Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[Gigs_98]

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Overrated on GC. His climbing strength isn't really what it's been cracked out to be, evident through the TT-light Tour and the mountain stacked Vuleta. Potential for future wins under very weak competition only.

How is he overrated? one of the top 3 climbers of the world, with only 25 years. And please stop to post such nonsense like that he is a bad time trialist. He is mediocre and Contador was bad in TT's too when he was younger

 

[SergeDeM]

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To all those that see him as a one trick pony:
6th in the 38.6Km Vuelta 2015 ITT, only 1:33 behind Tom Dumoulin.
Keep it in mind for when he wins the tour after "somehow" not sucking in an ITT.

So what?

Thats a mediocre result. There were like 6 or 7 riders in that same time range.

Come back when your god Nairo beats a Cancellara-like in a 50+ km time trial.

Meanwhile, dont forget to keep the hype up.

LOL.
Yeah, I totally forgot that beating Cancellara-like in a 50+ km TT is prerequisite for winning the Tour, which is why Tony Martin has all those TDFs in his palmares.

BTW, yes, finishing 6th means about 6 or 7 riders were in that timeframe. Congrats on the mad math skills. Although it really means only 5, and of those only 2 were GC contenders

 

[Iker_Baqueiro]

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To all those that see him as a one trick pony:
6th in the 38.6Km Vuelta 2015 ITT, only 1:33 behind Tom Dumoulin.
Keep it in mind for when he wins the tour after "somehow" not sucking in an ITT.

So what?

Thats a mediocre result. There were like 6 or 7 riders in that same time range.

Come back when your god Nairo beats a Cancellara-like in a 50+ km time trial.

Meanwhile, dont forget to keep the hype up.

LOL.
Yeah, I totally forgot that beating Cancellara-like in a 50+ km TT is prerequisite for winning the Tour, which is why Tony Martin has all those TDFs in his palmares.

BTW, yes, finishing 6th means about 6 or 7 riders were in that timeframe. Congrats on the mad math skills. Although it really means only 5, and of those only 2 were GC contenders

I was referring to the really great all around riders, such as, Miguel Indurain and Alberto Contador. I think Bernard Hinault might be there too.

And these were the 6 riders in about the same time range today:

Place Delta to Winner
4 Vasil Kiryienka (Blr) Team Sky 0:01:31
5 Jerome Coppel (Fra) IAM Cycling 0:01:32
6 Nairo Quintana (Col) Movistar Team 0:01:33
7 Romain Sicard (Fra) Team Europcar 0:01:36
8 Nelson Oliveira (Por) Lampre-Merida 0:01:38
9 Stephen Cummings (GBr) MTN - Qhubeka 0:01:40

All of them are "good" times, but, they are several steps down from the really elite guys. So, nothing to brag about for a 6th place here. That is just keeping the hype up.

 

[Metabolol]

Quintana is not a great TTer but when he performs well in the TTs he puts in very solid performances. Had he been fresh as Aru coming into this Vuelta he would have been leading it pretty comfortably at this stage (with Froome not left in the race).

 

[sir fly]

How ever you rate Quintana's tt performance today, I think the certain thing is he won't be too much handicapped in the discipline against principal GT rivals (like some other pure climbers were and are). Even less as time goes by.

 

[Son of Amsterhammer]

Losing only 1.30 to TD on that course is impressive. LOL at anyone hating on him, he's looking great for a fantastic career at this stage. Let's not forget in the Tour he got caught out on Stage two and lost over a minute to Froome. In reality, it was very close in the end.

 

[DFA123]

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How ever you rate Quintana's tt performance today, I think the certain thing is he won't be too much handicapped in the discipline against principal GT rivals (like some other pure climbers were and are). Even less as time goes by.

Possibly not, but he could still easily lose two minutes to Froome on a long route; especially if Froome regains his 2013 TT form. That's a tough ask to make up in the mountains; especially if Quintana continues to struggle to reach top form until the third week.

 

[damian13ster]

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Overrated on GC. His climbing strength isn't really what it's been cracked out to be, evident through the TT-light Tour and the mountain stacked Vuleta. Potential for future wins under very weak competition only.

Thinking that climbing is his only strenght in a GT and also throwing in Vuelta that hasn't even finished yet as an example is speaking volumes of the quality of your argument.
Only Contador of current riders, had comparable palmares to Quintanas at his current age. So much for overrating...

But it is his only straight. Mediocre in TTs, not going to do anything downhill, not agressive, didn't show a great tactical sense. One-trick pony. Top 3 in the world in that one specialization, but any GT that offers a rider like that a chance to win is a disgrace. It should be the best overall rider. One trick ponies such as Kittel and Quintana should be fighting for KOTM and Green

This made me laugh- Quintana should only target KOTM?? 1st in Giro, twice 2nd in TDF, 2 white jerseys, 1 KOTM jersey and a stage win plus looking good for top 5 Vuelta too (and that is forgetting any performances outside GT's) He is only 25 and has achieved more than most of the best riders in the world could only dream of. Also did you see his TT today at the Vuelta? Pretty strong performance (yes not many TT experts are at the vuelta, but he beat pretty much every GC rider).

I am not saying he should target. Not with routes designed the way they are.
All I am saying is the route designs should be changed to include 3-4 time trials, 3-4 cobble stages, 2-3 hilly stages, 3-4 serious MTFs, and 5-6 flat/crosswind stages.

Learning comprehensive reading would really help...

 

[52520Andrew]

Quintana has finished 2nd in 2 Tours, won a Giro, has himself in position for a top 5 finish in the Vuelta in his first Tour Vuelta combo, and the time gap that costed him most in this past Tour had nothing to do with mountains or TT but getting caught out in an early stage when the wind split things up. I can understand people who just want to wait for Quintana to stack more wins but he is certainly capable of doing such, even in a strong field.

 

[Escarabajo]

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To all those that see him as a one trick pony:
6th in the 38.6Km Vuelta 2015 ITT, only 1:33 behind Tom Dumoulin.
Keep it in mind for when he wins the tour after "somehow" not sucking in an ITT.

So what?

Thats a mediocre result. There were like 6 or 7 riders in that same time range.

Come back when your god Nairo beats a Cancellara-like in a 50+ km time trial.

Meanwhile, dont forget to keep the hype up.

LOL.
I cannot believe that you have been watching cycling since Miguel Induraín.

 

[SergeDeM]

Re: Re:

To all those that see him as a one trick pony:
6th in the 38.6Km Vuelta 2015 ITT, only 1:33 behind Tom Dumoulin.
Keep it in mind for when he wins the tour after "somehow" not sucking in an ITT.

So what?

Thats a mediocre result. There were like 6 or 7 riders in that same time range.

Come back when your god Nairo beats a Cancellara-like in a 50+ km time trial.

Meanwhile, dont forget to keep the hype up.

LOL.
Yeah, I totally forgot that beating Cancellara-like in a 50+ km TT is prerequisite for winning the Tour, which is why Tony Martin has all those TDFs in his palmares.

BTW, yes, finishing 6th means about 6 or 7 riders were in that timeframe. Congrats on the mad math skills. Although it really means only 5, and of those only 2 were GC contenders

I was referring to the really great all around riders, such as, Miguel Indurain and Alberto Contador. I think Bernard Hinault might be there too.

Woah there!!!
Sure, Quintana's good and he'll probably win the Tour one day, but did you really just compare him to the all time greats? Dude please tone down the Quintana hype a bit

 

[Escarabajo]

@ damian13ster, so now is Quintana's fault that he was born small?
He is the best at what he can do for a rider of his size.

 

[DFA123]

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To all those that see him as a one trick pony:
6th in the 38.6Km Vuelta 2015 ITT, only 1:33 behind Tom Dumoulin.
Keep it in mind for when he wins the tour after "somehow" not sucking in an ITT.

So what?

Thats a mediocre result. There were like 6 or 7 riders in that same time range.

Come back when your god Nairo beats a Cancellara-like in a 50+ km time trial.

Meanwhile, dont forget to keep the hype up.

)

I was referring to the really great all around riders, such as, Miguel Indurain and Alberto Contador. I think Bernard Hinault might be there too.

Really? Quintana has already won more Grand Tour mountain stages than Indurain did in his career. Superb rider though he was, he was hardly a great all rounder.

At Quintana's age his best GT result was 17th in the Tour de France, so probably best to hold off on the comparisons yet.

 

[damian13ster]

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@ damian13ster, so now is Quintana's fault that he was born small?
He is the best at what he can do for a rider of his size.

Jesus, where did I say that?
All I am saying is that current routes for GCs suck and are completely unbalanced

 

[Moviestar]

And Nairo keeps on improving. He is doing very well with the knowledge of accumulated fatigueness of the Tour and he seems to cope with back to back GT's. This has been a important year for him in terms of gaining experience/mental strength: Neeltje Jans, never abandoned despite his minor (sick) days ( Romandie/Vuelta) and fighting for the general in back to back GT's.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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And Nairo keeps on improving. He is doing very well with the knowledge of accumulated fatigueness of the Tour and he seems to cope with back to back GT's. This has been a important year for him in terms of gaining experience/mental strength: Neeltje Jans, never abandoned despite his minor (sick) days ( Romandie/Vuelta) and fighting for the general in back to back GT's.

Completely agree. Finishing the Vuelta like this is huge, he has gotten a lot stronger this year. The one tactical bummer he made on La Touissuire Im sure he learned from, apart from that, a very good season. I would have liked to see him with at least a stage win in the Tour, as far as I remember, the only stage he won was in T-A which I dont think is good enough from a caliber like Nairo. That obviously also have to do with the tactics of Movistar, but he can for sure affect that if he feels well, fx. on Alpe which he should have won. Ill blame Unzue for that, tho.

 

[Escarabajo]

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@ damian13ster, so now is Quintana's fault that he was born small?
He is the best at what he can do for a rider of his size.

Jesus, where did I say that?
All I am saying is that current routes for GCs suck and are completely unbalanced

You said 1 trick pony. Do the math!

 

[AlexNYC]

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I am not saying he should target. Not with routes designed the way they are.
All I am saying is the route designs should be changed to include 3-4 time trials, 3-4 cobble stages, 2-3 hilly stages, 3-4 serious MTFs, and 5-6 flat/crosswind stages.

Learning comprehensive reading would really help...

Let me see if I can reconstruct your inscrutable logic from the beginning of your participation in this thread:

1. Quintana finishes 2nd in his first Tour: he's overrated
2. Quintana wins the 2014 Giro: he didn't beat anyone important, let's see him repeat his Tour performance
3. Quintana finishes 2nd in his second Tour: silence...
4. Quintana struggles during the first part of the 2015 vuelta due to being ill AND tired from the Tour: I told you he was overrated
5. Quintana does really well in an ITT that doesn't suit him after being ill AND tired from the Tour: these GT routes nowadays are a joke, I want to see how he does against the likes of Eddy Merckx in a GT designed by ME

 

[damian13ster]

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@ damian13ster, so now is Quintana's fault that he was born small?
He is the best at what he can do for a rider of his size.

Jesus, where did I say that?
All I am saying is that current routes for GCs suck and are completely unbalanced

You said 1 trick pony. Do the math!

Because he is one trick pony.
It might be because he was born small, which is not his fault. What is your point?

 

[DNP-Old]

Decent Vuelta for Nairo, considering his fever in the stage to Andorra and the fact he rode the Tour. Makes you wonder what would've happened if he didn't get ill. Looks like contending in both the Tour and Vuelta is still possible.

 

[Arredondo]

The guy just has an incredible endurance.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Decent Vuelta for Nairo, considering his fever in the stage to Andorra and the fact he rode the Tour. Makes you wonder what would've happened if he didn't get ill. Looks like contending in both the Tour and Vuelta is still possible.

Indeed its still possible, he lost the Vuelta in Andorra while being sick, you cant really account for that - altho I think you'll have a lot more easy catching sickness when tired fx. after a Tour.

Top-3 climber coupled with the best recovery in the world. Has showed on a couple occasions he can defend himself very well in TT''s as well. Hoping he tries again next year, cut San Luis off, T-A - Vasco - Romandie - TdF - Vuelta.

 

[Moviestar]

Nairo Quintana at age 25

1er Giro 2014
2e TDF 2013, 2015
4e Vuelta 2015

Tour du Pays basque 2013
Tirreno ADriatico 2015

tour de l'Avenir 2010

Maillot meilleur jeune Tour de FRance 2013, 2015
Maillot meilleur jeune Giro Italia 2014
Maillot meilleur grimpeur Tour de france 2013

+
Tour de Murcie 2012
Route du Sud 2012
Tour de Burgos 2013, 2014
Tour de San Luis 2014
Tour d'Emilie 2012

Enormous

 

[ILovecycling]

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Nairo Quintana at age 25

1er Giro 2014
2e TDF 2013, 2015
4e Vuelta 2015

Tour du Pays basque 2013
Tirreno ADriatico 2015

tour de l'Avenir 2010

Maillot meilleur jeune Tour de FRance 2013, 2015
Maillot meilleur jeune Giro Italia 2014
Maillot meilleur grimpeur Tour de france 2013

+
Tour de Murcie 2012
Route du Sud 2012
Tour de Burgos 2013, 2014
Tour de San Luis 2014
Tour d'Emilie 2012

Enormous

But one thing is above all of this.Best recovery in the sport,insane ability.He really needs GT to be 4 week long

Great race ,great spirit by Nairo, he earned my satisfactiin again after Tour.

 

[portugal11]

Contador has the best recovery... tour as second gt is way more difficult than vuelta as second gt... nairo will win le tour in 3 years, that for sure