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[Spare Tyre]

I'm interested in the answer to Granville's question too.

 

[pedaling squares]

Well, he did say once that he had an associate in CN who played a role in him being the first member outside of CN staff to register for the forum. This place needed a good conspiracy theory.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I really got no dog in this fight, but I do have a hard time understanding why repeating information that is already in the public domain is such an awful thing. Unless of course someone is just out to get someone else.

 

[Anonymous]

I really got no dog in this fight, but I do have a hard time understanding why repeating information that is already in the public domain is such an awful thing. Unless of course someone is just out to get someone else.

I tend to agree. That said, probably a link to the page would have been sufficient rather than taking up half the thread with useless information.

However, then there becomes the question of purpose and intent. On that, dunno. Dont care anymore.

 

[pedaling squares]

...rather than taking up half the thread with useless information.

True, but if that was enforced there would only be about 40 posts in The Clinic subforum.

 

[palmerq]

And I'm repeating this for the 3rd time:


Click here -------> Why hasn't this resulted in a ban?

I realize that Francois has put in for early retirement, and that Martin may have been delayed by a Customs "search & seizure" in Colombia <it's a joke> but...

Why has no one responded to this issue? It's been a week. I've been patient. Others have also publicly asked why there has been no response. I've gotten PMs from other members wondering if I had received any messages from the mods in regards to this. I have not heard a word.

Why do I dwell on this? Because if the malicious posting of one's personal information, including mailing addresses, does not constitute an immediate ban (I would like to think that 4 months minimum would be a good place to start) than the rest of the rules enforced around here are pretty much a complete and total joke.

So...WTF?!?!

elchingon has been dealt with, crisis averted

 

[Granville57]

elchingon has been dealt with, crisis averted

I see you've adopted brevity as your tactic.
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For those following any of this mini saga: My intent here, from the beginning, was strictly a matter of principal. I've no personal agenda against El Chingon (although his motives are bewildering to me). It just seems to me that since most people are on here anonymously, privacy is about the only thing really worth protecting. It certainly can't be the virgin eyes of the angelic few, who would forever have to endure a smear on their souls from the occasional use of a forbidden word, who need the protection of the mods. I just think that deliberately posting personal information on another forum member should be considered much more egregious than calling someone else names or talking about doping in a race thread.

And that should apply even if that info is already "in the public domain." I'm sure most people on here have social networking accounts that have reams of data about their personal lives that they don't have any interest in sharing with this particular community for any variety of reasons. It is not anyone else's prerogative to make the decision to reveal that information for them.

Again, I'm working strictly from a point of precedent on this. The incident in question here has not raised too much ire from TSF, and I understand why. Sure, the info was "public" but it was part of a public record that needed to be specifically sought out. It wasn't like the info was boldly posted on the TeamskyFans Homepage. The super sleuth work done by EC was laughable enough in that anyone paying even the slightest bit of attention already knew who was behind Velorooms. That was never, ever intended to be a secret.

But that's not my point. I just feel that the mods should have stepped in more aggressively with a very public stance on the issue. It could prove to be a very slippery slope otherwise. I'm not the one who made the rules in the first place, btw.

To further this point (I know, you're dying for more)...
Many months ago, someone posted in The Clinic what they thought was a photo and real name associated with Polish. As it turns out, they were wrong. But regardless of the ramifications, the intent was still the same. Why the instigator wasn't immediately faced with a very long ban is beyond me. The most serious issue at stake here is that such an act, if factual, can not be undone. Sure, a post can be deleted, but unless the mods have those cool memory erasers from Men in Black, then...wait, what was I complaining about?


Adding to all this, I just didn't understand why my questions were going unanswered. But that's it. I'm done with this topic. Carry on...









Hey, someone has to pick up the slack of longs posts with Francois The Postman now retiring.

 

[The Hitch]

How comes im having a argument with someone and their posts get to stay and my ones get deleted and when i ask about it that gets deleted too. whenever francois deleted or moved a post he would always pm wit an explanation
it aint much but ppl always feel a lot better when they are treated with respect. little gestures big difference.

 

[palmerq]

which ones of polishes posts have remained that should not have?

 

[MacRoadie]

And that should apply even if that info is already "in the public domain." I'm sure most people on here have social networking accounts that have reams of data about their personal lives that they don't have any interest in sharing with this particular community for any variety of reasons. It is not anyone else's prerogative to make the decision to reveal that information for them.

