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Digger said:Can you please explain to me the motivation in being a troll?
It pisses people off.
Digger said:Can you please explain to me the motivation in being a troll?
coffeebean2 said:In Dr. Nichols' affadavit, he stated that:
1. In multiple doctor-patient interviews, Armstrong never admitted taking performance-enhancing drugs.
2. He began Armstrong's chemotherapy that same day as the alleged admission. He said he and other medical personnel had talked with Armstrong about his medical history.
3. If Armstrong had admitted to taking performance-enhancing drugs, Dr. Nichols would have been aware of it and would have recorded it - "Had I been present at any such 'confession,' I would most certainly have vividly recalled the fact," Nichols said. "I would have recorded such a confession as a matter of form, as indeed, would have my colleagues. None was recorded."
So, in my opinion, there's the kicker. Betsy Andreu testified two doctors came in and Armstrong admitted taking all of the PEDs. If so, why are none of those in Armstrong's medical chart? As Dr. Nichols stated, the PEDs were not recorded.
I don't know about you (you as in the general "you," not you personally), whenever I've gone to the doctor, everything I state as taking, whether it be aspirin, Tylenol, some herbal remedy, or a prescription, is recorded in my chart.
coffeebean2 said:In Dr. Nichols' affadavit, he stated that:
1. In multiple doctor-patient interviews, Armstrong never admitted taking performance-enhancing drugs.
2. He began Armstrong's chemotherapy that same day as the alleged admission. He said he and other medical personnel had talked with Armstrong about his medical history.
3. If Armstrong had admitted to taking performance-enhancing drugs, Dr. Nichols would have been aware of it and would have recorded it - "Had I been present at any such 'confession,' I would most certainly have vividly recalled the fact," Nichols said. "I would have recorded such a confession as a matter of form, as indeed, would have my colleagues. None was recorded."
So, in my opinion, there's the kicker. Betsy Andreu testified two doctors came in and Armstrong admitted taking all of the PEDs. If so, why are none of those in Armstrong's medical chart? As Dr. Nichols stated, the PEDs were not recorded.
I don't know about you (you as in the general "you," not you personally), whenever I've gone to the doctor, everything I state as taking, whether it be aspirin, Tylenol, some herbal remedy, or a prescription, is recorded in my chart.
coffeebean2 said:In Dr. Nichols' affadavit, he stated that:
1. In multiple doctor-patient interviews, Armstrong never admitted taking performance-enhancing drugs.
2. He began Armstrong's chemotherapy that same day as the alleged admission. He said he and other medical personnel had talked with Armstrong about his medical history.
3. If Armstrong had admitted to taking performance-enhancing drugs, Dr. Nichols would have been aware of it and would have recorded it - "Had I been present at any such 'confession,' I would most certainly have vividly recalled the fact," Nichols said. "I would have recorded such a confession as a matter of form, as indeed, would have my colleagues. None was recorded."
So, in my opinion, there's the kicker. Betsy Andreu testified two doctors came in and Armstrong admitted taking all of the PEDs. If so, why are none of those in Armstrong's medical chart? As Dr. Nichols stated, the PEDs were not recorded.
I don't know about you (you as in the general "you," not you personally), whenever I've gone to the doctor, everything I state as taking, whether it be aspirin, Tylenol, some herbal remedy, or a prescription, is recorded in my chart.
coffeebean2 said:In Dr. Nichols' affadavit, he stated that:
1. In multiple doctor-patient interviews, Armstrong never admitted taking performance-enhancing drugs.
2. He began Armstrong's chemotherapy that same day as the alleged admission. He said he and other medical personnel had talked with Armstrong about his medical history.
3. If Armstrong had admitted to taking performance-enhancing drugs, Dr. Nichols would have been aware of it and would have recorded it - "Had I been present at any such 'confession,' I would most certainly have vividly recalled the fact," Nichols said. "I would have recorded such a confession as a matter of form, as indeed, would have my colleagues. None was recorded."
So, in my opinion, there's the kicker. Betsy Andreu testified two doctors came in and Armstrong admitted taking all of the PEDs. If so, why are none of those in Armstrong's medical chart? As Dr. Nichols stated, the PEDs were not recorded.
I don't know about you (you as in the general "you," not you personally), whenever I've gone to the doctor, everything I state as taking, whether it be aspirin, Tylenol, some herbal remedy, or a prescription, is recorded in my chart.
Dr. Maserati said:Could you post a link or say where this information is? I know I have read this somewhere but cannot remember where, thank's.
The contribution of Dr. Nichol's testimony has been argued on another (multiple) thread.
Betsy Andreu was shown photo's of Dr. Nichol's and state's that he was not one of those Doctor's in the room - and of course the record's are not in the public domain.
coffeebean2 said:Sure thing. Here it is:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2006-06-23-armstrong-allegations_x.htm
Dr. Maserati said:The contribution of Dr. Nichol's testimony has been argued on another (multiple) thread.
Betsy Andreu was shown photo's of Dr. Nichol's and state's that he was not one of those Doctor's in the room - and of course the record's are not in the public domain.
Publicus said:Just for the record, Dr. Nichols wasn't in the room with the Andreu's correct?
