Most ridiculous performances/races of the Rio Olympics

[Netserk]

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Winning a medal in the world's biggest sporting event, the Olympics. Something Cav accomplished and Nibali never will.

https://m.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/4xvz22/mark_cavendish_causes_a_crash_at_the_olympics/

Well, somebody would probably say that Nibali caused a crash as well

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Winning a medal in the world's biggest sporting event, the Olympics. Something Cav accomplished and Nibali never will.

https://m.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/4xvz22/mark_cavendish_causes_a_crash_at_the_olympics/

Get off it. Obviously I'm biased but it wasn't deliberate and **** like that happens all the time on the track. No way it should have been a disqualification, and if you're DQing Cav for that, you can also DQ Viviani for the exact same manoeuvre on Boudat, who stayed upright due to better bike handling and awareness than Park

 

[The Hitch]

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Well that's your opinion. Ventoux is indeed more prestigious, but 3 stages is easily a bigger achievement than Ventoux on it's own, and 1 flat stage is more prestigious than if a breakaway won on Ventoux. Again, that's just my opinion.

When I used to have a more romantic view of cycling, I would have argued that a Ventoux win is indeed bigger. Because 30 years from now they may still replay you winning the Ventoux (in reality the way it is going, 10 years from now only your national tv will replay it and everyone else will ignore any race someone from that country didn't win).
Like, I remember that Indurain won on Luz, even though I wasn't around, or Jallaber in Mend, or that Pantani set the Alpe records every odd numbered year or that he attacked the first time they did Mortirolo. Coppi on Alpe. The dutch on Alpe and of course Mayo.
Of the thousands of people to have posted in the clinic I doubt there is anyone who doesn't know who won on Hautecam in 1996, and only a handful won't know who won on Arcalis in 1997, Les Deux Alpes 1998 and Sestrieres 1999

Part of it is of course also that we measure the times and the best ones go down in history.

I don't have a clue who the sprinters were at the time. I had a convo with someone even more into cycling then me a few weeks ago and he asked - who is that german guy who won those green jerseys and got caught doping and then worked with HTC. We both knew who it was but had to look the name up

 

[deValtos]

Does anyone have a video of Almaz Ayana in the 10k?

All video seems to have dissapeared off the face of the earth.

 

[El Pistolero]

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Bolt's events only take around 10 to 20 seconds. Cav's events take around 5-7 hours with the same amount of action as the events Bolt participates in (if not less). That's why nobody gives a **** about Cav outside of Great Britain. The 100m in track & field is considered the most prestigious event. Winning the Tour is considered the most prestigious thing in cycling. Something Nibali accomplished and Cav never will.

Winning a medal in the world's biggest sporting event, the Olympics. Something Cav accomplished and Nibali never will.

Sprinters belong on the track, not the road. Cycling could become a bigger sport if we'd ditch all flat stages entirely. Not everything needs to be mountainous of course, just add some hills to the final to give more riders a chance for victory.

And Cav's an unpleasant character pretty much all the time. He has shown that on and off the road plenty of times.

Winning on Mont Ventoux is worth about 5 flat stages if you ask me, if not more.

Well that's your opinion. Ventoux is indeed more prestigious, but 3 stages is easily a bigger achievement than Ventoux on it's own, and 1 flat stage is more prestigious than if a breakaway won on Ventoux. Again, that's just my opinion.

Flat roads make up the majority of all terrain in any given country. If anything there are too many hills mountains and cobbles because this does not reflect the true proportion of terrain found naturally. So to completely exclude flat finishes is ridiculous, because they should be, and are, an important part of cycling. What you're saying is route organisers should completely discriminate against those guys who have amazing explosivity, bike handling skills and aerodynamics in favour of endurance athletes who are all 100% reliant on doping. At least there's an element of skill to sprinting (and descending for that matter) which can never be improved due to doping

Nibali said he didn't want to win a silver of bronze medal, he wanted gold and risked everything in the descent. So I doubt he's jealous about Cav's silver in an obscure small sport.

