Moderators

[Hugh Januss]

Wow. A whole new level of stupid is unfolding.

STFU ALREADY!


Is there a mod in the house?


Edit
Not directed a ferryman's post above.
I was responding to the previous nonsense.

Netjerk is probably one of the biggest problems as far as mods go.

 

[hiero2]

Christ, this is becoming unnecessarily complicated.

Mine wasn't a "conclusion" it was a question. I hadn't noticed any mod action by Alpe or Ferminal as of late, although obviously they may be involved behind the scenes.

Can someone just answer my question then?

WHO ARE THE CURRENT MODS?

Obviously, we are avoiding answering that question. To an extent, we are not certain, as some mods are "active" but have been busy with RL. {And I don't care if some folk don't like to refer to our little forum as non-RL - but I stand by it. What I do here does not pay any of the bills.}

But, additionally, if the mod list is there - and YOU can find it if you look hard enough - then there must be a reason, for someone, if currently inactive mods have not been trimmed. And, until those making the decision decide to share their reasoning? Sorry, buddy, but it's not our business - yours OR mine.

So, we're ducking. On top of the above - we still don't know WHY you want to know. I mean, what difference does it make? What could it possibly matter? Argue up some answers to those questions. Answers that will CONVINCE people other than mod-haters and general forum-bangers.

BTW, I know you won't like that answer, and neither will others. Amof, I wouldn't if I were in your shoes. But, sometimes you just have to recognize the exigencies of reality.

As for action from Alpe and Ferminal - you just need to look a bit harder. You just haven't found what they've done. They have been active. Btw, Alpe does tend to be seen more frequently in politics. Fermy is everywhere, as far as I can tell.

But that brings us back to MY questions. You say we are different today, or you imply it. Are you just trying to stir up the 4-letter-word-for-excrement, or can you really share something of what YOU see as different?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Obviously, we are avoiding answering that question. To an extent, we are not certain, as some mods are "active" but have been busy with RL. {And I don't care if some folk don't like to refer to our little forum as non-RL - but I stand by it. What I do here does not pay any of the bills.}

But, additionally, if the mod list is there - and YOU can find it if you look hard enough - then there must be a reason, for someone, if currently inactive mods have not been trimmed. And, until those making the decision decide to share their reasoning? Sorry, buddy, but it's not our business - yours OR mine.

So, we're ducking. On top of the above - we still don't know WHY you want to know. I mean, what difference does it make? What could it possibly matter? Argue up some answers to those questions. Answers that will CONVINCE people other than mod-haters and general forum-bangers.

BTW, I know you won't like that answer, and neither will others. Amof, I wouldn't if I were in your shoes. But, sometimes you just have to recognize the exigencies of reality.

As for action from Alpe and Ferminal - you just need to look a bit harder. You just haven't found what they've done. They have been active. Btw, Alpe does tend to be seen more frequently in politics. Fermy is everywhere, as far as I can tell.

But that brings us back to MY questions. You say we are different today, or you imply it. Are you just trying to stir up the 4-letter-word-for-excrement, or can you really share something of what YOU see as different?

Since you have asked, I would say different in that a whole batch of new mods seem to be younger, and more aggressive in the manner in which they post. They are not afraid to get down and dirty and stir up the crap when they are "just posters", but then they come in and delete a whole bunch of posts in a conversation they had nothing to do with because they are "off topic". Yes they are "just posters" and should be allowed to voice their own opinions, that being the case when other posters are just having a little fun those mods need to learn how to just STFU and let things go. I can not believe that in the last few cases of mass post deletions it was done because anyone flagged them, it was over-moderation plain and simple.

 

[Ripper]

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**** sucker

***!

 

[Christian]

Hi Christian,

I've no problem with this as Mods come and go and there have been a lot of new ones in the last 6 months or so, myself included. But, not for me to post a list without asking the others but would be interested why you want to know. And to be honest I don't actually know how many of the inactive guys still have mod status.

