Most Suspicious Performance Of The Last 5 Years

[Parker]

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Froome's TT in last Vuelta. Completely out of line with his general form curve. Specially obvious when looking how much more time he put into Quintana when compared to the TT in the Tour, where the latter was clearly in worse shape, wind very strong and TT itself longer. Obvious case of a blood bag well utilised.

2016 Tour TT 37km
Froome beats Quintana by 2'04"

2016 Vuelta TT 37km
Froome beats Quintana by 2'16"

That seems very consistent to me.

(If you're thinking about the Stage 18 Tour TT - then have a look at the profile)

As with many on here, your suspicion is due to misinformation.

 

[staubsauger]

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Froome's TT in last Vuelta. Completely out of line with his general form curve. Specially obvious when looking how much more time he put into Quintana when compared to the TT in the Tour, where the latter was clearly in worse shape, wind very strong and TT itself longer. Obvious case of a blood bag well utilised.

I'm thinking electricity. Maybe he borrowed Cancellara's bike from the Olympics?

Tbh his 2014 Vuelta tt when he suddenly forgot how to ride against the clock for 1 1/2 years was far more suspicious imho!

 

[DanielSong39]

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Froome's TT in last Vuelta. Completely out of line with his general form curve. Specially obvious when looking how much more time he put into Quintana when compared to the TT in the Tour, where the latter was clearly in worse shape, wind very strong and TT itself longer. Obvious case of a blood bag well utilised.

2016 Tour TT 37km
Froome beats Quintana by 2'04"

2016 Vuelta TT 37km
Froome beats Quintana by 2'16"

That seems very consistent to me.

(If you're thinking about the Stage 18 Tour TT - then have a look at the profile)

As with many on here, your suspicion is due to misinformation.

The difference is that in the Tour, Froome was in top form while Quintana was below his best. In the Vuelta, Froome cracked spectacularly in Stage 15 while Quintana was in top form. Context is everything.

 

[Põhja Konn]

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Froome's TT in last Vuelta. Completely out of line with his general form curve. Specially obvious when looking how much more time he put into Quintana when compared to the TT in the Tour, where the latter was clearly in worse shape, wind very strong and TT itself longer. Obvious case of a blood bag well utilised.

2016 Tour TT 37km
Froome beats Quintana by 2'04"

2016 Vuelta TT 37km
Froome beats Quintana by 2'16"

That seems very consistent to me.

(If you're thinking about the Stage 18 Tour TT - then have a look at the profile)

As with many on here, your suspicion is due to misinformation.

Somehow I always thought that Tour TT was significantly longer, more closer to 45k. Should have actually checked the facts before posting. :redface:

As it is that performance is not really worth highlighting in this particular thread.

 

[rick james]

Where did this Gaviria guy come from?

My god is this what this place is now reduced to?

 

[BullsFan22]

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Well, the Giro is only partway through, and he could still tank and lose 20 minutes. But if Domoulin holds on to win however that will put him up there with Horner, and some of Froome's recent "achievements".

Yeah, but Horner was a month shy of his 42nd birthday when he clinched the Vuelta in 2013. Dumoulin is 26, 27 towards the end of the year. Where was Horner at 26, 27? Wasn't he a journeyman, racing domestically, primarily? And Dumoulin has had good to excellent results since he became a pro.

Dumoulin is a physically gifted GT rider in the same mold as Indurain -- essentially a rouleur who can climb, dominates TT, can hold his own in the mountains, and with the right combination of circumstances (course, crashes, team tactics) can win a GT. I would say that his performances aren't all that suspicious. Nowhere near Landis/Horner level.

I don't disagree. I think you just missed my point. My point was exactly that, that his performances are far less suspicious than Landis/Horner/Froome/Wiggins...

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Where did this Gaviria guy come from?

My god is this what this place is now reduced to?

And this is why I post here a lot less than I once did.

 

[42x16ss]

Where did this Gaviria guy come from?

Umm...

That stopped being funny after the 2015 Tour de San Luis.

 

[Benotti69]

Where did this Gaviria guy come from?

My god is this what this place is now reduced to?

And this is why I post here a lot less than I once did.

Or maybe it is that things have gotten worse in the sport rather than better since the clinic came into being.

