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May 27, 2010
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Benotti69 said:
Movistar 'seem' suspicious? Do you remember Piti wearing full gear and out training with Movistar while banned, that is how they feel about doping. No problemo
On the bright side at least sky isn't the only team doped up like last year where they totally crushed everyone. movistar gives them some small competition.
 
Unzue has been clear since last year: "I want to "imitate & develop our team's training program the way SKY is doing it-I'd like to have the same "scientific approach to the sport" as they're doing it.

so there you have it;)
 
May 21, 2010
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from half way up the penultimate climb until the end Movistar dropped pretty much noone,the bus came in with plenty too spare in the end also when 1/2 way through the stage it looked likely many would miss time limit.Im not sure what the big deal is?
 
Aug 12, 2009
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Bala Verde said:
Full genius Froome gave the sign yesterday that it's hunting season. Everything is allowed, he gloves are off. Movistar took he hint and they topped off early, to remain competitive.

I wonder when Valverde gets popped again.
No going into Italy? Then no getting popped it seems! :D

Personally I think it's time we all attribute this down to the real world specifics. MARGINAL GAINS. What is the common link between Movistar and Sky? Pinarello. Sky mechanics must have had a bad day. :rolleyes:
 
I had to check the title of this thread and noticed it was a Movistar thread not a sky one.

Anyway I would be a lot happier with Movistar if they did not employ Valverde and Unzue (whose past isn't great either).
 
Netserk said:
Something like this?

1st: Sky
2nd: Movistar
3rd: Astana
4th: Katusha
Hard to say. I'm fairly confident about the top 2, and Astana looks like a safe bet for 3rd. One thing we're seeing this Tour is several teams having top riders at a similar level: Froome and Porte, Valverde and Quintana, Mollema and Ten Dam, Kreuziger and Contador. Probably a coincidence in some cases, but it's still rather odd. Could be the arms race many predicted last year after Sky's domninance.
 
Jul 9, 2009
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hfer07 said:
Unzue has been clear since last year: "I want to "imitate & develop our team's training program the way SKY is doing it-I'd like to have the same "scientific approach to the sport" as they're doing it.

so there you have it;)
Is that another way of saying "we're getting the same new drugs"?
 
Dec 27, 2010
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hrotha said:
Hard to say. I'm fairly confident about the top 2, and Astana looks like a safe bet for 3rd. One thing we're seeing this Tour is several teams having top riders at a similar level: Froome and Porte, Valverde and Quintana, Mollema and Ten Dam, Kreuziger and Contador. Probably a coincidence in some cases, but it's still rather odd. Could be the arms race many predicted last year after Sky's domninance.
"I am led to believe that there are pockets of organised, highly sophisticated dopers even within ‘new age’ cycling teams. Personally, I don’t accept that the ‘dark era’ has ended, it has just morphed into a new guise."
 
Dec 21, 2010
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EnacheV said:
I don't know who's doped and who isn't. watts and other "scientific" numbers tell nothing useful, only med tests do.

I work on comparison and If's

Based on overall team performance, If Sky is doped then Movistar is 2x more doped. Also, there is nothing to prove that any team in TDF is doped.

That's pretty much the closer you can get to the truth atm.
Another July wunderkid - how much are you getting paid as a SKY intern to write this stuff?

Have you ever raced a bike? I guessed not.....:rolleyes:
 
hrotha said:
..One thing we're seeing this Tour is several teams having top riders at a similar level: Froome and Porte, Valverde and Quintana, Mollema and Ten Dam, Kreuziger and Contador. Probably a coincidence in some cases, but it's still rather odd. Could be the arms race many predicted last year after Sky's domninance.
IMO, there's a huge gap in performance from Froome/Porte to everyone else.
Of the second tier, behind Froome/Porte the performances are slower than the EPO years, but not down to pre-EPO levels. It's almost believable.

While an arms race is likely still going strong, anti-doping sort of works because the simple message "times are slower" was sort of true. Not only that, there's a cluster of grand tour riders where you mostly expect them to be. Slower, but still leading. Until Froome/Porte went alien and ruined the "cleanest peloton ever" message.
 
Alphabet said:
No, Sky's top dawg is nothing on Valverde. Valverde won around 50 consecutive races when he was a teenager. He had huge class and his ability and potential shone through at a very young age. The Dawg has turned up at about 26 to suddenly be better than Valverde.
+1
valverde is pure class since he was junior,
 
Feb 18, 2013
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You really have no idea how far people are prepared to dope. Abortion doping anyone? And you don't think some 11 year old kid will go through a full scale programme? Think again.
 
