Money Laundering & Doping In Italy. Armstrong, Menchov named

[MarkvW]

RICO only lifts the protecting corporate veil to expose the decision makers if it is a US corporation.

That is nonsense.

A bunch of Outer Mongolian businessmen, joined together in a corporation, who do criminal acts together in the USA are just as subject to criminal liability as a bunch of Des Moines businessmen doing the same thing.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

That is nonsense.

A bunch of Outer Mongolian businessmen, joined together in a corporation, who do criminal acts together in the USA are just as subject to criminal liability as a bunch of Des Moines businessmen doing the same thing.

That there. That's the kicker...

 

[Velodude]

That is nonsense.

A bunch of Outer Mongolian businessmen, joined together in a corporation, who do criminal acts together in the USA are just as subject to criminal liability as a bunch of Des Moines businessmen doing the same thing.

So if your Outer Mongolian businessmen were carrying on business in the US through an Outer Mongolian corporation then that corporation would need to register in a state as a foreign branch where it proposes to carry on business, employ, open bank accounts, enter into contracts, hold assets including land and maintain its principal office (to accept service of documents).

In effect the Outer Mongolian corporation becomes subject to the State and Federal laws of the US through this foreign branch which must exist for it to carry on business within a state(s) of the US.

If the Outer Mongolian businessmen were conducting criminal activity in the US but not through their Outer Mongolian corporation then they would be individually culpable.

Did you look at the last paragraph referred to concerning Ferrari's financial arrangements in Europe before you leaped into your usual legal lecture haranguing?

 

[Love the Scenery]

Google Translate version of:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/19-10-2012/medico-scarponi-una-sacca-vincevi-912947266709.shtml

THE RUSSIAN - Even Denis Menchov, winner of the 2009 Giro, according to investigators made ​​use of the advice of Ferrari. The Russian Rabobank is intercepted September 19, 2010 while talking on the phone with the attorney Scimone. He says he "will that all cyclists who work with him will be met with Ferrari, in particular Dimitri (perhaps Kozontchuk, ed)."

According to Gazzetta's published excerpts of the Ferrari wiretaps, Denis Menchov not only works with Ferrari, he actively pressures all his team mates (or at least "cyclists who work with him") to use Ferrari, and organizes their connection to Ferrari.

Does this make Menchov an Armstrong-esque figure, not only doping on his own but also pressuring other riders into doping and getting them connected with doping doctors?

 

[skidmark]

Google Translate version of:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/19-10-2012/medico-scarponi-una-sacca-vincevi-912947266709.shtml



According to Gazzetta's published excerpts of the Ferrari wiretaps, Denis Menchov not only works with Ferrari, he actively pressures all his team mates (or at least "cyclists who work with him") to use Ferrari, and organizes their connection to Ferrari.

Does this make Menchov an Armstrong-esque figure, not only doping on his own but also pressuring other riders into doping and getting them connected with doping doctors?

Must've worked too well with Cobo.

 

[Love the Scenery]

Recently linked to Ferrari dope system:

In the Bertagnolli papers
(http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Bertagnolli,+Leonardo,+Witness+Statement.pdf)

Liquigas personnel informed by Bertagnolli that he was going to Ferrari: Amadio, Corsetti

Training at St. Moritz with Ferrari:
Bertolini
"Francesco Moser's nephew"
Gasparotto
Pellizzotti
Chicchi

Training at Livigno with Ferrari:
Vinokourov

In 2007 with Ferrari:
Popovych
Bileka

The "societa Ferrari" at Liquigas, based on discussing Ferrari together:
Kreuziger
Pellizzotti, Gasparotto, and Chicchi

Were tested by Ferrari together with Bertagnolli:
Possoni
Pellizzotti, Gasparotto

In the first Gazzetta article
(http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/17-...i-si-ricicla-tesoro-doping-912938790314.shtml)

