Mustafa Sayar positive

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hrotha said:
Why? Because he spoke out against someone you like? Even though he was, you know, right?

It is easy to pick the obvious brown guy on a small team that no one in Europe cares about. Where is Kittel when it comes to the obvious white guy on the big team in the Tour?
 
BroDeal said:
It is easy to pick the obivous brown guy on a small team that no one in Europe cares about. Where is Kittel when it comes to the obvious white guy on the big team in the Tour?
That's not what I was getting at. It's more about the Contador fans here.

I agree with your point about easy targets, I've said so myself several times here.
 
Yeah, here is the article where Kittel tweeted this, and also Saxo team had tweeted, then deleted the questionable performance.

http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/2013/04/29/talking-clean/


One noted estimate of his climbing data was this:

"But Sayar finished an anonymous 160th in last year’s ToT and his best finish there was in 2010, in 62nd (twice he has failed to finish). His power output on the final climb of his stage win was calculated at 6.3w/kg according to one model; by comparison, that would put Sayar in the top 10 on the crucial 2012 Tour de France stage to la Planche des Belles Filles, just behind the Sky duo of Chris Froome and Wiggins."

"It’s unfortunate but, given the sport’s history, performances that look too good to be true have often turned out to be just that."

Sounds familiar right? Froome maybe one day? Armstrong and others for sure.


Finally and always...why the f&*k does it always take 3 months for information and lab work that was available to be tested released so long after the fact??? Yeah, the system is broke.
 
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Not really a Bert fan by the way. I just like that pic. I feel it says something about cycling.
 
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King Boonen said:
Lets not imply someone is racist without any evidence.


As for Sky, maybe he believes in them?

Maybe he knows which side of his toast has jam on it.

And put it this way: he's clearly not that concerned about the sensitivity around a prominent German going for a Turk on twitter
 
taiwan said:
Maybe he knows which side of his toast has jam on it.

And put it this way: he's clearly not that concerned about the sensitivity around a prominent German going for a Turk on twitter

Why would you view it like that? Why not view it as an athlete outing one he knows is cheating?
 
King Boonen said:
As for Sky, maybe he believes in them?

Funny how the European peloton believes in their own while calling out a small fry rider in a small fry race in a small fry cycling country. The Tour of Freaking Turkey? It is meaningless. Kittel might as well have complained about fifty year old freds using testosterone in a local crit.
 
BroDeal said:
Funny how the European peloton believes in their own while calling out a small fry rider in a small fry race in a small fry cycling country. The Tour of Freaking Turkey? It is meaningless. Kittel might as well have complained about fifty year old freds using testosterone in a local crit.

I don't know that obviously, but just a suggestion.

As far as I'm concerned anything is better than nothing, there's no need to imply racism.

I agree he should call out others, but then that's up to him.
 
King Boonen said:
I don't know that obviously, but just a suggestion.

As far as I'm concerned anything is better than nothing, there's no need to imply racism.

I agree he should call out others, but then that's up to him.

How do you explain it? He calls out a guy named Mustafa, who in the world of cycling is pretty much irrelevant. Meanwhile when his clubbing buddy, Chris, makes a mockery of cycling's biggest event, just rips to shreds the idea that the sport has cleaned up, he has nothing to say.
 
BroDeal said:
How do you explain it? He calls out a guy named Mustafa, who in the world of cycling is pretty much irrelevant. Meanwhile when his clubbing buddy, Chris, makes a mockery of cycling's biggest event, just rips to shreds the idea that the sport has cleaned up, he has nothing to say.

I've already explained it, as well as I can because, quite frankly, my name isn't Marcell Kittel. Maybe he believes in Sky? Who knows. Just don't imply someone is a racist with absolutely no evidence.

He called out a doper, that's what fans want isn't it?
 
King Boonen said:
He called out a doper, that's what fans want isn't it?

Yes and no ... because calling out the nobody doper in a nothing race smacks of protecting the "club".

But, I can see a less malign explanation in that maybe Kittel would in a perfect world like to call out some big fish but is worried about Omerta and professional blow back. He's not much worried about needing to find a job on a Turkish team any day soon, so Sayar is an easy target.
 
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BroDeal said:
Funny how the European peloton believes in their own while calling out a small fry rider in a small fry race in a small fry cycling country. The Tour of Freaking Turkey? It is meaningless. Kittel might as well have complained about fifty year old freds using testosterone in a local crit.

Come on now..our buddy Papsmear would disagree ;)
 
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I remember laughing my *** off when Sayar was mashing that giant gear to ludicrous victory a few months back.

Again and again I find the most reliable method of spotting a doper is not statistical examination, but simply noting that the performance looks ****ing ridiculous on a fundamental instinctive level. Ridiculous looking performance equals doper. If it looks wrong - it is wrong. Always.

Not exactly admissible in court unfortunately....
 
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Can't we just ban an entire team already? I would have thought that Torku would have learned to hide their doping a little better since last year. Guess not. :rolleyes:
 
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Red Lobster said:
Yes and no ... because calling out the nobody doper in a nothing race smacks of protecting the "club".

But, I can see a less malign explanation in that maybe Kittel would in a perfect world like to call out some big fish but is worried about Omerta and professional blow back. He's not much worried about needing to find a job on a Turkish team any day soon, so Sayar is an easy target.
Watching the race yesterday not only reminded me of Kittel's tweet but the Eurosport commentators, who where as bad if not worse than Kittel, with their accusations at the Tour of Turkey. And look at the reaction of the same commentators yesterday.....