Eva Maria said:wasn't his doctor until a week later, Armstrongs complete records were never produced, Nichols Group got a nice Million $ "donation" right after his testimony. 2 other people who were in the room confirmed Betsy and Frankie's recollection.
coffeebean2 said:My immediate thought is, since the lawyers for SCA (I'm assuming?) showed Betsy Andreu photos of Dr. Nichols, and she testified he wasn't one of the doctors, then how come they didn't try to find the doctors who questioned Armstrong to corroborate Betsy and Frankie's testimonies? Or perhaps the lawyers did try and couldn't find the doctors?
coffeebean2 said:If Nichols wasn't Armstrong's doctor until a week later, then how could Nichols begin Armstrong's treatment the same day as the alleged confession?
Who was the other person in the room to allegedly confirm the Andreau's testimony, besides McIlvain? Serious question - I've only seen (read) McIlvain as the only person who could have possibly confirmed.
scribe said:Question:
How is it so much attention is focused around what Frankie heard at that moment, and why isn't he testifying about what he saw racing with Armstrong all those years? One seems to be something that people might mistake about what they heard. The other, no way Frankie didn't see some evidence of doping during his lieutenant years in an around the team.
scribe said:Question:
How is it so much attention is focused around what Frankie heard at that moment, and why isn't he testifying about what he saw racing with Armstrong all those years? One seems to be something that people might mistake about what they heard. The other, no way Frankie didn't see some evidence of doping during his lieutenant years in an around the team.
scribe said:Question:
How is it so much attention is focused around what Frankie heard at that moment, and why isn't he testifying about what he saw racing with Armstrong all those years? One seems to be something that people might mistake about what they heard. The other, no way Frankie didn't see some evidence of doping during his lieutenant years in an around the team.
red_flanders said:Because he was deposed for the former, and would have to be voluntarily snitching on his former teammates for no apparent reason in the latter. Makes sense to me.
Dr. Maserati said:Andreu admitted to using EPO in 1999, in the USPS team but that doesnt mean his is privy to what other riders are doing.
In most cases within a team they are never sure as to who is definitley doping - all the doping is done privatley, usually in a seperate room.
Dr. Maserati said:Actually Betsy had her comment's removed from the comments box from [url="http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jun/28/lance-armstrong-comeback']this[/url]piece in The Gaurdian after calling in to question John Wilcockson ethics in writing a new [url="http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/jul/19/lance-armstrong-world-s-greatest-champion']book[/url] on LA.
But don't worry - here is the deleted comment:
betsyandreu wrote:
The truth is quite uncomfortable to Mr. Wilcockson so he simply decides not to even go near it.
At the Tour of California in 2008, Mr. Wilcockson asked my husband if he wanted to talk about the "old times" he shared with Lance Armstrong for a book he was writing on him. My husband declined. Mind you, this was February 2008 and Mr. Wilcockson wanted to talk to my husband about Mr. Armstrong as he put it "from a rider's perspective".
Fast forward to the spring of 2009. Someone who had a copy of Mr. Wilcockson's book read me a passage pertaining to me. On page 355 , Mr. Wilcockson singles me out as being the only person in that hospital room to have heard lance admit to using performance enhancing drugs to the doctor who asked him the question which evoked his response that he had used such doping products. I was never the only person to testify to this or even admit it happened. Mr. Wilcockson's wilfull ommission of the truth is despicable. I told Mr. Wilcockson by phone and by e-mail that I thought the omission of my husband's testimony was deceitful. Not only did my husband, Frankie, testify the same as I - that lance did indeed tell the doctors he used performance enhancing drugs (and elaborated which ones he did use) but so did Stephanie McIlvain in a phone conversation to Greg LeMond (although she would later lie about it under oath even though there's proof of this conversation). "Telling him (Frankie) in 2008 you wanted to talk to him about the good ole days is far far different than asking him to explain his deposition where he states he knows lance doped," is what I wrote Mr. Wilcockson in an e-mail. Omitting Frankie's name is nothing but disingenuous and unethical.
Mr. Wilcockson wanted to talk to my husband about one thing in February of 2008. When he was commissioned by Mr. Armstrong to write this biography later on that year, he never contacted me or Frankie about that which he wrote in the book pertaining to the hospital room. Never. Instead, Mr. Wilcockson outright lies by writing in this hagiography that I was the only person in the hospital room to hear lance admit to using performance enhancing drugs.
Mr. Wilcockson has been duplicitous. He has perpetuated the lie and distorted the truth at the expense of others. His integrity is so lacking that it's pathetic
scribe said:You honestly believe these guys don't discuss what they are doing, what works, what doesn't, how much to take, what is the next item, who to go to, where to go to them, how much it costs, how to mask, etc, etc?
scribe said:You honestly believe these guys don't discuss what they are doing, what works, what doesn't, how much to take, what is the next item, who to go to, where to go to them, how much it costs, how to mask, etc, etc?
scribe said:You honestly believe these guys don't discuss what they are doing, what works, what doesn't, how much to take, what is the next item, who to go to, where to go to them, how much it costs, how to mask, etc, etc?