My only reason for supporting Granville's idea is because I agree with him when he says the existing list of mods is terribly outdated. What is the point of having a list in the first place, if it is nowhere near accurate? That is really all it is... I am not trying to find out personal information from these people, all I was trying to say is that since we have a list, it should be accurate or else there is no point to it.

You also say you are not sure how many of the inactive ones still have mod status. On the official list there are many inactive ones. So either they do still have mod status, or else the list is simply wrong. If it is wrong then that is another reason to update it.

Finally I think there should be a rule that in order to be a mod you must be an active member... this should be a given, really. If something comes up in RL that prevents you from doing the task that you voluntarily signed up for, let the others know. The mod could then take a leave of absence, a sabatical if you will... and once he or she has the time again to be on the forum, have their status reactivated.

Here is a list of users that are officially listed under mods but are inactive. (Disclaimer: I have no idea for the reason of the absence of any of these mods and refuse to speculate on it. Frankly I do not care and it does not matter. However I do not think that posting this list should be offensive or a violation of privacy, since this information is there for anyone to see in a user's stats.)

180mmCrank: last post on 10 August 2012
palmerq: last post on 12 March 2012 (miss him :S)
RD4ROUBAIX: last post on 4 August 2012

OK that is all I believe so it is actually less than I thought. The other ones I assume all work for CN so I don't count them. Some I thought were inactive but it turns out I just don't notice them. This certainly makes it less of a big deal than I initially thought - please excuse earlier phrasings such as "terribly outdated".

But still - RD4ROUBAIX for example officially said he would retire that accound and now posts under the name of Giuseppe Magnetico. However the RD4ROUBAIX account still exists and is still listed under Moderator and Super Moderator. Surely asking for this to be rectified cannot be a big deal?

 

[Granville57]

This is getting stranger and stranger by the hour.

Hey, I'm more than happy to have steered the conversation in the Moderator thread back to the topic of, ya' know, Moderators. But if determining just who those folks are is as complicated as it appears, then there may be more issues in play than I ever imagined.

But I'm happy to play along.

I just haven't the time at the moment. I'll return with further clarification of my curiosity. Until then, stay hunkered down in that safe room. And don't open the door for anyone until I get back!

 

[Dazed and Confused]

This is getting stranger and stranger by the hour.

Hey, I'm more than happy to have steered the conversation in the Moderator thread back to the topic of, ya' know, Moderators. But if determining just who those folks are is as complicated as it appears, then there may be more issues in play than I ever imagined.

But I'm happy to play along.

I just haven't the time at the moment. I'll return with further clarification of my curiosity. Until then, stay hunkered down in that safe room. And don't open the door for anyone until I get back!

I expect Snowden to get involved in this momentarily.

 

[Netserk]

How hard is it to go to their user profile?

Just take a look at the 'Last Activity'.

 

[Cyivel]

How hard is it to go to their user profile?

Just take a look at the 'Last Activity'.

How hard is it to update?

 

[Netserk]

How hard is it to update?

Given that only one have that power....

 

[Cyivel]

Given that only one have that power....

So if somebody wants to know they have to go to every mods user page, seems like the most efficient way to do things...

 

[Christian]

Once again the mods' reaction to a simple, innocent request baffles me.

ferryman: pointless suspicion (Why do you want to know?? What are you hiding??)
hiero2: pointless suspicion plus "It's none of your business" plus complex rambling to basically say "We're refusing to comment"
Netserk: signature passive-agressiveness and condescension

It seems to me the mods have become paranoid

I therefore withdraw my request that the list of mods should be updated because it is really not that big a deal.... I thought this was a no-brainer, a suggestion to bring a tiny component of the forum up to date but if this makes me subject to suspicion, or if I have to write up an essay to expose my reasoning or if it causes anyone any grief I'd rather a dead account such as RDV4ROUBAIX be listed as Super Moderator than have to deal with all of that.

Right now RDV4R is a better mod than most

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Once again the mods' reaction to a simple, innocent request baffles me.

ferryman: pointless suspicion (Why do you want to know?? What are you hiding??)
hiero2: pointless suspicion plus "It's none of your business" plus complex rambling to basically say "We're refusing to comment"
Netserk: signature passive-agressiveness and condescension

It seems to me the mods have become paranoid

I therefore withdraw my request that the list of mods should be updated because it is really not that big a deal.... I thought this was a no-brainer, a suggestion to bring a tiny component of the forum up to date but if this makes me subject to suspicion, or if I have to write up an essay to expose my reasoning or if it causes anyone any grief I'd rather a dead account such as RDV4ROUBAIX be listed as Super Moderator than have to deal with all of that.

Right now RDV4R is a better mod than most

Christian, i am sure you could write a long essay...think of it as writing an Andy Schleck propoganda . I believe the force will be with you.

 

[Christian]

Christian, i am sure you could write a long essay...think of it as writing an Andy Schleck propoganda . I believe the force will be with you.

Currently I am working on a 3-volume biography of Andy, I am still on his junior years and have already over 200 pages....

 

[TheGame]

So, we're ducking. On top of the above - we still don't know WHY you want to know. I mean, what difference does it make? What could it possibly matter?

Maybe we wish to contact a moderator about something? And don't want to contact Netserk and don't have the time to read whatever, highly intelligent and well thought out, but slightly lengthy response that you may give.

 

[ferryman]

Okay, this IS directed at ferryman since it was I who raised the question initially.


First off, why in the hell would you have to check with "the others"?

This isn't national security. The forum has a list of mods but it is terribly outdated. So it should be public knowledge and straightening it out should be no big deal.

I can't speak for Christian, but why does it matter why anyone wants to know who the mods are? For me, I'm somewhat curious to know if guys like Alpe d'huez are still on board or not. I have other reasons too but those will have to wait until I'm not typing from a phone.

Jeez this is getting ridiculous. I don't have a problem with any of this. I'm not going to set out a list of names of Mods without letting them know first is all I meant. I curse the written word at times.

 

[BroDeal]

With all the secrecy about the list of mods and the aversion to releasing details, one might think the NSA is running this place.

 

[ferryman]

Once again the mods' reaction to a simple, innocent request baffles me.

ferryman: pointless suspicion (Why do you want to know?? What are you hiding??)
hiero2: pointless suspicion plus "It's none of your business" plus complex rambling to basically say "We're refusing to comment"
Netserk: signature passive-agressiveness and condescension

It seems to me the mods have become paranoid

I therefore withdraw my request that the list of mods should be updated because it is really not that big a deal.... I thought this was a no-brainer, a suggestion to bring a tiny component of the forum up to date but if this makes me subject to suspicion, or if I have to write up an essay to expose my reasoning or if it causes anyone any grief I'd rather a dead account such as RDV4ROUBAIX be listed as Super Moderator than have to deal with all of that.

Right now RDV4R is a better mod than most

FFS Christian, give me a break. Simply ridiculous. You covered, very well, your reasons for asking, which are perfectly legit, as are Granville's - which answered my question you have highlighted. Stop reading into something when there is absolutely nothing there. I will ask for the Mod list to be updated. This all could have been resolved with a 30 second phone call. Instead of the written word being over analysed when there is nothing to see.

All of this them and us stuff is so freeking depressing. We are all on this freeking forum for one freeking reason. Wait a minute my freeking will be reported now as inappropriate for a Mod.

 

[spetsa]

FFS Christian, give me a break. Simply ridiculous. You covered, very well, your reasons for asking, which are perfectly legit, as are Granville's - which answered my question you have highlighted. Stop reading into something when there is absolutely nothing there. I will ask for the Mod list to be updated. This all could have been resolved with a 30 second phone call. Instead of the written word being over analysed when there is nothing to see.

All of this them and us stuff is so freeking depressing. We are all on this freeking forum for one freeking reason. Wait a minute my freeking will be reported now as inappropriate for a Mod.

It is obvious that you are all volunteers, because your (collective) actions would not last a day in the real world of paid employment. Grow up.

 

[pedaling squares]

FFS Christian, give me a break. Simply ridiculous. You covered, very well, your reasons for asking, which are perfectly legit, as are Granville's - which answered my question you have highlighted. Stop reading into something when there is absolutely nothing there. I will ask for the Mod list to be updated. This all could have been resolved with a 30 second phone call. Instead of the written word being over analysed when there is nothing to see.

All of this them and us stuff is so freeking depressing. We are all on this freeking forum for one freeking reason. Wait a minute my freeking will be reported now as inappropriate for a Mod.

When you submit that request, don't forget to ask them to put the mods' phone numbers on their user profiles.

"Collect call from Mr J. Papp, will you accept the charge?"

 

[Christian]

FFS Christian, give me a break. Simply ridiculous. You covered, very well, your reasons for asking, which are perfectly legit, as are Granville's - which answered my question you have highlighted. Stop reading into something when there is absolutely nothing there. I will ask for the Mod list to be updated. This all could have been resolved with a 30 second phone call. Instead of the written word being over analysed when there is nothing to see.

All of this them and us stuff is so freeking depressing. We are all on this freeking forum for one freeking reason. Wait a minute my freeking will be reported now as inappropriate for a Mod.

Sorry ferryman, no harm was intended - it seems I just misinterpreted your post. I agree that the general picture that this thread paints of the mod/users relationship is a sad one, but that does not mean the whole forum. Netserk and I for example have been battling it out pretty fiercely in this thread but recently engaged in amicable discussions in other threads. I agree that we are all in the same boat, I interprete this thread as a discussion of the best way in which to steer it. Sometimes discussions get heated and we might not agree on some points but I like to think that in the end everyone who comes to this thread has the forum's best interest at heart

 

[hiero2]

. . .

Here is a list of users that are officially listed under mods but are inactive. . .

180mmCrank: last post on 10 August 2012
palmerq: last post on 12 March 2012 (miss him :S)
RD4ROUBAIX: last post on 4 August 2012

OK that is all I believe so it is actually less than I thought. . . . please excuse earlier phrasings such as "terribly outdated".

. . .

I don't see how anyone in their right mind can consider the mods paranoid - when there is a very obvious amount of people picking up the stick and vinegar, rather than the carrot or the honey.

However - thanks for spending a little time doing something that could be helpful. Really - thanks. The time you spent means I, or another, don't have to spend that time and energy - which is one of the reasons for a less than enthusiastic response.

While I didn't quote it, also note netserk's response about getting the list changed. I will validate that it does not seem to be "trivial", unfortunately.

 

[ferryman]

It is obvious that you are all volunteers, because your (collective) actions would not last a day in the real world of paid employment. Grow up.

I like the real word of paid employment thank you. But nice of you to drop by with a negative comment when we are trying to address some points. As Neil Young once said, when I grow up I'm going to get a real Guitar.

 

[Granville57]

I'm baffled. Heiro, I've no intention to be antagonistic here, but I honestly can not make any sense out of your last post.

This whole thing has become convoluted beyond words. What began as a simple request has been redirected back on me and Christian in a way that is inexplicable. At this point, it just doesn't matter anymore. Forget it.

Part of me had suspected that no one is, in fact, running the show around here. If you guys don't even know who the other active mods are, then this conversation is pointless. If you somehow extrapolate from my original question that I am seeking personal information about anyone, then I actually pity your warped perspective.

Something seems to have gotten lost in translation along the way here. No matter. Most of the best, reasoned and open-minded mods left after the Joe Papp debacle. That is an indisputable fact, but we're not even allowed to discuss it anymore. If anyone wants the details, they can pm me. I have it all very well documented.

Anyway, there's a big race thingy coming up in the land of wine and cheese. I suspect that will take up most of the energy around here in the coming days.

I do have a couple of more points to make but I really can't be bothered at the moment.

As you were.

 

[spetsa]

I like the real word of paid employment thank you. But nice of you to drop by with a negative comment when we are trying to address some points. As Neil Young once said, when I grow up I'm going to get a real Guitar.

If you do not want criticism, then act like adults. It is quite obvious that no one is in charge around here. Virtually all of the current mods are loose cannons. Were you bullied as a children?