Ryo Hazuki said:if they are dirty then they sure as hell suck now. just compare to first half of 2000s and 90s and compare difference in racing.
Iam sorry I do believe they " cleaner" but not clean by any mean
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Ryo Hazuki said:if they are dirty then they sure as hell suck now. just compare to first half of 2000s and 90s and compare difference in racing.
hrotha also had some good posts pointing out that the terms of an equation cannot always be turned around.Dear Wiggo said:I completely missed this post (CN forum software cookies never work for me in maintaining last read post in a thread ) and then saw it quoted.
Thank you, Hitch, for understanding what I was saying. It was exactly as you have written.
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TANK91 said:Movistar are disgusting. Worst than Sky who the hell were the riders riding like moto's on early slopes of Zoncolon? Izaguirre was one i think but they were in a another race you only have to watch that clip to see the GC riders getting destroyed by Movistar's doms. It was so funny they were even putting Quintana in trouble for a moment.
sniper said:hrotha also had some good posts pointing out that the terms of an equation cannot always be turned around.
There are certain factors (e.g. non-exhaustion after big performance, training in tenerife, testing positive, having a dodgy doc on board, etc.) which indicate doping. But the absence of those factors does not provide any proof of cleanliness.
Only for a few meters. How can you conclude anything from that pull???TANK91 said:Movistar are disgusting. Worst than Sky who the hell were the riders riding like moto's on early slopes of Zoncolon? Izaguirre was one i think but they were in a another race you only have to watch that clip to see the GC riders getting destroyed by Movistar's doms. It was so funny they were even putting Quintana in trouble for a moment.
The coffee and honey finishing bottle kicked in too fast, dont worry.TANK91 said:Movistar are disgusting. Worst than Sky who the hell were the riders riding like moto's on early slopes of Zoncolon? Izaguirre was one i think but they were in a another race you only have to watch that clip to see the GC riders getting destroyed by Movistar's doms. It was so funny they were even putting Quintana in trouble for a moment.
Libertine Seguros said:Izagirre and Igor Antón.
Izagirre dropped several minutes later on the climb, and Igor Antón won on Zoncolan in 2011 and is a mere shell of the super-climber he was in 2008 and 2010.
Netserk said:I don't even have to try to 'outsmarten' you
You clearly don't have a clue, so let me dumb it down to kindergarten level for you.
That calculated W/kg is only based on the time of the ride, not the weight of the rider. When calculating with the weight of the rider [CPL], a heavy rider would in reality do less than 5.99 and a lighter rider (like Quintana) would do more than 5.99 as you can see here:
I know the weight probably is wrong, but it doesn't really matter, as long as it's way under 70kg my point stands (with 59kg it's 6.19 W/kg, still far more than Ferrari's number).
I don't buy into the story of being very sick. He has a history of playing mind games. He will do it again.offbyone said:Interesting. Berzin closes the thread on Quintana because apparently the clinic isn't allowed to have unfounded accusations (news to me) yet we have a 50 page thread on movistar where quite a few people are questioning Quintana along with them.
I don't follow the policy.
I think there is plenty to talk about myself. Being on Movistar doesn't help. It was pretty unbelievable that he somehow got stronger in a grand tour despite being horribly sick and in cold bad weather the whole time. Impressive recovery without rest. Possible without drugs? Then of course there is the Columbia connection which opens a can of worms in itself.
As far as I can tell this is more evidence than most of these threads start with. It certainly seemed worth a conversation. I was most curious to see what the forum experts have to say about it. I would have loved to see people put out the evidence (for or against) such as VAM on some of the Giro climbs.
offbyone said:Interesting. Berzin closes the thread on Quintana because apparently the clinic isn't allowed to have unfounded accusations (news to me) yet we have a 50 page thread on movistar where quite a few people are questioning Quintana along with them.
I don't follow the policy.
I think there is plenty to talk about myself. Being on Movistar doesn't help. It was pretty unbelievable that he somehow got stronger in a grand tour despite being horribly sick and in cold bad weather the whole time. Impressive recovery without rest. Possible without drugs? Then of course there is the Columbia connection which opens a can of worms in itself.
As far as I can tell this is more evidence than most of these threads start with. It certainly seemed worth a conversation. I was most curious to see what the forum experts have to say about it. I would have loved to see people put out the evidence (for or against) such as VAM on some of the Giro climbs.
I don't get it Movistar are disgusting, but if other teams are doing it is ok. WtfFearless Greg Lemond said:The coffee and honey finishing bottle kicked in too fast, dont worry.
I don't understand Movistar are disgusting,but if other teams are doing it is ok.WtfTANK91 said:Movistar are disgusting. Worst than Sky who the hell were the riders riding like moto's on early slopes of Zoncolon? Izaguirre was one i think but they were in a another race you only have to watch that clip to see the GC riders getting destroyed by Movistar's doms. It was so funny they were even putting Quintana in trouble for a moment.
MBotero said:I don't understand Movistar are disgusting,but if other teams are doing it is ok.Wtf
MBotero said:As a cyclist fun i don't get this full slaming of a team don't matter if is Movistar,Sky etc doping or not doping this attitude looks extreme.
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the sceptic said:No horse steroid TUE?