+1

There is a great deal that falls into the "public domain". Names, addresses (zabasearch etc), property titles, business licenses, professional registrations and license data (architects, engineers, doctors, lawyers), you name it. Family members (including minor children), employers, birth, marriage and death certificates, and school data can all be found on publicly accessible sites as well.

Just because something is a matter of "public record" doesn't make it the realm of the CyclingNews forums.

Not to mention good old rule #10:

10. No posting of personal information of other members.

 

[The Hitch]

which ones of polishes posts have remained that should not have?

The one where he says that fans come to the Pro racing forum to talk about Armstrong. Which my next posed proved was clearly not the case.

 

[Anonymous]

+1

There is a great deal that falls into the "public domain". Names, addresses (zabasearch etc), property titles, business licenses, professional registrations and license data (architects, engineers, doctors, lawyers), you name it. Family members (including minor children), employers, birth, marriage and death certificates, and school data can all be found on publicly accessible sites as well.

Just because something is a matter of "public record" doesn't make it the realm of the CyclingNews forums.

Not to mention good old rule #10:

And that should apply even if that info is already "in the public domain." I'm sure most people on here have social networking accounts that have reams of data about their personal lives that they don't have any interest in sharing with this particular community for any variety of reasons. It is not anyone else's prerogative to make the decision to reveal that information for them.

For what its worth, had it been someone else whos details were published I would have caused a stink on their behalf and probably called for a ban and a warning to others.

For instance, someone may make their facebook photos publicly visible, but that does not mean its acceptable to relay them no here. Someone mentioned polish, I know who polish is, but its not my place to make it public on here, thats down to him. The only time i have waived from the rule is with a certain poster with a serious agenda against BC and i have hinted to him that I know why he has that agenda. Something I probably should have been warned for.

I didnt moan about this incidence because frankly, cn were giving a fairly long leash on discussion about that domain registration in question and it was probably best i kept out of it.

The only way to approach it is "what would I do". If i happened to be a moderator on a forum where someone published someone elses personal address, phone number etc.. I would probably ban them

 

[180mmCrank]

+1

Makes sense to me.

T

 

[palmerq]

I dont know either, I doubt anyone removed it, it was showing up as the broken image logo before

 

[pedaling squares]

Hey, I just realized that I still have mod powers in the cyclocross sub-forum. Shows you how often I read that forum. Could be dangerous when I'm drinking, although unfortunately the people who use that sub-forum aren't the ones I'd be looking to mess with.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

A note to people who report a problematic post and get outraged that the mods haven't taken care of it yet:

That only means we hadn't seen the posting. It has been said many times, none of us mods reads every post in every thread. We rely on you to report them.

So please don't accuse us of not doing our jobs or being bad mods (at least based on that!)

Susan

 

[scribe]

Keep in mind, that I can help moderate if you need more eyes.

I can help keep track of things anywhere in the road forums or cafe; especially in The Clinic.

 

[ChrisE]

Mods,

I want to clear up when we can insult.

Is it OK to call a "celebrity" names if they post here? LA gets called all type of things with no punishment. If he posted here would derogatory accusations and name calling be off limits?

Thanks.

 

[Ulle Relaxes]

According to Phil Ligget, Lance lurks on this forum! Lance show yourself and stop the insults.

 

[The Hitch]

According to Phil Ligget, Lance lurks on this forum! Lance show yourself and stop the insults.

Source?

i suppose it would be good motivation for those long ironman triathlons

 

[Ulle Relaxes]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/liggett-on-armstrong-the-whole-investigation-was-a-waste-of-money

it just says cyclingnews

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I'm of course not certain, but I think he goes by the name Big Boat.

Liggett knows who butters his bread in the morning. His allegiance to the omerta has been well discussed and documented both here and on many other sites. I have to wonder how Dan made it through that interview without busting up laughing.

 

[ElChingon]

For a moment I thought I was in the clinic in one of those threads.

So, what does that have to do with moderators?

Or is Lance a Moderator?

 

[Ulle Relaxes]

Without Lance there would be no cyclingnews.

 

[ChrisE]

Mods, can one of you address my question? Thanks.

Mods,

I want to clear up when we can insult.

Is it OK to call a "celebrity" names if they post here? LA gets called all type of things with no punishment. If he posted here would derogatory accusations and name calling be off limits?

Thanks