Mustafa Sayar positive

[Dazed and Confused]

Same team, of course, too.

I know they were keen to foster the sport in Turkey with a home winner, but in retrospect they probably bit off more than they could chew. They knew they screwed up last year with Gabrovski, because he crushed everybody on Elmali by a minute and a half, but the rest of the squad wasn't strong enough, so to hold on for the win he had to chase every attack solo all week, which was just another level on top of the Elmali victory. And as a 34 year old who hadn't had any impact in western Europe for a decade nobody bought it.

They didn't make that mistake again, and the addition of the second uphill finish gave them the perfect opportunity to play the game - Sayar was able to finish close to the front on Elmali without taking the leader's jersey, which meant that they could attack to take the win on the second mountaintop at Selçuk and only have to defend for two flat stages, which would be more doable believably with their resources. However, they underestimated how unbelievable it would look coming from Sayar - or indeed any of the young Turks on the squad, of whom Sayar was perhaps the most legitimately promising - at that point in time, especially with Gabrovski the previous year in mind. Looking at their squad, if they were going to aim to win - dope or no dope - in their home race it would have made far more logical sense for them to go all in for David de la Fuente. He could have podiumed on Elmali and won on Selçuk and people might have bought it. After all, he's been a solid climber at the top level, reasonable palmarès, was a key domestique in Cobo's Vuelta win, and on a team that target that race, against the less than stellar climbing field he would face in the Tour of Turkey, he could be bought as a legitimate winner on those climbs, even if the spectre of Gabrovski in 2012 would still loom large. And Törku could still have gone for their Turkish winner in Turkey if they'd been a bit more patient. Let Sayar be his key domestique, showing well, and building results. And importantly, not totally sucking everywhere else (since Turkey Sayar has DNFed everything he's entered except the nationals). Then, in 2014, Sayar can step up and it won't be as preposterous. But instead they got impatient, they wanted the Turkish winner now, and rather than step up the program and try to make it believable, the guy went from nowhere to full program and rode uphill in a gear Peter Weening would baulk at, dropping everybody as he Grabsched his way up the mountainside, then back to nowhere, and if anything looked even more ridiculous than Gabrovski did. Amateur hour tactics from Törku.

lol, nice recap.

 

[BroDeal]

Same team, of course, too.

I know they were keen to foster the sport in Turkey with a home winner, but in retrospect they probably bit off more than they could chew. They knew they screwed up last year with Gabrovski, because he crushed everybody on Elmali by a minute and a half, but the rest of the squad wasn't strong enough, so to hold on for the win he had to chase every attack solo all week, which was just another level on top of the Elmali victory. And as a 34 year old who hadn't had any impact in western Europe for a decade nobody bought it.

They didn't make that mistake again, and the addition of the second uphill finish gave them the perfect opportunity to play the game - Sayar was able to finish close to the front on Elmali without taking the leader's jersey, which meant that they could attack to take the win on the second mountaintop at Selçuk and only have to defend for two flat stages, which would be more doable believably with their resources. However, they underestimated how unbelievable it would look coming from Sayar - or indeed any of the young Turks on the squad, of whom Sayar was perhaps the most legitimately promising - at that point in time, especially with Gabrovski the previous year in mind. Looking at their squad, if they were going to aim to win - dope or no dope - in their home race it would have made far more logical sense for them to go all in for David de la Fuente. He could have podiumed on Elmali and won on Selçuk and people might have bought it. After all, he's been a solid climber at the top level, reasonable palmarès, was a key domestique in Cobo's Vuelta win, and on a team that target that race, against the less than stellar climbing field he would face in the Tour of Turkey, he could be bought as a legitimate winner on those climbs, even if the spectre of Gabrovski in 2012 would still loom large. And Törku could still have gone for their Turkish winner in Turkey if they'd been a bit more patient. Let Sayar be his key domestique, showing well, and building results. And importantly, not totally sucking everywhere else (since Turkey Sayar has DNFed everything he's entered except the nationals). Then, in 2014, Sayar can step up and it won't be as preposterous. But instead they got impatient, they wanted the Turkish winner now, and rather than step up the program and try to make it believable, the guy went from nowhere to full program and rode uphill in a gear Peter Weening would baulk at, dropping everybody as he Grabsched his way up the mountainside, then back to nowhere, and if anything looked even more ridiculous than Gabrovski did. Amateur hour tactics from Törku.

There are a lot of these dopers who cannot help themselves. Their performance is goosed so high above what is natural that they feel like Superman, so they cannot resist showing off, even though it looks utterly ridiculous to everyone watching. The funny thing about it is those who are so clueless they actually believe what they are seeing.

 

[Ferminal]

Same team, of course, too.

