Most overrated (good) rider in the peloton?

[pastronef]

Tao would have at least a Giro podium more if not for his bad crash last year

 

[AmRacer]

Exactly. That's why they are "good" riders as in the thread title.
But they are unable to win anything else, despite being eternal favorites based on their "former glory" = overrated imho

Tour of the Alps

 

[Peyroteo94]

Remco is a overrated rider too. Expectations were extremely high for him since his youth. I don't see him winning a Tour in the future (in fact I have my doubts if we will ever see Remco winning another GT)

 

[Froome]

Remco is a overrated rider too. Expectations were extremely high for him since his youth. I don't see him winning a Tour in the future (in fact I have my doubts if we will ever see Remco winning another GT)

Imagine someone calling a former World champion, winner of LBL and winner of a Vuelta, a overrated rider. At least we can laugh a bit.

 

[Red Rick]

Overrated is a relative term. Its not hard at all.

 

[Netserk]

Overrated is a relative term. Its not hard at all.

It's like conditional statements. Most people fail the basics.

It's true that: "If it rains, then the Moon is Earth's only natural satellite." Thus the contrapositive is trivially true, but most people just don't get it.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Remco is a overrated rider too. Expectations were extremely high for him since his youth. I don't see him winning a Tour in the future (in fact I have my doubts if we will ever see Remco winning another GT)

hmm. I wouldn't say overrated.

Maybe wrongly rated. As in more of a GT rider while I think he's actually better at one day races and weekly stage races. Doesn't seem super consistent in high mountains.

But he's already double world champion, lbl winner etc etc etc

 

[topcat]

It's like conditional statements. Most people fail the basics.

It's true that: "If it rains, then the Moon is Earth's only natural satellite." Thus the contrapositive is trivially true, but most people just don't get it.

IF A then B is equivalent to if not B then not A.
Logic is your friend
This is about as appropriate as tennis is on a cycling forum

 

[Red Rick]

IF A then B is equivalent to if not B then not A.
Logic is your friend
This is about as appropriate as tennis is on a cycling forum

I feel violated

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Why is Vingegaard not in this list, lol.

 

[Froome]

Why is Vingegaard not in this list, lol.

Because he don't deserve. He is rated correctly.

 

[Ripper]

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[Krzysztof_O]

Because he don't deserve. He is rated correctly.

Most aerobically efficient rider ever can't even win a GT against his own domestique. The poor man's Wiggins.

 

[NeraBerg13]

Out of those on the list, its absolutely Pidcock. He's not anywhere near the level he demands to be held at, hence why INIOS cut losses, and to be clear I am not a fan of inios at all so this is entirely objective not at all done because prefer one party to the other.

Pidcock acts like he's already winning Grand Tours and that working as a team is for those not as good while actually having only really got results that Pro Tour teams have listed. Sure there's been the odd stand out performance but that's it, stand outs.

However there is one rider I feel needs to be on the list that isn't. Girmay. Now this is where gets a bit complex as what he achieved and the historic value makes very hard to deem him over rated or having got more attention than should, however there's literally no reason he should still be so high in rankings and a constant favourite in sprints. He simply sucks. He's inconsistent and even when gets a decent result, that's hoping for top 5 not podium. Many lower ranked sprinters semi regularly achive that aim of top 5.

 

[Red Rick]

Out of those on the list, its absolutely Pidcock. He's not anywhere near the level he demands to be held at, hence why INIOS cut losses, and to be clear I am not a fan of inios at all so this is entirely objective not at all done because prefer one party to the other.

Pidcock acts like he's already winning Grand Tours and that working as a team is for those not as good while actually having only really got results that Pro Tour teams have listed. Sure there's been the odd stand out performance but that's it, stand outs.

However there is one rider I feel needs to be on the list that isn't. Girmay. Now this is where gets a bit complex as what he achieved and the historic value makes very hard to deem him over rated or having got more attention than should, however there's literally no reason he should still be so high in rankings and a constant favourite in sprints. He simply sucks. He's inconsistent and even when gets a decent result, that's hoping for top 5 not podium. Many lower ranked sprinters semi regularly achive that aim of top 5.

