more stupidity from the mods, hardly surprisingNetserk said:Wow, permaban!?!
It was one mistake and not something of a serial offender. He is a very curious young kid, who didn't deny Holocaust, but linked to a site questioning it. Sure that was a mistake, but I'm certain a ban of a week or a month would learn him that, and that he wouldn't do anything similar again. Wouldn't the best be to have him back where he acts according to the rules (which he clearly didn't break on purpose) if that is possible?
What does it help to permaban him instead of giving him one month? Do you really think he ever again would do something similar? Do you think it would work more as a deterrent than the month would?
Please reconsider this. It's not like he was a big troublecauser in general.
I'm happy to discuss which part of this ban you disagree with if you would like to elaborate on what the Mods did wrong here in your opinion.patricknd said:more stupidity from the mods, hardly surprising
Nor carry on the way he did, showing no respect for the mod's wishes or directions or posts, imo.hrotha said:One does not post a link to that kind of site by "mistake".
Uh huh.Netserk said:It was one mistake...
This pretty much nails it imo..Granville57 said:Uh huh.
The incessant inquires about him wanting to use a Hitler quote as a signature?
Doing his best to make this place all about him?
Feigning ignorance and being unwilling to move on from his own issues?
Anyone surprised by the results shouldn't be.
If it had only been one site... But it would've been enough!hrotha said:One does not post a link to that kind of site by "mistake".
or it shows just how seriously this was taken, and needed the entire mod team plus Daniel and Susan to be fully advised and give their opinion.Rechtschreibfehler said:...The only thing that is really very questionable about the whole thing is how incredibly long it took for this complete no brainer to happen.
Totally agreeGranville57 said:Uh huh.
The incessant inquires about him wanting to use a Hitler quote as a signature?
Doing his best to make this place all about him?
Feigning ignorance and being unwilling to move on from his own issues?
Anyone surprised by the results shouldn't be.
I think this is an underestimate of the number of posts involved and an overstatement of the reaction. The initial reaction was quite tolerant - it took a number of exchanges and contretemps to generate the final reaction.northstar said:BigMac was an excellent forum member who made one wrong post and tried to defend himself after the matter was blown way out of proportion.
From what I witnessed, the post in question happened months ago. It was a post with a link to a conspiracy theory in a conspiracy thread with little to no discussion about the material. The mods recently discovered the post(s) and deleted them without providing a reason to BigMac. He asked for an explanation in the mod thread and members attacked him for posting the link and made some serious accusations against him. BigMac tried to defend himself which is understandable given the accusations. A warning or a short ban for the original post was appropriate. A permaban is excessive and unreasonable.
I concur. He did drag it out.Dear Wiggo said:Nor carry on the way he did, showing no respect for the mod's wishes or directions or posts, imo.
I didn't see his posting attitude improving. It was spiraling downwards.
I will use my words to tell his side of the story (part of it), based on a PM exchange. He honestly believes the Holocaust deniers have a researched and valid case. He prefers Holocaust "revisionists". In his defense, I never saw him say he agreed with that side - he just believed there was a "side" there. It was his inability to revise that view - or just to shut up about it - that really led things down the path of no return.Granville57 said:Uh huh.
The incessant inquires about him wanting to use a Hitler quote as a signature?
Doing his best to make this place all about him?
Feigning ignorance and being unwilling to move on from his own issues?
Anyone surprised by the results shouldn't be.
All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.
Words build bridges into unexplored regions.
Yeah very weird. He was generally very nice and respectful. In the God/religion thread for instance where me and bigmac completely disagreed and which is exactly the type of controversial topic where things can spiral out of control as you say, I never felt like he was being disrespectful or anything.Christian said:The odd thing is that, except for this, which started maybe about a month ago, he was a top notch quality poster and a nice bloke.
Don't know exactly how this happened. Sometimes, on the internet, you maneuver yourself into a corner and things can spiral out of control. Not saying this is it, but it could be part of it. The internet has different dynamics than real life conversations.
A sad story
It could have been that asking for a quote from A.H to be in his signature was his way (not that he was actually going to have one) for arguing for a greater freedom of speech around here.Fearless Greg Lemond said:Why would anyone with half a braincell ask if they could place a quote from A. H. in his signature? Come on. This isnt Stormfront dot org or what?
This is awesome, we're still getting trolled by BigMac from beyond.Netserk said:Tbf several of such quotes are all fine, and no one would have anything against them if someone else was the author.
Not argueing on that, I bet not a lot of folks know that though...Netserk said:Tbf several of such quotes are all fine, and no one would have anything against them if someone else was the author.
Wow he had a swastika as his avatar?hrotha said:Not to mention the painfully obvious bait that was having a Hindu swastika as his avatar.
It wasn't a Nazi swastika, but considering the context it's quite obvious to me he was dying for someone to bring it up just so that he could rebut them.LaFlorecita said:Wow he had a swastika as his avatar?never saw that
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It was a buddhist swastika he says on twitter.... not a very smart movehrotha said:It wasn't a Nazi swastika, but considering the context it's quite obvious to me he was dying for someone to bring it up just so that he could rebut them.
**** stirring at a forum where moderators already lack reasonable tolerance is never a good move!Fearless Greg Lemond said:Not argueing on that, I bet not a lot of folks know that though...
I can put up 100 quotes of that loony A.H. and most people wouldnt know who I cite, the mather on Big Mac is the reverse; by asking he looks to have just one motive: sh!t stirring.
Well, he got that.
Uh what? Sorry but neither Nazism nor Hitler is what springs to (my) mind when I see a picture such as:hrotha said:It wasn't a Nazi swastika, but considering the context it's quite obvious to me he was dying for someone to bring it up just so that he could rebut them.