Sprinters not doped? Sprinting in track & field are easily the dirtiest events there are. I doubt it's much different in cycling.

And yes, I'm saying organizers should exclude cyclists who can't survive the Poggio nine out of ten times.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Nibali said he didn't want to win a silver of bronze medal, he wanted gold and risked everything in the descent. So I doubt he's jealous about Cav's silver in an obscure small sport.

Sprinters not doped? Sprinting in track & field are easily the dirtiest events there are. I doubt it's much different in cycling.

And yes, I'm saying organizers should exclude cyclists who can't survive the Poggio nine out of ten times.

Not saying sprinters aren't doped, nor am I suggesting Cav is clean. But there's so much technique and tactics involved in a bunch sprint, and it doesn't come down to who's willing to experiment with the lab the most, unlike the more endurance based disciplines of climbing, which are pretty much pure endurance, strongest guy wins.

And you seem to highly underestimate the endurance required to even sit in the bunch for 225km on pan flat roads and still have enough left in the tank to accelerate to 60 km/h. Cav would drop pretty much all amateurs and a decent number of pros up hills like the Poggio with ease, but even on proper climbs like the Col d'Aspin, he'd still smoke 99% of amateurs

And fwiw, technically speaking, Cav is still faster than someone like Nibali in a sprint after 300km and the poggio and cipressa etc. Not bad for someone who can't survive it

 

[blackcat]

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Nibali said he didn't want to win a silver of bronze medal, he wanted gold and risked everything in the descent. So I doubt he's jealous about Cav's silver in an obscure small sport.

Sprinters not doped? Sprinting in track & field are easily the dirtiest events there are. I doubt it's much different in cycling.

And yes, I'm saying organizers should exclude cyclists who can't survive the Poggio nine out of ten times.

Not saying sprinters aren't doped, nor am I suggesting Cav is clean. But there's so much technique and tactics involved in a bunch sprint, and it doesn't come down to who's willing to experiment with the lab the most, unlike the more endurance based disciplines of climbing, which are pretty much pure endurance, strongest guy wins.

And you seem to highly underestimate the endurance required to even sit in the bunch for 225km on pan flat roads and still have enough left in the tank to accelerate to 60 km/h. Cav would drop pretty much all amateurs and a decent number of pros up hills like the Poggio with ease, but even on proper climbs like the Col d'Aspin, he'd still smoke 99% of amateurs

And fwiw, technically speaking, Cav is still faster than someone like Nibali in a sprint after 300km and the poggio and cipressa etc. Not bad for someone who can't survive it

but even on proper climbs like the Col d'Aspin, he'd still smoke 99% of amateurs

lets make that 99.9 percent of amateurs. even when he does occasionally get a tow in the mountains. even when he does n t

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Well that's your opinion. Ventoux is indeed more prestigious, but 3 stages is easily a bigger achievement than Ventoux on it's own, and 1 flat stage is more prestigious than if a breakaway won on Ventoux. Again, that's just my opinion.

When I used to have a more romantic view of cycling, I would have argued that a Ventoux win is indeed bigger. Because 30 years from now they may still replay you winning the Ventoux (in reality the way it is going, 10 years from now only your national tv will replay it and everyone else will ignore any race someone from that country didn't win).
Like, I remember that Indurain won on Luz, even though I wasn't around, or Jallaber in Mend, or that Pantani set the Alpe records every odd numbered year or that he attacked the first time they did Mortirolo. Coppi on Alpe. The dutch on Alpe and of course Mayo.
Of the thousands of people to have posted in the clinic I doubt there is anyone who doesn't know who won on Hautecam in 1996, and only a handful won't know who won on Arcalis in 1997, Les Deux Alpes 1998 and Sestrieres 1999

Part of it is of course also that we measure the times and the best ones go down in history.

