Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[phil-i-am]

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Imo the next available GT for Nairo will be the 2018 veulta. I've got a strong suspicion the 2018 tdf will be stacked (well more than usual) with TT's. Though I am interested to see how he recovers for this tdf, I think it will be tough.

Doubt it. Bardet and Pinot are not time-trialists aftefall. Had Dumoulin been French, then we would have seen +100km TT's every year from now.

 

[DFA123]

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@EuroHoody
Quintana revealed that he woke up with slight fever on day of Piancavallo, said it was a missed chance to take even more time on Dumoulin

That's pretty poor form. Even if it's true - which it may well be - it's a it classless to make excuses like that after the race. It's the kind of thing that Contador does and I think is the sign of a bit of a sore loser.

We could all see he wasn't at his best, he doesn't need to justify it himself.

 

[deValtos]

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Imo the next available GT for Nairo will be the 2018 veulta. I've got a strong suspicion the 2018 tdf will be stacked (well more than usual) with TT's. Though I am interested to see how he recovers for this tdf, I think it will be tough.

Doubt it. Bardet and Pinot are not time-trialists aftefall. Had Dumoulin been French, then we would have seen +100km TT's every year from now.

It's perfect timing for ASO since Bardet will do the Giro in 2018 (or so I have heard) and Dumo will do the tour (I assume.) They can then revert back to their rubbish tt length in 2019.

 

[masking_agent]

I think Nairo has been humbled now and won't ever open his mouth about the double again. I think his form is not what it was approximately two years ago. I have a pretty good idea why. EDITED BY MOD But as long as there are a return to flat TT's and not mountain TT's, he'll never win a GT again.

 

[meat puppet]

Quintana may or may not have been sick. Maybe he was. To me he faded more than i expected.

But this only adds to the main conclusion: on balance, he was not good enough to win this Giro.

 

[DFA123]

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I think Nairo has been humbled now and won't ever open his mouth about the double again. I think his form is not what it was approximately two years ago. I have a pretty good idea why. I think he needs a better program by his doctor when training in colombia. But as long as there are a return to flat TT's and not mountain TT's, he'll never win a GT again.

That's just nonsense though, isn't it? There were 70km of flat TTs in this race and he finished 2nd; just 30 seconds away from winning it. Despite clearly being below his best in the last week. He also comfortably won the Vuelta last year, which had 40km of flat TT and no mountain TT.

 

[masking_agent]

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I think Nairo has been humbled now and won't ever open his mouth about the double again. I think his form is not what it was approximately two years ago. I have a pretty good idea why. I think he needs a better program by his doctor when training in colombia. But as long as there are a return to flat TT's and not mountain TT's, he'll never win a GT again.

That's just nonsense though, isn't it? There were 70km of flat TTs in this race and he finished 2nd; just 30 seconds away from winning it. Despite clearly being below his best in the last week. He also comfortably won the Vuelta last year, which had 40km of flat TT and no mountain TT.

okay, let's see the upcoming GT's in the years to come and see how he does..

 

[silvergrenade]

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I think Nairo has been humbled now and won't ever open his mouth about the double again. I think his form is not what it was approximately two years ago. I have a pretty good idea why. I think he needs a better program by his doctor when training in colombia. But as long as there are a return to flat TT's and not mountain TT's, he'll never win a GT again.

That's just nonsense though, isn't it? There were 70km of flat TTs in this race and he finished 2nd; just 30 seconds away from winning it. Despite clearly being below his best in the last week. He also comfortably won the Vuelta last year, which had 40km of flat TT and no mountain TT.

30 secs on paper; Without the poop gate its a hell lot more.

Comfortably? :surprised: :surprised:
What Vuelta did you see?

 

[Arnout]

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@EuroHoody
Quintana revealed that he woke up with slight fever on day of Piancavallo, said it was a missed chance to take even more time on Dumoulin

That's pretty poor form. Even if it's true - which it may well be - it's a it classless to make excuses like that after the race. It's the kind of thing that Contador does and I think is the sign of a bit of a sore loser.

We could all see he wasn't at his best, he doesn't need to justify it himself.

Stating the facts (just like Dumoulin did after the Stelvio stage, by the way) is poor form? That's worrying in this fake news era.

The world should stop making words more important than facts. Zooming out to the world at large, it triggers an ascent of right-wing extremism partly in reaction to what is perceived as political correctness: facts not stated or overstated. In the cycling cosmos it means Quintana can't say he wasn't feeling at his best but then gets blamed for not attacking all day long.

 

[Scarponi]

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I think Nairo has been humbled now and won't ever open his mouth about the double again. I think his form is not what it was approximately two years ago. I have a pretty good idea why. I think he needs a better program by his doctor when training in colombia. But as long as there are a return to flat TT's and not mountain TT's, he'll never win a GT again.

That's just nonsense though, isn't it? There were 70km of flat TTs in this race and he finished 2nd; just 30 seconds away from winning it. Despite clearly being below his best in the last week. He also comfortably won the Vuelta last year, which had 40km of flat TT and no mountain TT.

