Motor doping thread

[Tienus]

I have seen a demonstration a couple of moths ago on a mountainbike. The only other function for the button is that you can hold it a couple of seconds so it adapts to your current rpm. If you stop pedaling for a couple of seconds the motor automatically stops.

 

[thehog]

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I have seen a demonstration a couple of moths ago on a mountainbike. The only other function for the button is that you can hold it a couple of seconds so it adapts to your current rpm. If you stop pedaling for a couple of seconds the motor automatically stops.

Thanks.

Interesting, adapting to current speed is a good one if you just need to take a break rather than attacking. That would come in very useful.

I assume you can ride it faster than 200w, so you're just adding to the already assisted power - i.e. if Froome attacks for 30 seconds at 600w, he is getting 200w assisted.

 

[sniper]

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To me it looks like the Vivax / Varjas motor is still the main one used in the peleton.

probably, yes.

Why would you have a better hidden one if you know the UCI won't check the bike?

in order of importance:
i. to be - and stay - ahead of any potential testing (be it by uci be it by fans or another body); i.e. to minimize risk as much as possible;
ii. to not raise eyebrows among competitors (new omerta: make sure as few people as possible are in the know);
iii. perhaps to be lighter.

 

[Tienus]

to not raise eyebrows among competitors (new omerta: make sure as few people as possible are in the know);

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-reveals-technology-used-to-detect-mechanical-doping/
This demonstration from the UCI is basically telling all teams that if you want to cheat talk to Typhoon.

 

[sniper]

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to not raise eyebrows among competitors (new omerta: make sure as few people as possible are in the know);

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-reveals-technology-used-to-detect-mechanical-doping/
This demonstration from the UCI is basically telling all teams that if you want to cheat talk to Typhoon.

yep, good point.

i,m just saying, there will imo always be a motivation for further innovation.
so while i agree vivax is probably still the main system in use, i also thinks its plausible to assume teams are meanwhile looking out for more advanced systems.

the button on the steering wheel, for instance, i doubt that that is state of the art.
as i said, l,equipe already mentioned control systems linked to the heart rate monitor.

 

[Tienus]

From my own experience with the current Vivax you need to switch it on and off yourself due to the way it operates. It is gonna be messy if its set for a much faster rpm.
Around 2.30 in this video it is also explained:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv5F5N6mFf0

 

[thehog]

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to not raise eyebrows among competitors (new omerta: make sure as few people as possible are in the know);

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-reveals-technology-used-to-detect-mechanical-doping/
This demonstration from the UCI is basically telling all teams that if you want to cheat talk to Typhoon.

Makes sense to keep it all through one vendor, then its trackable. Also a good way to keep cycling clean by having motor doping instead, no one is going to test positive at a later stage and no drugs are being carried to races.

Similar to NASCAR '15 on the XBOX 360, you only get 3 Nitro's per race to be used. Perhaps the UCI could mandate the same? Only 5 200W surges per stage.

 

[jmdirt]

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If there is indeed something like the magical motorized wheel rim (as you seem to be suggesting), why is it that we haven't seen any evidence of it yet.? I mean how hard can it be for a investigative journalist to obtain a working example of it albeit with the help of willing cyclist. The motor down the seat tube has been demonstrated by at least three people on public television (LeMond, The Dutch sports program and, I think, Cassani), yet only vage claims from one guy that such rims actually exist, work and won't look any different than regular rims.

no, wasn't talking about rim systems.
just saying that we don't really know how these motor systems are controlled these days.
if you do know, please share. If not, tone down your vortex.
In the l'equipe article about motors one or two years ago there was talk about the control system being linked to the heart rate monitor.

Sorry to jump in to your discussion, but I thought that you were talking about a rim system too. If he was using a BB motor it wouldn't override the rear wheel if the brake was lock because the chain would slap and likely drop in that situation.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

Foremost expert on mechanical doping Kathy LeMond speaks:

“There are loopholes and these cheaters will look for any loopholes. Everything needs to be done to ensure that there are no loopholes. We have to do everything possible,” LeMond told Cyclingnews. “I don’t believe that they are doing everything that they can, and I think that it is the greatest threat to cycling."

“All I’m saying is if they don’t stop it then it will be just like doping… To me, they need to take it seriously and come down so hard so that it’s not an option, that is what has to be done."