I don't have a clue who the sprinters were at the time. I had a convo with someone even more into cycling then me a few weeks ago and he asked - who is that german guy who won those green jerseys and got caught doping and then worked with HTC. We both knew who it was but had to look the name up

Well as someone who's younger and didn't watch cycling until the late 2000s, I'd instantly know the German you're talking about, whereas I'm a lot less sure about those climbs you mentioned. Idk who won on Hautacam 1996, and think Ullrich (which I wouldn't have known had Arcalis not featured in this year's Tour) Pantani Lance in that order on the rest, but again not sure. Now whether that's because Zabels successes were a lot more recent when I first started watching cycling compared to those specific climbs, or whether that's because Zabel's achievements (in a given year ofc, comparing Zabel's entire career to just one day in those of Ullrich Pantani and Lance would be ridiculous) were bigger than those particular stage wins, I don't know.

Fast forwarding a bit to an era I've been watching, ofc, Contador's Fuente De will live on in the memory a lot longer than, say, Kittel's four stage wins at the Tour in 2014. But, memorable ≠ prestigious. For example, Cumbre del Sol in last year's Vuelta is easily more memorable, than say, Roubaix 2014. Doesn't mean it's more prestigious

 

[Irondan]

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Well that's your opinion. Ventoux is indeed more prestigious, but 3 stages is easily a bigger achievement than Ventoux on it's own, and 1 flat stage is more prestigious than if a breakaway won on Ventoux. Again, that's just my opinion.

When I used to have a more romantic view of cycling, I would have argued that a Ventoux win is indeed bigger. Because 30 years from now they may still replay you winning the Ventoux (in reality the way it is going, 10 years from now only your national tv will replay it and everyone else will ignore any race someone from that country didn't win).
Like, I remember that Indurain won on Luz, even though I wasn't around, or Jallaber in Mend, or that Pantani set the Alpe records every odd numbered year or that he attacked the first time they did Mortirolo. Coppi on Alpe. The dutch on Alpe and of course Mayo.
Of the thousands of people to have posted in the clinic I doubt there is anyone who doesn't know who won on Hautecam in 1996, and only a handful won't know who won on Arcalis in 1997, Les Deux Alpes 1998 and Sestrieres 1999

Part of it is of course also that we measure the times and the best ones go down in history.

I don't have a clue who the sprinters were at the time. I had a convo with someone even more into cycling then me a few weeks ago and he asked - who is that german guy who won those green jerseys and got caught doping and then worked with HTC. We both knew who it was but had to look the name up

Well as someone who's younger and didn't watch cycling until the late 2000s, I'd instantly know the German you're talking about, whereas I'm a lot less sure about those climbs you mentioned. Idk who won on Hautacam 1996, and think Ullrich (which I wouldn't have known had Arcalis not featured in this year's Tour) Pantani Lance in that order on the rest, but again not sure. Now whether that's because Zabels successes were a lot more recent when I first started watching cycling compared to those specific climbs, or whether that's because Zabel's achievements (in a given year ofc, comparing Zabel's entire career to just one day in those of Ullrich Pantani and Lance would be ridiculous) were bigger than those particular stage wins, I don't know.

Fast forwarding a bit to an era I've been watching, ofc, Contador's Fuente De will live on in the memory a lot longer than, say, Kittel's four stage wins at the Tour in 2014. But, memorable ≠ prestigious. For example, Cumbre del Sol in last year's Vuelta is easily more memorable, than say, Roubaix 2014. Doesn't mean it's more prestigious

Bjarne Riis won on Hautacam in 96, Ullrich on Arcalis in 97.

Watch the youtube video of Bjarne Riis ascent of Hautacam. Mr 60% lol! :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBrmC6pUNE

 

[The Hegelian]

The Hegelian feeling old. Remembers all the names because watched them.

 

[The Hitch]

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Well that's your opinion. Ventoux is indeed more prestigious, but 3 stages is easily a bigger achievement than Ventoux on it's own, and 1 flat stage is more prestigious than if a breakaway won on Ventoux. Again, that's just my opinion.