I know they were keen to foster the sport in Turkey with a home winner, but in retrospect they probably bit off more than they could chew. They knew they screwed up last year with Gabrovski, because he crushed everybody on Elmali by a minute and a half, but the rest of the squad wasn't strong enough, so to hold on for the win he had to chase every attack solo all week, which was just another level on top of the Elmali victory. And as a 34 year old who hadn't had any impact in western Europe for a decade nobody bought it.

Bit harsh on Hazuki.

 

[go crazy]

I remember laughing my *** off when Sayar was mashing that giant gear to ludicrous victory a few months back.

Again and again I find the most reliable method of spotting a doper is not statistical examination, but simply noting that the performance looks ****ing ridiculous on a fundamental instinctive level. Ridiculous looking performance equals doper. If it looks wrong - it is wrong. Always.

Not exactly admissible in court unfortunately....

This is god damn right!!! Froome does NOT even come close to passing the eyeball test. Watching those accelerations again today, it literally made my stomach upset, because I felt like at any moment his heart was going to explode. Those accelerations on that steep a climb is something I've never seen before (although the battle with Cobo on the Pena Cabarga was pretty disgusting too).

 

[skidmark]

I did note in amusement Sayar's defence when questioned at the ToT that his performance improvement was due to training hard and living at high altitude.

yeah, I heard he had been sleeping on volcanoes and stuff! Seemed legit.

 

[42x16ss]

Same team, of course, too.

I know they were keen to foster the sport in Turkey with a home winner, but in retrospect they probably bit off more than they could chew. They knew they screwed up last year with Gabrovski, because he crushed everybody on Elmali by a minute and a half, but the rest of the squad wasn't strong enough, so to hold on for the win he had to chase every attack solo all week, which was just another level on top of the Elmali victory. And as a 34 year old who hadn't had any impact in western Europe for a decade nobody bought it.

They didn't make that mistake again, and the addition of the second uphill finish gave them the perfect opportunity to play the game - Sayar was able to finish close to the front on Elmali without taking the leader's jersey, which meant that they could attack to take the win on the second mountaintop at Selçuk and only have to defend for two flat stages, which would be more doable believably with their resources. However, they underestimated how unbelievable it would look coming from Sayar - or indeed any of the young Turks on the squad, of whom Sayar was perhaps the most legitimately promising - at that point in time, especially with Gabrovski the previous year in mind. Looking at their squad, if they were going to aim to win - dope or no dope - in their home race it would have made far more logical sense for them to go all in for David de la Fuente. He could have podiumed on Elmali and won on Selçuk and people might have bought it. After all, he's been a solid climber at the top level, reasonable palmarès, was a key domestique in Cobo's Vuelta win, and on a team that target that race, against the less than stellar climbing field he would face in the Tour of Turkey, he could be bought as a legitimate winner on those climbs, even if the spectre of Gabrovski in 2012 would still loom large. And Törku could still have gone for their Turkish winner in Turkey if they'd been a bit more patient. Let Sayar be his key domestique, showing well, and building results. And importantly, not totally sucking everywhere else (since Turkey Sayar has DNFed everything he's entered except the nationals). Then, in 2014, Sayar can step up and it won't be as preposterous. But instead they got impatient, they wanted the Turkish winner now, and rather than step up the program and try to make it believable, the guy went from nowhere to full program and rode uphill in a gear Peter Weening would baulk at, dropping everybody as he Grabsched his way up the mountainside, then back to nowhere, and if anything looked even more ridiculous than Gabrovski did. Amateur hour tactics from Törku.

As usual, every word you said is correct. If de la Fuente was the one to go full *** people would have bought it, the guy is a very decent climber and it would seem a safe assumption that he was chasing a better contract.

If teams don't want to be called out or targeted at least have the common decency to use believable guinea pigs *cough*Brailsford*cough*

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I bet Constantino Z. feels cheated out of his podiumspot in Algeria!

So, it took the doping police four months to discover his r_epo positive. Did his old samples got retested after Kittel's accusation? More important, why wasnt he found out immediately after the Tour de Algeria? Not tested for r_epo? Not tested for microdosing?

Or, maybe the positive was on the shelve to be released on a nice date? Tour de France rest day always is a good time for that

Re - Kittel;
It is good to know the peloton can spot a doper by performance, it seems like that craft isnt so difficult after all.

 

[neineinei]

Let's hope the communications between the riders/teams and UCI is a bit better than having to rely on half cryptic 140 character long public tweets. The peloton was up in arms because of Torku Şekerspor last year, imagine their feelings this year. UCI must have gotten piles of mails, letters and calls about this.

UCI should retest old samples of all winners, not only the Tour of Turkey winners.

 

[frenchfry]

Sayer is using the classic French lab conspiracy defence.

Not very original.

 

[manafana]

does anyone know if they have tested his turkey samples, by sounds of him he seems think the way he was doping wouldnt have been caught out in turkey and that he tripped up in algeria still glowing

 

[Fus087]

he tripped up in algeria still glowing

Would be already glowing.
Algeria was one month before Turkey.