LeMond confirmed Cyclingnews that she and her husband have spoken to the UCI on numerous occasions about their concerns, but while the UCI listened, they have not taken sufficient action.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kathy-lemond-uci-needs-to-do-more-to-fight-mechanical-doping/?utm_content=bufferd06bc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Kathy Lemond is a legitimate source for news within cycling? Wow oh Wow.

 

[Irondan]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

Foremost expert on mechanical doping Kathy LeMond speaks:

“There are loopholes and these cheaters will look for any loopholes. Everything needs to be done to ensure that there are no loopholes. We have to do everything possible,” LeMond told Cyclingnews. “I don’t believe that they are doing everything that they can, and I think that it is the greatest threat to cycling."

“All I’m saying is if they don’t stop it then it will be just like doping… To me, they need to take it seriously and come down so hard so that it’s not an option, that is what has to be done."

LeMond confirmed Cyclingnews that she and her husband have spoken to the UCI on numerous occasions about their concerns, but while the UCI listened, they have not taken sufficient action.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kathy-lemond-uci-needs-to-do-more-to-fight-mechanical-doping/?utm_content=bufferd06bc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Kathy Lemond is a legitimate source for news within cycling? Wow oh Wow.

Goofy rides a bike with those giant shoes on, I suppose he would be a source for quotes when the news cycle gets slow. After all, he knows all about cycling because he lives in Disney, and Disney is in Paris, and Paris is where The Tour holds its final stage....

Kathy Lemond knows about as much about cycling moto-fraud as goofy does.

Next they'll be asking Greg...

 

[pastronef]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

after Sagan attacked uphill and won the stage

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/742511575987191812


Jonathan Vaughters
‏@Vaughters
Did @petosagan have a motor in his bike today? No. Did he make everyone else look like a fool today? Yes. Enough said on this topic

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

Foremost expert on mechanical doping Kathy LeMond speaks:

“There are loopholes and these cheaters will look for any loopholes. Everything needs to be done to ensure that there are no loopholes. We have to do everything possible,” LeMond told Cyclingnews. “I don’t believe that they are doing everything that they can, and I think that it is the greatest threat to cycling."

“All I’m saying is if they don’t stop it then it will be just like doping… To me, they need to take it seriously and come down so hard so that it’s not an option, that is what has to be done."

LeMond confirmed Cyclingnews that she and her husband have spoken to the UCI on numerous occasions about their concerns, but while the UCI listened, they have not taken sufficient action.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kathy-lemond-uci-needs-to-do-more-to-fight-mechanical-doping/?utm_content=bufferd06bc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Kathy Lemond is a legitimate source for news within cycling? Wow oh Wow.

Goofy rides a bike with those giant shoes on, I suppose he would be a source for quotes when the news cycle gets slow. After all, he knows all about cycling because he lives in Disney, and Disney is in Paris, and Paris is where The Tour holds its final stage....

Kathy Lemond knows about as much about cycling moto-fraud as goofy does.

Next they'll be asking Greg...

Could be.

I would think they would ask lance about it. He would give some answer like. Everything was good when I made my comeback the 2.0 time but then I noticed that everyone in the peloton was faster than me. It was a game changer I tell you. Nothing like it ever. I was in the greatest PED assisted shape ever and these guys would just ride me off their wheel with no effort. Thats when I realized it was MotoDoping. Everyone was doing it and since I had already had run in's with mechanics and everyone knew how I felt about mechanics and all. I would not go no where near motors.

 

[thehog]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

Foremost expert on mechanical doping Kathy LeMond speaks:

“There are loopholes and these cheaters will look for any loopholes. Everything needs to be done to ensure that there are no loopholes. We have to do everything possible,” LeMond told Cyclingnews. “I don’t believe that they are doing everything that they can, and I think that it is the greatest threat to cycling."

“All I’m saying is if they don’t stop it then it will be just like doping… To me, they need to take it seriously and come down so hard so that it’s not an option, that is what has to be done."

LeMond confirmed Cyclingnews that she and her husband have spoken to the UCI on numerous occasions about their concerns, but while the UCI listened, they have not taken sufficient action.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kathy-lemond-uci-needs-to-do-more-to-fight-mechanical-doping/?utm_content=bufferd06bc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Kathy Lemond is a legitimate source for news within cycling? Wow oh Wow.

Goofy rides a bike with those giant shoes on, I suppose he would be a source for quotes when the news cycle gets slow. After all, he knows all about cycling because he lives in Disney, and Disney is in Paris, and Paris is where The Tour holds its final stage....