 

[Durden93]

I still think it's a bit too early to place Dumoulin in the suspicious range, he's always been good at TTs, good in the first two weeks of a TT. Admittedly he hasn't been at this form, but he can still crack.

 

[Ironhead Slim]

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I still think it's a bit too early to place Dumoulin in the suspicious range, he's always been good at TTs, good in the first two weeks of a TT. Admittedly he hasn't been at this form, but he can still crack.

My butt hurts thinking about a two week time trial. Where do you find the open road for such a race, or is it done on the track? ; )

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Or maybe it is that things have gotten worse in the sport rather than better since the clinic came into being.

The Clinc was created in June of 2009. Things were pretty bad then, but not like 2002 or the 90's. Still, I harbor no illusions that when Armstrong was swept away, so was the doping. Only a gullible fool would ascribe to that.

Don't worry, I'll be here for my obligatory posts in the Sky or Froome threads come July when I walk away from the TV laughing.

 

[Benotti69]

Or maybe it is that things have gotten worse in the sport rather than better since the clinic came into being.

The Clinc was created in June of 2009. Things were pretty bad then, but not like 2002 or the 90's. Still, I harbor no illusions that when Armstrong was swept away, so was the doping. Only a gullible fool would ascribe to that.

Don't worry, I'll be here for my obligatory posts in the Sky or Froome threads come July when I walk away from the TV laughing.

Well when i think of Wiggins and Froome's transformations to skeletal climbers who increased their power for TTs and Sky do the USPostal train then add in a motor or many and i think things look worse.

I have given up watching daily broadcasts of GTs because i have not got a clue if i am watching a bicycle race or a motorbicycle race !!!

 

[carton]

I have given up watching daily broadcasts of GTs because i have not got a clue if i am watching a bicycle race or a motorbicycle race !!!

Yeah, that's why GT has also given up on watching the stages.

 

[Robert5091]

So how does TJ go from zero to hero? Gold top on his Weetabix?

 

[classicomano]

Its a smaller race but 33-year old Oscar Pujol once again put everybody to shame on Mt. Fuji in the Tour of Japan. Even the Iranians didn't come close and finished minutes down. Quite the late bloomer.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Didn't Oscar Pujol race for Lotto but then spectacularly failed?

 

[Squire]

Oscar Pujol once won an absolutely epic stage from a breakaway on Bola del Mundo against me in PCM 09, so he's exempt from suspicion.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Since he's a late bloomer, maybe in another 8 years he'll hit his prime and win the Vuelta.

 

[Nick C.]

This whole Giro seems almost as if it is scripted with all the random drama regarding the GC.

 

[DanielSong39]

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This whole Giro seems almost as if it is scripted with all the random drama regarding the GC.

If there is a twist ending I'd definitely agree.

 

[Galic Ho]

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...i want that poop tested...what was hidden within?

Mark L

Nuts. It was a bit nutty.

 

[StryderHells]

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Its a smaller race but 33-year old Oscar Pujol once again put everybody to shame on Mt. Fuji in the Tour of Japan. Even the Iranians didn't come close and finished minutes down. Quite the late bloomer.

It's not that strange as the Iranians haven't been as dominant as a nation on the Asian racing scene in the last 2 seasons. Pujol only won the Tour of Japan by 1:40 to Nathan Earle in 2nd and "Even the Iranians didn't come close and finished minutes down" it was only 1:22 on the Mt Fuji stage. He had sweet FA race days from 2012-15 but has picked things up in the last season and a half and is now GC leader at Team UKYO. By the way I'm not saying he's clean in any way but he had reasons for his sub par form for a few seasons.

 

[zlev11]

yeah he's racing against a sub-par field. the Iranians had a bunch of positives earlier this year/the end of last year and it seemingly scared them all off the sh*t.

 

[StryderHells]

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yeah he's racing against a sub-par field. the Iranians had a bunch of positives earlier this year/the end of last year and it seemingly scared them all off the sh*t.

You are correct with the 2 positives for the Pishgaman team seemingly has lead to the Iranian teams scaling things down, we only have to look at the total domination they had over stage racing in Asia for several seasons and now they are still performing okay but aren't team time trialing away on stages like they used to do, we only have to look at the 2015 Tour of Japan with them filling the first 4 places on the GC beating home Mancebo!