Stefano Ferrari
Sports agent Raimondo Scimone, got riders signed up with T&F Sport Management, Monte Carlo
Swiss lawyer Rocco Taminelli
Olympic walking champion Alex Schwarzer
UBS Bank of Neuchâtel director Marco Gigandet
BSI Locarno bank deputy director Edoardo Conceprio

"Entire teams":
Astana,
Radio Shack

Riders:
Scarponi
Menchov
Kolobnev
Gusev
Karpets
Ignatiev
Petrov
Ongarato

Fake contracts between riders and T&F Sports Management (Monte Carlo), allowing teams to pay riders while evading taxes and UCI surety, money which was later used to pay Ferrari:
Pellizzotti
Astana riders
Popovych (on his computer, email evidence of payments from Astana management company to T&F Sports Management)

Second Gazzetta article:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/19-10-2012/medico-scarponi-una-sacca-vincevi-912947266709.shtml

2011 fake contract with T&F Management through which he received 110000 Euros from Lampre:
Michele Scarponi

Speaking to Raimondo Scimone, states he wants all the cyclists who work with him to work with Ferrari:
Denis Menchov

Specifically identified by Menchov as a person he wanted to work with Ferrari:
"Dimitri" (probl Kozontchuk)

 

[Epicycle]

Moser is the new Moser.

 

[BroDeal]

What are the odds of Uran ending up with the Olympic gold medal?

 

[PosterBill]

Recently linked to Ferrari dope system:

In the Bertagnolli papers
(http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Bertagnolli,+Leonardo,+Witness+Statement.pdf)

Liquigas personnel informed by Bertagnolli that he was going to Ferrari: Amadio, Corsetti

Training at St. Moritz with Ferrari:
Bertolini
Moreno Moser
Gasparotto
Pellizzotti
Chicchi

Training at Livigno with Ferrari:
Vinokourov

In 2007 with Ferrari:
Popovych
Bileka

The "societa Ferrari" at Liquigas, based on discussing Ferrari together:
Kreuziger
Pellizzotti, Gasparotto, and Chicchi

Were tested by Ferrari together with Bertagnolli:
Possoni
Pellizzotti, Gasparotto

In the first Gazzetta article
(http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/17-...i-si-ricicla-tesoro-doping-912938790314.shtml)

Stefano Ferrari
Sports agent Raimondo Scimone, got riders signed up with T&F Sport Management, Monte Carlo
Swiss lawyer Rocco Taminelli
Olympic walking champion Alex Schwarzer
UBS Bank of Neuchâtel director Marco Gigandet
BSI Locarno bank deputy director Edoardo Conceprio

"Entire teams":
Astana,
Radio Shack

Riders:
Scarponi
Menchov
Kolobnev
Gusev
Karpets
Ignatiev
Petrov
Ongarato

Fake contracts between riders and T&F Sports Management (Monte Carlo), allowing teams to pay riders while evading taxes and UCI surety, money which was later used to pay Ferrari:
Pellizzotti
Astana riders
Popovych (on his computer, email evidence of payments from Astana management company to T&F Sports Management)

Second Gazzetta article:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/19-10-2012/medico-scarponi-una-sacca-vincevi-912947266709.shtml

2011 fake contract with T&F Management through which he received 110000 Euros from Lampre:
Michele Scarponi

Speaking to Raimondo Scimone, states he wants all the cyclists who work with him to work with Ferrari:
Denis Menchov

Specifically identified by Menchov as a person he wanted to work with Ferrari:
"Dimitri" (probl Kozontchuk)

Is that Vino post suspension? Man that guy makes me sick...surely not

 

[the asian]

Recently linked to Ferrari dope system:

In the Bertagnolli papers
(http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Bertagnolli,+Leonardo,+Witness+Statement.pdf)

Liquigas personnel informed by Bertagnolli that he was going to Ferrari: Amadio, Corsetti

Training at St. Moritz with Ferrari:
Bertolini
Moreno Moser
Gasparotto
Pellizzotti
Chicchi

Training at Livigno with Ferrari:
Vinokourov

Were these riders training with Ferrari this year?