Kathy Lemond knows about as much about cycling moto-fraud as goofy does.

Next they'll be asking Greg...

LOL!

 

[Alexandre B.]

Following Stade 2 investigation on UCI and Typhoon Bikes, there will be news on Sunday.

Les suites de l’enquête Moteurs, ça tourne
Thierry Vildary décryptera les derniers développements intervenus à la suite de la diffusion du second volet de son enquête pour Stade 2 sur le dopage mécanique dans le cyclisme. Il reviendra également sur le cas du coureur slovène Primoz Roglic, qui a gagné une étape du Giro avec son vélo de rechange…
http://www.coulisses-tv.fr/index.php/magazines/item/7843-sommaire-de-%E2%80%9Cstade-2%E2%80%9D-dimanche-19-juin-en-direct-sur-france-2-d%C3%A8s-17-25

 

[Tienus]

That is going to be very interesting. At an individual time trial it is a lot easier to check everyone's bike.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I don't trust anything Vaughters says with regard to doping in cycling, mechanical or otherwise.

 

[sniper]

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I don't trust anything Vaughters says with regard to doping in cycling, mechanical or otherwise.

what did vaughters say?

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

I don't trust anything Vaughters says with regard to doping in cycling, mechanical or otherwise.

what did vaughters say?

nothing in particular, he blocked blackcat on twitter <alliterationz> so I am sorry to say, he is persona non grata in the blackcat household

 

[nogav1ca]

I'm really interested in what they will have to say about Primoz. But I don't expect much. Maybe some rumors that the designated bike had motor in it, so he had to use a spare. No hard evidence. The thing of interest might be, that Primoz said he had to change bike, which had same setup than on the previous races.

 

[kielbasa]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

Foremost expert on mechanical doping Kathy LeMond speaks:

“There are loopholes and these cheaters will look for any loopholes. Everything needs to be done to ensure that there are no loopholes. We have to do everything possible,” LeMond told Cyclingnews. “I don’t believe that they are doing everything that they can, and I think that it is the greatest threat to cycling."

“All I’m saying is if they don’t stop it then it will be just like doping… To me, they need to take it seriously and come down so hard so that it’s not an option, that is what has to be done."

LeMond confirmed Cyclingnews that she and her husband have spoken to the UCI on numerous occasions about their concerns, but while the UCI listened, they have not taken sufficient action.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kathy-lemond-uci-needs-to-do-more-to-fight-mechanical-doping/?utm_content=bufferd06bc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Kathy Lemond is a legitimate source for news within cycling? Wow oh Wow.

Goofy rides a bike with those giant shoes on, I suppose he would be a source for quotes when the news cycle gets slow. After all, he knows all about cycling because he lives in Disney, and Disney is in Paris, and Paris is where The Tour holds its final stage....

Kathy Lemond knows about as much about cycling moto-fraud as goofy does.

Next they'll be asking Greg...

Goofy is already being consulted whenever they reference the speculation in the Clinic in their articles. For all we know Kathy L. already reads the Clinic and therefore she's an expert in all things cycling.

 

[Quantumsoda]

Could disc brakes be used to recharge a battery, KERS-style?


Infinite power going up hairpins for some.

 

[kielbasa]

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Could disc brakes be used to recharge a battery, KERS-style?


Infinite power going up hairpins for some.

Solar panels hidden in shoes and fabric, not to mention fans hidden in helmets, and turbines in water bottles. Introducing,.. the green doper.

 

[jmdirt]

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Could disc brakes be used to recharge a battery, KERS-style?


Infinite power going up hairpins for some.

Yes, but the converter might be suspicious.

 

[Benotti69]

https://twitter.com/oufeh/status/744617251614167041

Primož Roglič's hub glowing

 

[nogav1ca]

I don't buy it. I think it would be too risky to have someone like Roglic ride with motor on Strade Bianche. Also if those motors are really so expensive, it would be weird for him to have another motor in a spare bike (since he won TT on a spare).
The weird thing here is that he used same setup as in previous races, but now the bike wasn't compliant with the rules. Maybe more strict controls in a bigger race?

But I have another questions. Are springs in rear hub (still) allowed? Like this one. Because about 7 or 8 year ago, I remember Brajkovic using it. Point of it was to overcome dead spot (similar to oval chainring), but I dont' know how useful it was.