DirtyWorks said:
IMO, there's a huge gap in performance from Froome/Porte to everyone else.
Of the second tier, behind Froome/Porte the performances are slower than the EPO years, but not down to pre-EPO levels. It's almost believable.

While an arms race is likely still going strong, anti-doping sort of works because the simple message "times are slower" was sort of true. Not only that, there's a cluster of grand tour riders where you mostly expect them to be. Slower, but still leading. Until Froome/Porte went alien and ruined the "cleanest peloton ever" message.
Oh, I definitely agree Sky are a couple of steps ahead. But seeing everyone else sorted by pairs is a bit funny.
 
Mar 18, 2009
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hrotha said:
Oh, I definitely agree Sky are a couple of steps ahead. But seeing everyone else sorted by pairs is a bit funny.
It is like sorting riders by their team's doping program.
 
Movistar added the Cycling Research Center organization (CRC), based in the University of Granada, to its staff. CRC will be responsible for all areas regarding the riders' performance. Several aspects, such as training, nutrition, biomechanics or psicology will be covered by an expert group of professionals directed by Mikel Zabala PhD, a professor and researcher in Physical Activity and Sport Sciences at the University of Granada, as well as director of the 'Prevent to win' ("Prevenir para ganar") program of the Royal Spanish Cycling Federation, related to education on values for clean sport.

The collaboration agreement between both institutions, according to Zabala, looks forward to apply the sport sciences into the structure: “It means that we will develop an integral work protocol focused on the rider's performance, with all agents (coaches, doctors, soigneurs, mechanics) working collaboratively. It is meant to evolve a sport like cycling, that has changed in the last few years," explains Zabala. "Out philosophy is based on teamwork. It's obvious that the rider is the most important piece in the wheel, but not the only one. To make the rider's performance optimal, it is necessary to collaborate with the rider, the sports director, the coaches, the doctors, the nutritionist and all other members of a pro cycling team's staff. We all share interests, and we must walk together. Our labour is to try and get together all those pieces, integrate them so the result is the best possible one."


Individual, exhaustive attention
The practical application of that way of working means that the 25 riders from the Movistar Team will be controlled and helped in an entirely individual basis: "That way, their performance parameters, including training data, biomechanics, nutrition and psychology will be monitored and used to take the most adequate choices at all times." Movistar Team will be implementing the same standards of sporting preparation of high-end structures. The 25 Movistar Team riders have been working with these new methods for the 2013 season for the last few weeks. Taking advantage from the first pre-season camp held in mid November in the outskirts of Pamplona, the new work system was presented to the riders, who were assessed with the aim of extracting their batch data biomecanical, nutritional data and sporting habits to define their individual work plans.

Along with Dr. Zabala, a multi-discipline, huge team will cover all areas of performance for the Movistar Team, thanks to the collaboration, from the university side, of some of the most important research groups on the sciente of sport in the world. The working team includes professionals of cycling coaching like Xabier Artetxe, Manuel Mateo, Jorge Sanz or Francisco Cabello, who will take charge of the training and individual monitoring off all riders under the plans established.

According to Eusebio Unzué, Movistar Team general manager, "this agreement is a necessary step on the evolution of cycling, in order that the sciences of sport play the same role that they already do in other sports. It's putting all resources offered by science and technology at the riders' service."
 
Mar 10, 2009
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Zam_Olyas said:
Movistar added the Cycling Research Center organization (CRC), based in the University of Granada, to its staff. CRC will be responsible for all areas regarding the riders' performance. Several aspects, such as training, nutrition, biomechanics or psicology will be covered by an expert group of professionals directed by Mikel Zabala PhD, a professor and researcher in Physical Activity and Sport Sciences at the University of Granada, as well as director of the 'Prevent to win' ("Prevenir para ganar") program of the Royal Spanish Cycling Federation, related to education on values for clean sport.

The collaboration agreement between both institutions, according to Zabala, looks forward to apply the sport sciences into the structure: “It means that we will develop an integral work protocol focused on the rider's performance, with all agents (coaches, doctors, soigneurs, mechanics) working collaboratively. It is meant to evolve a sport like cycling, that has changed in the last few years," explains Zabala. "Out philosophy is based on teamwork. It's obvious that the rider is the most important piece in the wheel, but not the only one. To make the rider's performance optimal, it is necessary to collaborate with the rider, the sports director, the coaches, the doctors, the nutritionist and all other members of a pro cycling team's staff. We all share interests, and we must walk together. Our labour is to try and get together all those pieces, integrate them so the result is the best possible one."