This is Moser's first year as a neo pro and It's hard to believe he would have trained under Ferrari as a junior.

It seems Pozzatto isn't the only idiot out there.

 

[armchairclimber]

Were these riders training with Ferrari this year?

This is Moser's first year as a neo pro and It's hard to believe he would have trained under Ferrari as a junior.

It seems Pozzatto isn't the only idiot out there.

These lists aren't correct. The Hog reckons Wiggo should be in there.

 

[PCutter]

....
UBS Bank of Neuchâtel director Marco Gigandet
BSI Locarno bank deputy director Edoardo Conceprio

If riders and teams are dependant on bankers to keep up the Omerta they are in real trouble. They will rat everyone out if it will keep themselves out of jail

 

[rata de sentina]

These lists aren't correct. The Hog reckons Wiggo should be in there.

Err I don't think the hog suggests wiggo is using ferrari. Even for the hog that would be far fetched.

 

[Fidolix]

Were these riders training with Ferrari this year?

This is Moser's first year as a neo pro and It's hard to believe he would have trained under Ferrari as a junior.

It seems Pozzatto isn't the only idiot out there.

Now Moser´s progress makes sense.

 

[airstream]

Ferrari allegedly understood doping assistance got too dangerous and he decided to expand range of services. To me, this sounds absolutely fabulously. Rather, legal advice and fake contracts were a peculiar trailer to doping practices.

 

[Arnout]

The Moser in the Bertagnolli paper is likely not Moreno, but Leonardo. Moreno was 17 at the time.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Err I don't think the hog suggests wiggo is using ferrari. Even for the hog that would be far fetched.

It's a 100% fact according to him. Nothing's impossible when it comes to doping and riders these days but I, for one, would like to see some evidence.

 

[pmcg76]

Err I don't think the hog suggests wiggo is using ferrari. Even for the hog that would be far fetched.

Yes, Hog is claiming Wiggins is working with Ferrari. Has posted it several times.

 

[happychappy]

Yes, Hog is claiming Wiggins is working with Ferrari. Has posted it several times.

Who was Wiggo working for in 2010? Dr Skoda? He he.

 

[Poursuivant]

If Astana are involved, what are the chances of Contador getting his collar felt??

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Who was Wiggo working for in 2010? Dr Skoda? He he.

Now, that is bad... I mean really bad...

 

[racyrichuk]

Were these riders training with Ferrari this year?

This is Moser's first year as a neo pro and It's hard to believe he would have trained under Ferrari as a junior.

It seems Pozzatto isn't the only idiot out there.

Surely it's Moreno's older brother, Leonardo Moser, then? Pro from 2005 to 2009.

 

[Big Daddy]

OK. How about the US Feds reopening the Federal investigation that was closed earlier this year?

 

[Oldman]

OK. How about the US Feds reopening the Federal investigation that was closed earlier this year?

Give this some time. Noone in Justice is doing much until after the November elections. Why some Republican ****s haven't played up support by Senators Feinstein & Boxer is the electorates current "women's issue" sensitivity. It will come and involve the requisite wire fraud and tax evasion.

 

[Love the Scenery]

The Moser in the Bertagnolli paper is likely not Moreno, but Leonardo. Moreno was 17 at the time.

OK, I amended the original post to reflect the exact phrasing of Bertagnolli's statement, which says it was "Francesco Moser's cyclist nephew."

As for Vinokourov, Bertagnolli witnessed his training with Ferrari in 2006, so is pre-suspension. However, it being pre-suspension means little. Vinokourov was directly involved with both Fuentes and Ferrari, is knowledgeable to the point of expertise on the subject of systematic team doping involving transfusions, EPO, Ferrari, and the whole system. He is totally unacceptable as a team manager. Astana's license should be withdrawn. My guess is, once the formal accusations come out, Astana will cease to exist. More on that later.