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scribe said:Curious. What were the restrictions on testing during most of those years? Stage winner, GC leader, and random. Right? I honestly don't know.
Eva Maria said:It depends on the years. It increased greatly after 2004 and 1998. Normally Stage, GC, Jersey Leaders, 2 randoms. 2-5 OOC per year.
TheArbiter said:Yes people like to stand up for their own integrity and all that, but we must remember that the majority of riders took EPO in the 1990s. It's more a question who was not taking drugs. People outside the sport don't understand this, so obviously Armstrong could never concede this point. In ignorance they would say all his victories were a fraud.
I tend to think he won most of his ToF's clean in any event. You couldn't be that consistent and go that long without getting caught.
scribe said:Now it is pretty much targeted on GC contenders with emphasis on blood passport, right?
TheArbiter said:You couldn't be that consistent and go that long without getting caught.
scribe said:Now it is pretty much targeted on GC contenders with emphasis on blood passport, right?
Franklin said:Pray tell, how could they have caught him when there wasn't a test for epo (and definitely not one for DYNepo)?
So actually... anyone could consistently shoot himself up with EPO all you want without being caught (barring the 50% line ofc).
Eva Maria said:The list is deep, but we are back to were we were in 1999 before the EPO test. Once again the methods that give the greatest return, Transfusions and HGH, are undetectable.
scribe said:They had an opportunity to implement retro-testing for samples until they could develop test in following years. I don't think they were that serious yet about keeping the sport clean. They....being governing bodies in cycling.
Eva Maria said:Ulrich did it.
Franklin said:Pray tell, how could they have caught him when there wasn't a test for epo (and definitely not one for DYNepo)?
So actually... anyone could consistently shoot himself up with EPO all you want without being caught (barring the 50% line ofc).
Well "technically" some could have still doped with various undetectable forms of epo. But many were caught. The big fish on the Tour would have not risked it.TheArbiter said:There's been a test since 2001.
I like to compare Lance's TDF's pre- Dr. Ferrari. He DNF'd in 1993, 94....36th in 1995, and then that DNF in 1996 with his cancer. He was not exactly "superman" apart from the Tour either. He DNF'd Paris-Nice a couple of times and had some other crappy results in Texas this passed winter. He really got it handed to him in some Mtn bike races.TheArbiter said:You couldn't be that consistent and go that long without getting caught.
El Imbatido said:I just noticed froum user ozzie2 just posted a comment on the article, .
Eva Maria said:Give me a day, I will have Betsy stop by the forum and say hi.
lol, this forum would cause here to internally combust.TheArbiter said:No you're okay thanks. To invite someone so controversial that has tried to bring down the biggest name in cycling, for no obvious reason that anyone can work out, would not be welcome. Indeed it would be trollery.
If you want to suck up to her, continue to send her supportive emails. Don't drag down the forum.
TheArbiter said:No you're okay thanks. To invite someone so controversial that has tried to bring down the biggest name in cycling, for no obvious reason that anyone can work out, would not be welcome. Indeed it would be trollery.
If you want to suck up to her, continue to send her supportive emails. Don't drag down the forum.
Dr. Maserati said:It's called integrity.
Why should Betsy Andreu have to lie to protect Lance?
TheArbiter said:Why would she say anything in the first place? That's not lying, that's keeping your nose out, and then she wouldn't have to protect her integrity. Testifying in a court against him was the ultimate betrayal. It's not even clear that Frank wanted to go along with it.
And it does seem odd that they were in the room whilst LA would go into such personal information with the doctors. Does it sound right to you? I guess we'll never know the truth. Sad that they're still caught up in the bitteriness of it.
Eva Maria said:HelmutRoole2/The DangerMan
For a brief moment your trolling was entertaining. Now you just look stupid. Give it a rest.
TheArbiter said:Why would she say anything in the first place? That's not lying, that's keeping your nose out, and then she wouldn't have to protect her integrity. Testifying in a court against him was the ultimate betrayal. It's not even clear that Frank wanted to go along with it.
And it does seem odd that they were in the room whilst LA would go into such personal information with the doctors. Does it sound right to you? I guess we'll never know the truth. Sad that they're still caught up in the bitteriness of it.
Dr. Maserati said:Pretty simple - both Frankie & Betsy were subpoenaed to testify by SCA.
Actually they tried to resist because they claimed that where the original subpoena was issued did not have jurisdiction - so SCA filled another in their home State.
And yes - everything else seems right to me - thanks for asking