Individual, exhaustive attention
The practical application of that way of working means that the 25 riders from the Movistar Team will be controlled and helped in an entirely individual basis: "That way, their performance parameters, including training data, biomechanics, nutrition and psychology will be monitored and used to take the most adequate choices at all times." Movistar Team will be implementing the same standards of sporting preparation of high-end structures. The 25 Movistar Team riders have been working with these new methods for the 2013 season for the last few weeks. Taking advantage from the first pre-season camp held in mid November in the outskirts of Pamplona, the new work system was presented to the riders, who were assessed with the aim of extracting their batch data biomecanical, nutritional data and sporting habits to define their individual work plans.

Along with Dr. Zabala, a multi-discipline, huge team will cover all areas of performance for the Movistar Team, thanks to the collaboration, from the university side, of some of the most important research groups on the sciente of sport in the world. The working team includes professionals of cycling coaching like Xabier Artetxe, Manuel Mateo, Jorge Sanz or Francisco Cabello, who will take charge of the training and individual monitoring off all riders under the plans established.

According to Eusebio Unzué, Movistar Team general manager, "this agreement is a necessary step on the evolution of cycling, in order that the sciences of sport play the same role that they already do in other sports. It's putting all resources offered by science and technology at the riders' service."
Interesting development this revolutionary scientific approach to cycling.

It might have escaped my attention, but I didn't see a swim coach as part of the 'collaboration between agents' to deliver tailored, one on one, high grade performance guidance. That must be an omission...

Then again, maybe bala works with curling coaches, to help him breath optimally during moments of psychological stress.
 
Zam_Olyas said:
Movistar added the Cycling Research Center organization (CRC), based in the University of Granada, to its staff. CRC will be responsible for all areas regarding the riders' performance. Several aspects, such as training, nutrition, biomechanics or psicology will be covered by an expert group of professionals directed by Mikel Zabala PhD, a professor and researcher in Physical Activity and Sport Sciences at the University of Granada, as well as director of the 'Prevent to win' ("Prevenir para ganar") program of the Royal Spanish Cycling Federation, related to education on values for clean sport.

The collaboration agreement between both institutions, according to Zabala, looks forward to apply the sport sciences into the structure: “It means that we will develop an integral work protocol focused on the rider's performance, with all agents (coaches, doctors, soigneurs, mechanics) working collaboratively. It is meant to evolve a sport like cycling, that has changed in the last few years," explains Zabala. "Out philosophy is based on teamwork. It's obvious that the rider is the most important piece in the wheel, but not the only one. To make the rider's performance optimal, it is necessary to collaborate with the rider, the sports director, the coaches, the doctors, the nutritionist and all other members of a pro cycling team's staff. We all share interests, and we must walk together. Our labour is to try and get together all those pieces, integrate them so the result is the best possible one."


Individual, exhaustive attention
The practical application of that way of working means that the 25 riders from the Movistar Team will be controlled and helped in an entirely individual basis: "That way, their performance parameters, including training data, biomechanics, nutrition and psychology will be monitored and used to take the most adequate choices at all times." Movistar Team will be implementing the same standards of sporting preparation of high-end structures. The 25 Movistar Team riders have been working with these new methods for the 2013 season for the last few weeks. Taking advantage from the first pre-season camp held in mid November in the outskirts of Pamplona, the new work system was presented to the riders, who were assessed with the aim of extracting their batch data biomecanical, nutritional data and sporting habits to define their individual work plans.

Along with Dr. Zabala, a multi-discipline, huge team will cover all areas of performance for the Movistar Team, thanks to the collaboration, from the university side, of some of the most important research groups on the sciente of sport in the world. The working team includes professionals of cycling coaching like Xabier Artetxe, Manuel Mateo, Jorge Sanz or Francisco Cabello, who will take charge of the training and individual monitoring off all riders under the plans established.

According to Eusebio Unzué, Movistar Team general manager, "this agreement is a necessary step on the evolution of cycling, in order that the sciences of sport play the same role that they already do in other sports. It's putting all resources offered by science and technology at the riders' service."
It would be much simpler just to hire Ferrari.
 
Jul 7, 2013
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The youngster Quintana attacked from far out and was "just" 29s behind Froome. If Froome is such an obvious doper Quintana must at least be in the suspicion area. Or is Quitana's performance credible because he has always been a huge talent who is now coming into his own? If so, then you agree that a clean talented climber can go almost as fast a fulldoped rider equal to Armstrong. And many seem to believe that Quintana will just get better, if so he will reach Froome level considering how close he is now. Seems to be some inconsistency here
 
Jun 24, 2013
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Quintana had already shown his huge talent multiple times before half of the cycling fans had ever heard about Chris Froome.
 

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