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How many tests Sky failed? Im sure around 200 to justify x'xxx thousands posts about doped skyFerminal said:Wait, they haven't failed a test for five years (with the exception of Costa's supplement issue), maybe they are clean.
After a lengthy court battle, he was suspended for two years as part of the Operación Puerto blood doping investigation, but he returned to competition in 2012 upon completion of the ban. (wiki)Alphabet said:No, Sky's top dawg is nothing on Valverde. Valverde won around 50 consecutive races when he was a teenager. He had huge class and his ability and potential shone through at a very young age. The Dawg has turned up at about 26 to suddenly be better than Valverde.
Im not basing on thathrotha said:Considering how easy it is to beat the tests, it's kind of silly to base your analysis of natural talent on who's been caught and who hasn't.
Still, Rui Costa and especially Quintana have shown more potential than Froome.
Replace/sky/lanceEnacheV said:How many tests Sky failed? Im sure around 200 to justify x'xxx thousands posts about doped sky
If sky is doped then movistar is 3x more doped. the only difference is that top guy sky is 2x better than movistar top guy.
Yep. Froomstrong is building a nice fanbase.lemoogle said:Replace/sky/lance
Here we go again.
I don't know who's doped and who isn't. watts and other "scientific" numbers tell nothing useful, only med tests do.lemoogle said:Replace/sky/lance
Here we go again.
Never mind that Sky has been trashing around Movistar for 2 years now and is currently the number 1 ranked team in the world. And Froome is still in yellow and seemingly untouchable.EnacheV said:I don't know who's doped and who isn't. watts and other "scientific" numbers tell nothing useful, only med tests do.
I work on comparison and If's
Based on overall team performance, If Sky is doped then Movistar is 2x more doped. Also, there is nothing to prove that any team in TDF is doped.
That's pretty much the closer you can get to the truth atm.
Sorry but that's statistics and statistics works "a little" when the samples are in extremely huge numbers, not a handfull at most.hrotha said:Historically there's a very good correlation between watt figures and doping. I'm sorry this makes you uncomfortable.
Now there is the flaw in you socalled argument. Valverde is not proved to have doped, his blood was found at the Madrid blood bank. Was he busted with a needle with a BB on the ceiling? No sir.EnacheV said:what im saying is if you are a proved doper nobody can be sure how much of your success is because of talent/training or drugs.
This is a thread about Movistar - not Sky.EnacheV said:I don't know who's doped and who isn't. watts and other "scientific" numbers tell nothing useful, only med tests do.
I work on comparison and If's
Based on overall team performance, If Sky is doped then Movistar is 2x more doped. Also, there is nothing to prove that any team in TDF is doped.
That's pretty much the closer you can get to the truth atm.
I give them all support as a clean team, for me they are a clean team, until proved (by science and not by lol science like watts/kg and stuff like - they have 6 riders in top 25 peleton) doped.Dr. Maserati said:Perhaps you want to rethink that strategy - and give Movistar your unconditional support as a clean team.
Dave Brailsford is this you?EnacheV said:I give them all support as a clean team, for me they are a clean team, until proved (by science and not by lol science like watts/kg and stuff like - they have 6 riders in top 25 peleton) doped.
Since you work in comparison and stuff - can you do an analysis on Valverde from when he was doped (I think you alluded to since he was a child) to his current position of 2nd in the Tour, and if he is going better now as an older clean rider. Thanks.EnacheV said:I give them all support as a clean team, for me they are a clean team, until proved (by science and not by lol science like watts/kg and stuff like - they have 6 riders in top 25 peleton) doped.
Dont dope and post at the same time, it dont work.....EnacheV said:How many tests Sky failed? Im sure around 200 to justify x'xxx thousands posts about doped sky
If sky is doped then movistar is 3x more doped. the only difference is that top guy sky is 2x better than movistar top guy.
Movistar 'seem' suspicious? Do you remember Piti wearing full gear and out training with Movistar while banned, that is how they feel about doping. No problemodlwssonic said:movistar seems suspicious but nowhere near the level of chris froome.