Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[DFA123]

I think Quintana can still win the Tour, but he needs to ride his own race. He doesn't need to attack now when Froome and Sky are strong - he has to ignore the idiotic fans and be patient. He needs to wait to the third week, when everyone is tired, and just ride the climbs at his threshold - if it's good enough to ride Froome off his wheel then so be it. Doing repeated attacks is such a counter-productive tactic for a rider with his power profile - especially when Sky still have numerous riders left in their train.

 

[DFA123]

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I want to hear what he has to say. PSM last year was understandable, but getting dropped most of the other climbers is strange indeed.

He burnt himself out, doing speculatue attacks which everyone was criticizing him for not doing. The guy can't win. He's not an exciting rider - he has an amazing aerobic ability and great recovery, but doesn't have the punch to really animate a race.

 

[Escarabajo]

No reason to bash Quintana if he is not good anyway. The fact that he didn't attack is because he was weak and was on the limit.

Of course he is lucky, but I don't think that he is going to win anyway. So no need to keep trashing him.

 

[Isaak-Gabriel]

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Quintana cannot train in Colombia anymore. Not because of the altitude but because of the crowds. He became a celebrity there. When I was there he was lucky if he could ride his bike without disturbance. Not good. Time to adjust training.

He is wasting one of the best opportunities ever.

Now I was right. He was cooked in Arcalis. When he is good he attacks. Whether is on the last kilometer is another thing but what he did in Arcalis is a proof that he was done.

After tomorrow the only thing that waits for him is a long 3rd week.

And those windy flat stages didn't help him.

He trains with police escort no ?

 

[burning]

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As an aside, his decision not to attack at Arcalis looks even better now.

If he dropped Froome today, I am pretty sure that you would have posted same thing. He got killed because of yesterday, not because he did nothing at Arcalis.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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No reason to bash Quintana if he is not good anyway. The fact that he didn't attack is because he was weak and was on the limit.

Of course he is lucky, but I don't think that he is going to win anyway. So no need to keep trashing him.

For sure I don't hope he attacked due to pressure from the outside.

And interesting insider.

 

[SeriousSam]

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As an aside, his decision not to attack at Arcalis looks even better now.

If he dropped Froome today, I am pretty sure that you would have posted same thing. He got killed because of yesterday, not because he did nothing at Arcalis.

That he got killed provides us with information about how strong he was at Arcalis, and thus about how much time he could have gained, or lost, with an attack there.

Today's weakness ought to have everyone adjusting their belief about how strong he was Arcalis downwards. How much is unclear, but the direction is clear enough.

 

[burning]

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As an aside, his decision not to attack at Arcalis looks even better now.

If he dropped Froome today, I am pretty sure that you would have posted same thing. He got killed because of yesterday, not because he did nothing at Arcalis.

That he got killed provides us with information about how strong he was at Arcalis, and thus about how much time he could have gained, or lost, with an attack there.

Today's weakness ought to have everyone adjusting their belief about how strong he was Arcalis downwards. How much is unclear, but the direction is clear enough.

He easily followed a full *** attack at Arcalis and he got dropped by 10 riders even though he is supposed to have the best recovery. It is clear that he spend more energy than Froome in yesterday and he just paid the price. Again, if Quintana dropped everyone today, I am pretty sure that you would have made the same post.

 

[deValtos]

People got so caught up in this whole "survive week 1" and "week 3" that they just ignore the profiles of the stages.

I've said before but ... Rest Day -> Windy flat stage -> Windy flat stage -> Windy flat run up to 9.6km climb is a massively Froome favoured set of events. Just because it's not in week 1 though people think it's Quintanas day and it seems that the team and him also bought it which is a shame ...

However on the Arcalis stage it was Mountain stage -> Tough mountain stage -> Real tough mountain stage run up to Arcalis. Now that was Quintana favoured. Not as favoured though had it been in the 3rd week but still.

Everyone else including the media and journalists just talk about week it is and don't think about recovery, I don't get it. Maybe I am wrong or w/e/

 

[Escarabajo]

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Quintana cannot train in Colombia anymore. Not because of the altitude but because of the crowds. He became a celebrity there. When I was there he was lucky if he could ride his bike without disturbance. Not good. Time to adjust training.

He is wasting one of the best opportunities ever.

Now I was right. He was cooked in Arcalis. When he is good he attacks. Whether is on the last kilometer is another thing but what he did in Arcalis is a proof that he was done.

After tomorrow the only thing that waits for him is a long 3rd week.

And those windy flat stages didn't help him.

He trains with police escort no ?

Is that good?

 

[Samamba]

Isn't he sick? I mean, a normal Quintana doesn't drop from guys like Meintjes right?

