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Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

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luckyboy said:
Riders should just forget the Giro-Tour double. Quintana hasn't beaten Froome in July yet, never mind trying to win the Giro beforehand

The only way this is a good plan is if they truly believe that Quintana will be as good or better after riding a Giro as he would have been had he prepared purely for the Tour.

Which is basically based on Quintana being better off riding the Giro than training in Columbia.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
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Netserk said:
If he had pushed harder on Stelvio and used his teammates up front, he would probably have been the winner of this bike race.

This. That was his biggest mistake, he simply had to attack on Stelvio with 2 teammates up the road. He was just afraid because of Oropa stage, and that's where he could have won this Giro
Thats you guys assuming he could have distanced a very strong Dumoulin on Stelvio...
No, it's not.
Then explain to me what you mean

Well with Dumoulin in literally shitty condition, he would've gain much more time on that stage, more than enough for overall victory. Of course Quintana didn't know Dumoulin's condition, but that don't justify him for the lack of trying on the hardest stage of this years Giro and the one that suits him the most and his opponent Dumoulin the least. And on top of that with perfect strategy executed, with 2 riders in front, he just had to try.
 
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Mr.White said:
Valv.Piti said:
Netserk said:
Valv.Piti said:
Mr.White said:
This. That was his biggest mistake, he simply had to attack on Stelvio with 2 teammates up the road. He was just afraid because of Oropa stage, and that's where he could have won this Giro
Thats you guys assuming he could have distanced a very strong Dumoulin on Stelvio...
No, it's not.
Then explain to me what you mean

Well with Dumoulin in literally ****** condition, he would've gain much more time on that stage, more than enough for overall victory. Of course Quintana didn't know Dumoulin's condition, but that don't justify him for the lack of trying on the hardest stage of this years Giro and the one that suits him the most and his opponent Dumoulin the least. And on top of that with perfect strategy executed, with 2 riders in front, he just had to try.

Quintana tried hard on Blockhaus and even harder on Oropa where he exploded. Can't do much more than that.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Interesting that Quintana lose a lot more time on hilly parcours to Dumoulin compared to the pan-flat ones.

Very good time trial, but had too little time to give obviously, but still a 2nd overall and a win on Blockhaus. Thats not too bad.

It would have been a very good Giro for pretty much everyone not named Quintana or Froome.

But he is Quintana, and the belief is very much that he should have been able to win this if he were at his best.
 
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Ramira said:
Valv.Piti said:
Interesting that Quintana lose a lot more time on hilly parcours to Dumoulin compared to the pan-flat ones.

Very good time trial, but had too little time to give obviously, but still a 2nd overall and a win on Blockhaus. Thats not too bad.

It would have been a very good Giro for pretty much everyone not named Quintana or Froome.

But he is Quintana, and the belief is very much that he should have been able to win this if he were at his best.
Considering the consensus, at least in here, that he would lose the podium, its good. You could see he was happy when he made it in the end as a win pretty much relied on Dumoulin messing it up. He rode brilliantly today given how tired he has been.

Its one thing to finish 3rd on the podium without animating the race, like last year, compared to being the biggest animator over the 3 weeks of the race, winning a stage (on Blockhaus, lets not forget) and finishing 2nd.
 
The double attempt can only be evalued after the Tour. In isolation this Giro can be considered a failure for him, but if backed up by another one in July after giving the winner a run for his money would change the outlook considerably. I hope he is able to do that, just so he would not be completely discouraged from trying the double again in the future.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Interesting that Quintana lose a lot more time on hilly parcours to Dumoulin compared to the pan-flat ones.

Very good time trial, but had too little time to give obviously, but still a 2nd overall and a win on Blockhaus. Thats not too bad.

A lot of the difference is probably explained by the lack of wind in this TT. Rolling hills and headwind together will always be a big disadvantage if you're not a powerhouse.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Ramira said:
Valv.Piti said:
Interesting that Quintana lose a lot more time on hilly parcours to Dumoulin compared to the pan-flat ones.

Very good time trial, but had too little time to give obviously, but still a 2nd overall and a win on Blockhaus. Thats not too bad.

It would have been a very good Giro for pretty much everyone not named Quintana or Froome.

But he is Quintana, and the belief is very much that he should have been able to win this if he were at his best.
Considering the consensus, at least in here, that he would lose the podium, its good. You could see he was happy when he made it in the end as a win pretty much relied on Dumoulin messing it up. He rode brilliantly today given how tired he has been.

Its one thing to finish 3rd on the podium without animating the race, like last year, compared to being the biggest animator over the 3 weeks of the race, winning a stage (on Blockhaus, lets not forget) and finishing 2nd.

He will be regretting the first TT performance.
 
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Red Rick said:
Besides commercial and public interest, what are good reasons for Quintana to not go rest up and peak for the Vuelta and have Valverde be the sole leader for the Tour?

Valverde won't win the Tour and Quintana might.

Froome is the favorite but imagine Froome dropping out or not being in peak form and Quintana not being there to capitalize. Besides, Quintana and Movistar think the current route is an optimal preparation for the Tour, not for the Vuelta.
 
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Red Rick said:
Besides commercial and public interest, what are good reasons for Quintana to not go rest up and peak for the Vuelta and have Valverde be the sole leader for the Tour?

I'm thinking the belief after last year that Quintana will be better in this tour than he was in 2016 precisely because he rode the Giro. If that belief turns out to be incorrect in the training working up to the Tour he should skip it.
 
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Red Rick said:
Besides commercial and public interest, what are good reasons for Quintana to not go rest up and peak for the Vuelta and have Valverde be the sole leader for the Tour?

Quintana is arrogant enough to think he could under-prepare and soft pedal to win the Giro, now he didn't win it, and going to the Tour he's going to get smoked by Froome, so if he's smart enough he would opt out of the Tour. Losing the Giro to a former pure time trialist should be a humbling experience for him.
 
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TheEnoculator said:
Red Rick said:
Besides commercial and public interest, what are good reasons for Quintana to not go rest up and peak for the Vuelta and have Valverde be the sole leader for the Tour?

Quintana is arrogant enough to think he could under-prepare and soft pedal to win the Giro, now he didn't win it, and going to the Tour he's going to get smoked by Froome, so if he's smart enough he would opt out of the Tour. Losing the Giro to a former pure time trialist should be a humbling experience for him.
Why? He's been losing the Tour to a former pure gruppetto rider for the past 4 years after all.
 
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luckyboy said:
@EuroHoody
Quintana revealed that he woke up with slight fever on day of Piancavallo, said it was a missed chance to take even more time on Dumoulin
Not buying it. He just wasn't good enough all Giro except for Blockhaus. Even-so, his Blockhaus effort wasn't that special after all. Good, in form Nairo would've smoked everyone to Bormio. That was supposed to be his stage.
 
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Imo the next available GT for Nairo will be the 2018 veulta. I've got a strong suspicion the 2018 tdf will be stacked (well more than usual) with TT's. Though I am interested to see how he recovers for this tdf, I think it will be tough.
 
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DNP-Old said:
luckyboy said:
@EuroHoody
Quintana revealed that he woke up with slight fever on day of Piancavallo, said it was a missed chance to take even more time on Dumoulin
Not buying it. He just wasn't good enough all Giro except for Blockhaus. Even-so, his Blockhaus effort wasn't that special after all. Good, in form Nairo would've smoked everyone to Bormio. That was supposed to be his stage.
Yeah me neither. Was close to winning the Giro at 95%, but unfortunately wasn't enough. His crash might have changed that, we simply don't know.
 

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