that you post lies, and the moderators do nothing about it. If your objective, which we all know it, is to ruin a thread that you do nat agree with, you win. Everybody is refraining from posting because of you and I guess that is fine with the mods. Goodbye everyone.
 

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spetsa said:
MM, You are long on BS. You admit in the Ferrari thread that you post lies, and the moderators do nothing about it. If your objective, which we all know it, is to ruin a thread that you do nat agree with, you win.

Not true in any aspect - although I will refrain from posting a reciprocal flame.
 
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Moderators, read the Ferrari thread. How many times are you going to let this guy change his mind on what the facts really are. You have ruined this forum yourselves by allowing this sh*t show to continue. First it was Reynolds collected money, he was proven wrong and told to move on by a mod. He admits he made it up, and is now he is back to insisting that Reynolds collected "huge sums" in an effort to reply to another post.

THIS FORUM BLOWS BECAUSE OF THE MODS

And don't tell me to report it, because I have more than once.
 

mountainrman

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spetsa said:
Moderators, read the Ferrari thread. How many times are you going to let this guy change his mind on what the facts really are. You have ruined this forum yourselves by allowing this sh*t show to continue. First it was Reynolds collected money, he was proven wrong and told to move on by a mod. He admits he made it up, and is now he is back to insisting that Reynolds collected "huge sums" in an effort to reply to another post.

THIS FORUM BLOWS BECAUSE OF THE MODS

And don't tell me to report it, because I have more than once.

Can you read? I did not say "recieved" I said "won" "was awarded" - that is it was the outcome of a defamation case - and he did win before being overturned on jurisdiction.

The question is whether Ferrari might be able to launch a defamation or similar court action against USADA in which clearly the jurisdiction is US so the reason Reynolds did not collect is irrelevant in the context of the subject of the thread. Whether he was able to launch an action matters. And he did. So my answer was relevant and correct

Spetsa tries to make trouble where there is none.
If the "forum blows" it is because of posters trying to make trouble rather than discuss the issues.
 
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mountainrman said:
Can you read? I did not say "recieved" I said "won" "was awarded" - that is it was the outcome of a defamation case - and he did win before being overturned on jurisdiction.

The question is whether Ferrari might be able to launch a defamation or similar court action against USADA in which clearly the jurisdiction is US so the reason Reynolds did not collect is irrelevant in the context of the subject of the thread. Whether he was able to launch an action matters. And he did. So my answer was relevant and correct

Spetsa tries to make trouble where there is none.
If the "forum blows" it is because of posters trying to make trouble rather than discuss the issues.

By your use of semantics, coupled with your skewed logic, our prisons are full of individuals who "won" hteir case.
 
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Quite enough, please stop.

Some general thoughts. If we banned everyone here who ignored a moderator warning, most of the regulars in this forum would be banned. Without question. I for one don't get too worked up when warnings are ignored, if I did I'd go nuts around here. Consider that when you're screaming for a ban for another member, and ask if you'd want us to be as hard core about everyone as you want us to be about a particular person. We're not going to, it's rhetorical.

We're certainly willing to let a lot slide rather than react too quickly, and we're certainly not in the business of banning people because someone asks us to.

Also consider that you have no idea what we're doing behind the scenes, and it's by definition private communication with users.

Most of all, and most importantly, it would be great if some members didn't take all this SO seriously. It's just a forum. It's supposed to be fun, informative and interesting. It's not really any of those things when people get incredibly emotional about what goes on here.
 
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red_flanders said:
Most of all, and most importantly, it would be great if some members didn't take all this SO seriously. It's just a forum. It's supposed to be fun, informative and interesting. It's not really any of those things when people get incredibly emotional about what goes on here.

I agree with what you have said, but you do realise what happens when one individual is allowed to have "fun" by continually posting mis"information". It quickly becomes un"interesting".

Just a thought.
 
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red_flanders said:
Also consider that you have no idea what we're doing behind the scenes, and it's by definition private communication with users.

Neither do you (collectively) it would seem.

I was awarded a fine of 10 points by Susan on Tuesday for a denigrating personal reference towards another poster. I communicated with Susan about this by PM, and marveled at the little red blob in the lower right corner of the post because I had never seen this before.

Imagine my surprise when, some time later, the post in question disappeared! I wrote to Alpe, another admin, asking for an explanation, who had deleted the post, and why. Alpe reported that he did not know who had deleted the post.

I then re-posted (with some changes,) making the point about the deletion, and giving the mod in question the opportunity to either PM me, or post his reasoning. Nothing (so far).

[Old fart mode] - I have been regularly using all kinds of forums, and in every capacity, since 1999. There is simply NO excuse for any mod ever deleting posts without explanation, or at the very least informing the poster concerned. NO excuse at all, especially when the deleted post runs to many hundreds of words and the object causing offense is one word.

[/Old fart mode]
 
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Amsterhammer said:
Neither do you (collectively) it would seem.

I was awarded a fine of 10 points by Susan on Tuesday for a denigrating personal reference towards another poster. I communicated with Susan about this by PM, and marveled at the little red blob in the lower right corner of the post because I had never seen this before.

Imagine my surprise when, some time later, the post in question disappeared! I wrote to Alpe, another admin, asking for an explanation, who had deleted the post, and why. Alpe reported that he did not know who had deleted the post.

I then re-posted (with some changes,) making the point about the deletion, and giving the mod in question the opportunity to either PM me, or post his reasoning. Nothing (so far).

[Old fart mode] - I have been regularly using all kinds of forums, and in every capacity, since 1999. There is simply NO excuse for any mod ever deleting posts without explanation, or at the very least informing the poster concerned. NO excuse at all, especially when the deleted post runs to many hundreds of words and the object causing offense is one word.

[/Old fart mode]

maybe if you kept it short and sweet it wouldn't be so painful when they delete your stuff :D
 
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