Disagree on Pidcock, he's just a Bettini type in the wrong era in my opinion.

I agree on Girmay, especially if he doesn't perform this next TdF.

 

[NeraBerg13]

Disagree on Pidcock, he's just a Bettini type in the wrong era in my opinion.

I agree on Girmay, especially if he doesn't perform this next TdF.

I understand what saying about Pidcock but thats half why he is overrated. He's riding for a different era. He doesn't ride for the modern day pelaton. Which means he'll never achive the level needs to be anything other than over rated in my view.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

I'm not too sure who I think are overrated. I've been critical of Pidcock in the past, but I think his star has faded while he has improved, so I actually think that he's rated accordingly at the moment.

Underrated I'm gonna go with Ayuso, Van Aert and Evenepoel.

 

[Red Rick]

Some thoughts rereading this thread right now

1. Pidcock won it last year and proceeded to win one of the biggest non Big 5 victories soon after
2. De Lie has done absolutely nothing since getting 2nd in this
3. Girmay somehow managed to have an insane TdF nobody expected but is all the way back where he was reputation wise
4. Ayuso inversely did absolutely nothing in the rest of 2024 but then he was good in Feb-April again and now his stock is back where it was.
5. Roglic is still washed every February/March, then so back in early April, then almost quitting cycling in July, and then I never doubted him in August/September.
6. It's also clear that the most overrated rider around the time this poll was made didn't even make the poll - and thus it's correct to say he was mega overrated by everyone. And he is Sepp Kuss.
7. Simon Yates getting signed by Visma got quite a bit of expectations IMO that he could become one of the best of the mortals again, but that don't seem like it's happening.
8. Enric Mas is the most overrated rider for 3 weeks every single year. He's definitely looking great in some red jersey's wheel and gonna drop him hard in the high mountains this year
9. At what point do we give Hindley ***, was he never rated highly enough or is his window of being overrated over?
10. Is Philipsen a crazy shout considering his sprinting is now clearly below Milan and Merlier and he can't get a classics result without a Mother-Of-The-Year babysitting job by Van der Poel

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Some thoughts rereading this thread right now

1. Pidcock won it last year and proceeded to win one of the biggest non Big 5 victories soon after
2. De Lie has done absolutely nothing since getting 2nd in this
3. Girmay somehow managed to have an insane TdF nobody expected but is all the way back where he was reputation wise
4. Ayuso inversely did absolutely nothing in the rest of 2024 but then he was good in Feb-April again and now his stock is back where it was.
5. Roglic is still washed every February/March, then so back in early April, then almost quitting cycling in July, and then I never doubted him in August/September.
6. It's also clear that the most overrated rider around the time this poll was made didn't even make the poll - and thus it's correct to say he was mega overrated by everyone. And he is Sepp Kuss.
7. Simon Yates getting signed by Visma got quite a bit of expectations IMO that he could become one of the best of the mortals again, but that don't seem like it's happening.
8. Enric Mas is the most overrated rider for 3 weeks every single year. He's definitely looking great in some red jersey's wheel and gonna drop him hard in the high mountains this year
9. At what point do we give Hindley ***, was he never rated highly enough or is his window of being overrated over?
10. Is Philipsen a crazy shout considering his sprinting is now clearly below Milan and Merlier and he can't get a classics result without a Mother-Of-The-Year babysitting job by Van der Poel

S. Yates is a good shout, as is Mas and Hindley. De Lie I don't think anyone really have any expectations for right now. Long term? Sure, but that's totally fair. I don't see anyone overrate - or even rate - Kuss at all. Philipsen won Omloop this year, so I don't really get that argument.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

At what point do we give Hindley ***, was he never rated highly enough or is his window of being overrated over?

Hindley had a Giro second place, a Giro win and a Tour where he was the best of the mortals until he crashed in the span of three years, the fact that he's regressed badly since then (on a team where most riders have regressed in the same period, no less) doesn't mean he was overrated at the time.

De Lie I don't think anyone really have any expectations for right now. Long term? Sure, but that's totally fair. I don't see anyone overrate - or even rate - Kuss at all. Philipsen won Omloop this year, so I don't really get that argument.

You are missing RR's point, which was about who was overrated *at the time of the poll*, at least where De Lie and Kuss are concerned . Both were rated way higher 13 months ago, especially the former.

Also, Philipsen's 'classic' win was Kuurne in a big sprint where Milan and Merlier were both out of position, and that is the only thing he's done all year. Him not being able to beat Waerenskjold and Magnier in a sprint in the tamest Omloop of all time is a strike against him if anything. I did bring him up when this thread was originally made, seems to me like it was merited.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Hindley had a Giro second place, a Giro win and a Tour where he was the best of the mortals until he crashed in the span of three years, the fact that he's regressed badly since then (on a team where most riders have regressed in the same period, no less) doesn't mean he was overrated at the time.


You are missing RR's point, which was about who was overrated *at the time of the poll*, at least where De Lie and Kuss are concerned . Both were rated way higher 13 months ago, especially the former.

Also, Philipsen's 'classic' win was Kuurne in a big sprint where Milan and Merlier were both out of position, and that is the only thing he's done all year. Him not being able to beat Waerenskjold and Magnier in a sprint in the tamest Omloop of all time is a strike against him if anything. I did bring him up when this thread was originally made, seems to me like it was merited.

Philipsen's win was indeed in Kuurne. For some reason, I thought it was Omloop. That definitely is a minus for him.

If that was indeed Red Rick's point, then I missed it, yes. However, I don't see much point in discussing who was overrated a year ago, I must say.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Also, if we include how riders rate themselves, then Mads Pedersen should get 100% of the votes after this spring.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Also, if we include how riders rate themselves, then Mads Pedersen should get 100% of the votes after this spring.

If we include how riders rate themselves, Pedersen is a distant second to Ben O'Connor.

 

[Red Rick]

If we include how riders rate themselves, Pedersen is a distant second to Ben O'Connor.

Does he have a history of weird self overration or are we basing this entirely on "Roglic needs to get a lot of bonus seconds to beat me"

 

[Cycling111]

I'm not too sure who I think are overrated. I've been critical of Pidcock in the past, but I think his star has faded while he has improved, so I actually think that he's rated accordingly at the moment.

Underrated I'm gonna go with Ayuso, Van Aert and Evenepoel.

How can Remco be underrated when there are comments on this forum (Pogacar´s thread) saying it's impossible to guarantee he's not inferior to Pogacar in the Tour because they've only competed once, or that he's a candidate for the 5 Monuments when he's said he hates the cobbles and there's no evidence he can do it.
Before PR, there were comments saying that Pogacar wouldn't even make the top five in Roubaix, and after Sunday, they're putting Remco forward as a candidate for PR (5 monuments). The assessment of Remco is immediate, even in races he doesn't participate in and he claims to hate.

Remco is valued because he's very good, but he's also being assessed for abilities he hasn't yet demonstrated, such as putting him as a candidate for the 5 Monuments and putting him in GT at leevl with a rider who has 3 Tours and 1 Giro.

Ayuso may be more questionable, but the UAE has given him the lead in the GT which Pogacar won't be doing this year. Since he was 20, he´s been the second leader in every race in a team that includes Almeida and Yates.. I have another idea about underrated.
Many people and media considered him a candidate for the TDF podium last year.
In 2023, considered him candidated to be second in Vuelta.

For me, Van Aert is overrated since 2023.
He's a good rider, but since 2023, he's no longer the favorite for anything. Every year, the press talks about the duel with Van der Poel in cyclocross, even though he's already wo1/15 in two years against Van der Poel
and in those 14 races the gap between them has been enormous. He's not even Van der Poel´s greatest rival in Flanders.

It's a duel that's long gone. In 2026, they shouldn't be promoting a duel with Van der Poel in either cyclocross or road racing.