 

[capuldemetal]

he said the front wind killed his attacks.and it backfired .

 

[Midnite]

Don't think Quintana will be able to overcome this gap against a really strong Froome. He should lose even more time in the ITT tomorrow.

 

[El Pistolero]

So is it big 3 again? Froome, Contador and Nibali.

 

[sir fly]

It's 1 0 1, after all.

 

[Isaak-Gabriel]

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Quintana cannot train in Colombia anymore. Not because of the altitude but because of the crowds. He became a celebrity there. When I was there he was lucky if he could ride his bike without disturbance. Not good. Time to adjust training.

He is wasting one of the best opportunities ever.

Now I was right. He was cooked in Arcalis. When he is good he attacks. Whether is on the last kilometer is another thing but what he did in Arcalis is a proof that he was done.

After tomorrow the only thing that waits for him is a long 3rd week.

And those windy flat stages didn't help him.

He trains with police escort no ?

Is that good?

Yeah, for security, but if he leaves Colombia his level will be lower.

 

[portugal11]

How much he will loose tomorrow? 2 minutes?

 

[PremierAndrew]

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So is it big 3 again? Froome, Contador and Nibali.

Think it's just big 1 at this point.

 

[capuldemetal]

well..you might be surprised,on movistar twitter you have an interview with him.he sounded..confident?

 

[geargbest]

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So is it big 3 again? Froome, Contador and Nibali.

Think it's just big 1 at this point.

You might be new to cycling but im sure deep down you realize Froome has never beaten Contador on even conditions. Froome is lucky that Contador crashed if not it would be like the vuelta 14 all over again. Contador first, Froome second.
The history books speak for themself if your bright enought to go in depth of the actually results.

Btw Nairo what an dissepointment

 

[hfer07]

Something is going on with Quintanita.... & BTW he'd be glad to take back his statement about not liking the stage shortened the last 6k, because it would have been fatal had the motor incident never occurred. As a compatriot, I still cheer for him, but is apparent he's not going to win it this year barring an unforeseen crash by Froome of course....

 

[buchanan]

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So is it big 3 again? Froome, Contador and Nibali.

Think it's just big 1 at this point.

You might be new to cycling but im sure deep down you realize Froome has never beaten Contador on even conditions. Froome is lucky that Contador crashed if not it would be like the vuelta 14 all over again. Contador first, Froome second.
The history books speak for themself if your bright enought to go in depth of the actually results.

Btw Nairo what an dissepointment

Lol - so wrong. But thanks for the laugh.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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People got so caught up in this whole "survive week 1" and "week 3" that they just ignore the profiles of the stages.

I've said before but ... Rest Day -> Windy flat stage -> Windy flat stage -> Windy flat run up to 9.6km climb is a massively Froome favoured set of events. Just because it's not in week 1 though people think it's Quintanas day and it seems that the team and him also bought it which is a shame ...

However on the Arcalis stage it was Mountain stage -> Tough mountain stage -> Real tough mountain stage run up to Arcalis. Now that was Quintana favoured. Not as favoured though had it been in the 3rd week but still.

Everyone else including the media and journalists just talk about week it is and don't think about recovery, I don't get it. Maybe I am wrong or w/e/

Interesting points. For sure, flat, windy stages are massively in favour of Froome. The Ventoux run-in form 2013 was much better, long, and more hilly compared to those 2 dreadfull days for Quintana.

But after watching today, I doubt he had much in the tank in Arcalis. We will know if he can win after stage 17.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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So is it big 3 again? Froome, Contador and Nibali.

Think it's just big 1 at this point.

You might be new to cycling but im sure deep down you realize Froome has never beaten Contador on even conditions. Froome is lucky that Contador crashed if not it would be like the vuelta 14 all over again. Contador first, Froome second.
The history books speak for themself if your bright enought to go in depth of the actually results.

Btw Nairo what an dissepointment

Another blind AC-fanboy? You guys just keep popping up.

 

[El Pistolero]

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So is it big 3 again? Froome, Contador and Nibali.

Think it's just big 1 at this point.

You might be new to cycling but im sure deep down you realize Froome has never beaten Contador on even conditions. Froome is lucky that Contador crashed if not it would be like the vuelta 14 all over again. Contador first, Froome second.
The history books speak for themself if your bright enought to go in depth of the actually results.

Btw Nairo what an dissepointment

Another blind AC-fanboy? You guys just keep popping up.

Well, it's true, he never beat Contador in top shape on even conditions. 2013 was Contador's worst year since turning professional, in 2014 they both crashed out and in 2015 Contador had ridden the Giro already.

Facts are facts. I don't know what would've happened in 2014 had they not crashed out, but you don't know either. Another fact is that Froome couldn't drop Porte or Mollema today.