When I used to have a more romantic view of cycling, I would have argued that a Ventoux win is indeed bigger. Because 30 years from now they may still replay you winning the Ventoux (in reality the way it is going, 10 years from now only your national tv will replay it and everyone else will ignore any race someone from that country didn't win).
Like, I remember that Indurain won on Luz, even though I wasn't around, or Jallaber in Mend, or that Pantani set the Alpe records every odd numbered year or that he attacked the first time they did Mortirolo. Coppi on Alpe. The dutch on Alpe and of course Mayo.
Of the thousands of people to have posted in the clinic I doubt there is anyone who doesn't know who won on Hautecam in 1996, and only a handful won't know who won on Arcalis in 1997, Les Deux Alpes 1998 and Sestrieres 1999

Part of it is of course also that we measure the times and the best ones go down in history.

I don't have a clue who the sprinters were at the time. I had a convo with someone even more into cycling then me a few weeks ago and he asked - who is that german guy who won those green jerseys and got caught doping and then worked with HTC. We both knew who it was but had to look the name up

Well as someone who's younger and didn't watch cycling until the late 2000s, I'd instantly know the German you're talking about, whereas I'm a lot less sure about those climbs you mentioned. Idk who won on Hautacam 1996, and think Ullrich (which I wouldn't have known had Arcalis not featured in this year's Tour) Pantani Lance in that order on the rest, but again not sure. Now whether that's because Zabels successes were a lot more recent when I first started watching cycling compared to those specific climbs, or whether that's because Zabel's achievements (in a given year ofc, comparing Zabel's entire career to just one day in those of Ullrich Pantani and Lance would be ridiculous) were bigger than those particular stage wins, I don't know.

Fast forwarding a bit to an era I've been watching, ofc, Contador's Fuente De will live on in the memory a lot longer than, say, Kittel's four stage wins at the Tour in 2014. But, memorable ≠ prestigious. For example, Cumbre del Sol in last year's Vuelta is easily more memorable, than say, Roubaix 2014. Doesn't mean it's more prestigious

I didn't see any of those races either. I didn't know what cycling was until years after they happened. That was the point.

If you are telling me you didn't hear of of riis on hautacam, then I think your cnf posting licence should be placed under review.

just a joke

 

[PremierAndrew]

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I didn't see any of those races either. I didn't know what cycling was until years after they happened. That was the point.

If you are telling me you didn't hear of of riis on hautacam, then I think your cnf posting licence should be placed under review.

just a joke

I just assumed that you've been watching cycling that long. Come to think of it, I had seen Riis' win back when I was looking through the Saxo-Tinkoff DS' career as a rider, but again, I really don't think it's got the same legacy as any of Zabel's green jerseys, but that may have something to do with the fact that Zabel was the best of his generation, which can't be said about Riis (or Ullrich for that matter).

And dw, I agree, I'm ashamed of myself

 

[GreasyChain]

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And to top it all off, he'll never be as famous as real sprinters like Usain Bolt.

I'm sure he's gutted, especially as the most famous active cyclist in the world bar maybe Contador and Froome

Lol, Sagan is twice as popular and famous as Cavendish and he's only 26.

Outside of Great Britain Cav is despised. If that's what it takes to be famous I'd rather not be.

Cav's just lucky cycling isn't popular with Afro-Americans.

Outside of the slavery obsessed mental hospital known as the USA such people are known as black. And it is a subsection of the black African population and their descendants that produces most top sprinters. It is due to the ratio of fast twitch to slow twitch muscle fibres not leg length or general body shape.

There is also no real comparison between sprinting in athletics and sprinting on a bike. The shortest sprint distance in cycling is 200m. And that is normally raced flat out after a quick 100-200m lead in. Much more like running a 500m race where pure sprint muscles are no longer an advantage.

 

[movingtarget]

Ryan Lochte's acting perfomance has to be one of the worst. As if Rio needed a foreigner to create a false mugging !

 

[blackcat]

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Ryan Lochte's acting perfomance has to be one of the worst. As if Rio needed a foreigner to create a false mugging !

he died his hair black, and then joined dancing with the stars.


true life is so much more funny than blackcat's Wildean drollery, and blackcat's Wildean drollery is pretty ferkin funny :lol: