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arnaud

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El Pistolero said:
Lol, he's never had to. And watch him climb the Angliru and then tell me he's overrated as a climber.

This is modern day cycling. Not the EPO era or the Merckx era anymore. Under that logic every GT contender is overrated. You just do'nt attack early on in the mountains to ride solo for 100km, because you'll pay the price the next day.
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i don't agree, dear pistolero: he has to :first, because any of his sucess in the big tour has been very tight , second , because of the famous "panache".
I think he manages and he's not sure of his capaties to lead a rallye
look at the giro 2010 where liquigas was very aggressive because they have to: i don't believe in era but in champions and contador is not a really one
and he spent the last two tdf to behave as a "little boy"and threaten when armstrong or schleck complains about him
anyway he's not a boss . Vino is a champ , that's sure and however is less strong thna contador
 
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I wouldn't say Hincapie is overrated. He's a good domestique and has always been considered just that by most people.
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I guess you don't watch OLN or read VeloNews.
 
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theyoungest said:
Who rates him? He's a fairly limited rider who's used these limited capabilities to win a Tour stage and get a podium at Amstel, among other things. Apart from that, he's mainly known in Holland for saying he had great legs, but somehow forgetting to use them.
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podium at Gold Race & Fleche, strong finals in LBL, WC and if I remember correctly Lombardia. Frankfurt isn't the best win in the world, but not that many guys win two years in a row on that level and it proves he can win. He does not dominates races year after year, but has shown his face at the top some times spread over the years...
 
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Dekker_Tifosi

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I don't agree with the whole 'Leipheimer is overrated' thing. If anything, he suprised me with his career results, especially in 2007/2008 that is.
Now he's old and on his way back. But in 2007 I didn't expect him to podium in the Tour de France, and he was only, what, 40 seconds from yellow? In the final mountain stage he even beat his own teammate Contador and finished 2nd to Rasmussen. He was often the 3rd/4th best climber / best of the rest that year.

After his Rabobank/Gerolsteiner years that came as a suprise to me. Because really all he had ever done was finishing 8/9th etc those years.
In 2008 he was again very good in the Vuelta, even while working for Contador he beat him in the final MOUNTAIN ITT (!), again a sign of how strong Leipheimer recuperates, stronger than most riders in a GT. And finishing 2nd, again not too far behind Contador (I believe again within a minute?).

From 2009 on he didn't do as well anymore and especially showed a lack of consistency in mountain stages which I think is simply because of old age.
But too call him overrated? Nah. I think he pretty much got the maximum out of his career considering his possibilities.
Ofcourse a bit helped by OP and other scandals. (many opponents who were superior were suddenly gone)
 
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The Hitch

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Dekker_Tifosi said:
I don't agree with the whole 'Leipheimer is overrated' thing. If anything, he suprised me with his career results, especially in 2007/2008 that is.
Now he's old and on his way back. But in 2007 I didn't expect him to podium in the Tour de France, and he was only, what, 40 seconds from yellow? In the final mountain stage he even beat his own teammate Contador and finished 2nd to Rasmussen. He was often the 3rd/4th best climber / best of the rest that year.

After his Rabobank/Gerolsteiner years that came as a suprise to me. Because really all he had ever done was finishing 8/9th etc those years.
In 2008 he was again very good in the Vuelta, even while working for Contador he beat him in the final MOUNTAIN ITT (!), again a sign of how strong Leipheimer recuperates, stronger than most riders in a GT. And finishing 2nd, again not too far behind Contador (I believe again within a minute?).

From 2009 on he didn't do as well anymore and especially showed a lack of consistency in mountain stages which I think is simply because of old age.
But too call him overrated? Nah. I think he pretty much got the maximum out of his career considering his possibilities.
Ofcourse a bit helped by OP and other scandals. (many opponents who were superior were suddenly gone)
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Pretty much agree with this. Exactly what i was thinking.
 
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I don't get the impression VeloNews has a big European readership. I sometimes read it for a laugh.
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Same here.

The biggest laugh was an article after the Beijing olympics where they called Phinney an american hero for riding for the good of his country while having a life-threatning illness (he had had a slight cold days previously), and mused how he would've won the Elite pursuit had he been healthy (again, the cold was behind him).

They're extremely biased, but that article just broke all records. It read like it was written on April 1st.

Dekker_Tifosi said:
I don't agree with the whole 'Leipheimer is overrated' thing. If anything, he suprised me with his career results, especially in 2007/2008 that is.
Now he's old and on his way back. But in 2007 I didn't expect him to podium in the Tour de France, and he was only, what, 40 seconds from yellow? In the final mountain stage he even beat his own teammate Contador and finished 2nd to Rasmussen. He was often the 3rd/4th best climber / best of the rest that year.

After his Rabobank/Gerolsteiner years that came as a suprise to me. Because really all he had ever done was finishing 8/9th etc those years.
In 2008 he was again very good in the Vuelta, even while working for Contador he beat him in the final MOUNTAIN ITT (!), again a sign of how strong Leipheimer recuperates, stronger than most riders in a GT. And finishing 2nd, again not too far behind Contador (I believe again within a minute?).

From 2009 on he didn't do as well anymore and especially showed a lack of consistency in mountain stages which I think is simply because of old age.
But too call him overrated? Nah. I think he pretty much got the maximum out of his career considering his possibilities.
Ofcourse a bit helped by OP and other scandals. (many opponents who were superior were suddenly gone)
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I agree completely. He tends to get the short end of the stick despite some impressive accomplishments.

Has he made the most of all his talent? Certainly not, but that doesn't mean his results haven't been excellent.

You know who's really overrated? Ruben Lampe.
Named 15th best MTBer in the world with literally no results...ever. Pffft....
 
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People might see Bottle as overrated because of his inconsistency (like going missing one week of a GT then on fire in the next) and his inability to string together strong overall performances at any stage in his career.

If you look at him as a genuine GC threat 2006-2010 then he probably is overrated. But he shouldn't be seen as a top threat, if you look at him as being a 2nd-tier GC rider then he's probably matched expectations.
 
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issoisso said:
Same here.

The biggest laugh was an article after the Beijing olympics where they called Phinney an american hero for riding for the good of his country while having a life-threatning illness (he had had a slight cold days previously), and mused how he would've won the Elite pursuit had he been healthy (again, the cold was behind him).

They're extremely biased, but that article just broke all records. It read like it was written on April 1st.



I agree completely. He tends to get the short end of the stick despite some impressive accomplishments.

Has he made the most of all his talent? Certainly not, but that doesn't mean his results haven't been excellent.

You know who's really overrated? Ruben Lampe.
Named 15th best MTBer in the world with literally no results...ever. Pffft....
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I call that impressive, being 15th and 19th at the Cyclingnews readers polls for MTB, while never have ridden a competitive MTB race in his life.
That's pure skill, potential to win all GT's, all classics and all sprints obviously.
Too bad he seems to be too lazy to ever train
 
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I call that impressive, being 15th and 19th at the Cyclingnews readers polls for MTB, while never have ridden a competitive MTB race in his life.
That's pure skill, potential to win all GT's, all classics and all sprints obviously.
Too bad he seems to be too lazy to ever train
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It's his height. He's still trying to buy a door he can manage to walk out of.
And it's hard to ride a bike indoors.
 
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issoisso said:
The biggest laugh was an article after the Beijing olympics where they called Phinney an american hero for riding for the good of his country while having a life-threatning illness (he had had a slight cold days previously), and mused how he would've won the Elite pursuit had he been healthy (again, the cold was behind him).

They're extremely biased, but that article just broke all records. It read like it was written on April 1st.
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I go with that. Phinney is overhyped and Geraint Thomas would of kicked his **** one way or the other anyway.

Some Aussie riders like Cameron Meyer, Bobridge, Durbridge are equally as good as Phinny but nobody goes overboard on them. Well maybe apart from ACF .;)
 
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sublimit

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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Yeah those ozzie's have mad talent all over. Not only TT, but also climbers, sprinters, and classics specialists, talent enough there.
Although I usually advise not to admit that out loud because ACF will be unbearable
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They have enough quality riders for 2 or 3 teams put together so you have to hand to it to them.
Their cricket team is rubbish but they have bike riders for some reason.
 
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Ferminal said:
People might see Bottle as overrated because of his inconsistency (like going missing one week of a GT then on fire in the next) and his inability to string together strong overall performances at any stage in his career.

If you look at him as a genuine GC threat 2006-2010 then he probably is overrated. But he shouldn't be seen as a top threat, if you look at him as being a 2nd-tier GC rider then he's probably matched expectations.
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Well prior to each Tour he talks himself up as being one of the contenders. He consistently indicates that it's his hope to sneak in under the radar and steal the Tour. The US cycling media (Velonews) always feels the need to talk him up as being in its list of gc contenders (at the Tour) although not as a favorite. This year his Tour performance was far below expectations and his overall year had to be a disappointment especially with his not winning the ToC.
 
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I would say Greipel is one of the most underrated cyclists in the peloton...
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Well, we shall see next year. Many portray him as the equal of Cavendish (even though he rarely beats Farrar or Pettachi). Personally, I think he's someone who absolutely needs a lead-out to win, and even then he gets lost too often.

My prediction is that he will never win a stage of the Tour.
 
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Wow...someone started a thread just so we could all say how bad Cadel is....props!

Mambo95 said:
Well, we shall see next year. Many portray him as the equal of Cavendish (even though he rarely beats Farrar or Pettachi). Personally, I think he's someone who absolutely needs a lead-out to win, and even then he gets lost too often.

My prediction is that he will never win a stage of the Tour.
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Ok....much as it pains me to say anything remotely complimentary about the hobbit....but he is without doubt the fastest sprinter in the peloton at a GT at the present time....and will probably be the most successful of all time. God I feel like I need a bath after saying that.

Despite that....Mambo that is a pretty big prediction to make for the second most successful sprinter in the world at present. He has won stages at every other GT he has raced. And has just moved to a team where his lead out is going to be arguably better equiped than Cavenidish's will be next year. Of course he will win a tour stage at some point. That's like seriously trying to argue that Cadel isn't the most over rated rider of the last decade (despite actually having had his most successful year;))

Actually....in all seriousness....Ballan, Leipheimer, Rogers, Millar, Farrar, actually more or less everyone at Garmin and putting in a late charge....my personal fave....Wiggins:D
 
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Rujano

Every time a difficult and mountainous route for the Giro is announced, some people will automatically start hoping that Rujano will come to the Giro and show sopmething spectacular. All of this is based just on one race - 2005 Giro, when Rujano took 3rd, probably because of very heavy doping. In my opinion the guy is not even worth discussing

Other than that, I agree with many posters that Pozzato is the most overrated rider
 
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