30 secs on paper; Without the poop gate its a hell lot more.

Comfortably? :surprised: :surprised:
What Vuelta did you see?

He won't double again though, he destroys tom in oral climbing form

 

[DNP-Old]

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I think Nairo has been humbled now and won't ever open his mouth about the double again. I think his form is not what it was approximately two years ago. I have a pretty good idea why. I think he needs a better program by his doctor when training in colombia. But as long as there are a return to flat TT's and not mountain TT's, he'll never win a GT again.

That's just nonsense though, isn't it? There were 70km of flat TTs in this race and he finished 2nd; just 30 seconds away from winning it. Despite clearly being below his best in the last week. He also comfortably won the Vuelta last year, which had 40km of flat TT and no mountain TT.

30 secs on paper; Without the poop gate its a hell lot more.

Comfortably? :surprised: :surprised:
What Vuelta did you see?

Be real, if Nairo had to, he would have put more time on Froome on Aitana. He wasn't going to be denied there. He also had a 1:23 cushion.

 

[DFA123]

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@EuroHoody
Quintana revealed that he woke up with slight fever on day of Piancavallo, said it was a missed chance to take even more time on Dumoulin

That's pretty poor form. Even if it's true - which it may well be - it's a it classless to make excuses like that after the race. It's the kind of thing that Contador does and I think is the sign of a bit of a sore loser.

We could all see he wasn't at his best, he doesn't need to justify it himself.

Stating the facts (just like Dumoulin did after the Stelvio stage, by the way) is poor form? That's worrying in this fake news era.

The world should stop making words more important than facts. Zooming out to the world at large, it triggers an ascent of right-wing extremism partly in reaction to what is perceived as political correctness: facts not stated or overstated. In the cycling cosmos it means Quintana can't say he wasn't feeling at his best but then gets blamed for not attacking all day long.

Your post is all over the place - and you've missed the point. All I'm saying is the time and place to make excuses (valid or not) for not winning are not immediately after the finish. Because it's taking the gloss of the winner - implying that you were stronger and should be the real winner if it wasn't for misfortune. It's just a bit classless. Say it a few weeks later if you really have to. Or, better yet, just stay quiet and swallow your pride a bit.

 

[silvergrenade]

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I think Nairo has been humbled now and won't ever open his mouth about the double again. I think his form is not what it was approximately two years ago. I have a pretty good idea why. I think he needs a better program by his doctor when training in colombia. But as long as there are a return to flat TT's and not mountain TT's, he'll never win a GT again.

That's just nonsense though, isn't it? There were 70km of flat TTs in this race and he finished 2nd; just 30 seconds away from winning it. Despite clearly being below his best in the last week. He also comfortably won the Vuelta last year, which had 40km of flat TT and no mountain TT.

30 secs on paper; Without the poop gate its a hell lot more.

Comfortably? :surprised: :surprised:
What Vuelta did you see?

Be real, if Nairo had to, he would have put more time on Froome on Aitana. He wasn't going to be denied there. He also had a 1:23 cushion.

Are you kidding me? Before the Formigal Stage, Froome was in Prime Position.
On Aitna, it was such a gentle climb that nobody would've been able to break free. You think Quintanas kick to the finish showed he could take time on that climb. :lol: :lol:

Anyway, the point was if it was a comfortable victory. It wasn't. Froome 2013, 2016 Tour wins were comfortable. Thats what comfortable means

 

[DNP-Old]

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I think Nairo has been humbled now and won't ever open his mouth about the double again. I think his form is not what it was approximately two years ago. I have a pretty good idea why. I think he needs a better program by his doctor when training in colombia. But as long as there are a return to flat TT's and not mountain TT's, he'll never win a GT again.

That's just nonsense though, isn't it? There were 70km of flat TTs in this race and he finished 2nd; just 30 seconds away from winning it. Despite clearly being below his best in the last week. He also comfortably won the Vuelta last year, which had 40km of flat TT and no mountain TT.

30 secs on paper; Without the poop gate its a hell lot more.

Comfortably? :surprised: :surprised:
What Vuelta did you see?

Be real, if Nairo had to, he would have put more time on Froome on Aitana. He wasn't going to be denied there. He also had a 1:23 cushion.

Are you kidding me? Before the Formigal Stage, Froome was in Prime Position.
On Aitna, it was such a gentle climb that nobody would've been able to break free. You think Quintanas kick to the finish showed he could take time on that climb. :lol: :lol:

Anyway, the point was if it was a comfortable victory. It wasn't. Froome 2013, 2016 Tour wins were comfortable. Thats what comfortable means

No, his form throughout did.

 

[dacooley]

the excuse of losing because of being supposedly below par continue to deliver. quintana couldn't win the 2017 giro because of being below par. froome couldn't win the 2016 vuelta because of being below par. seemingly any big gun or #1 favorite loses a grand tour mainly because of not being in top shape. who the hell should normally win three week races if the excuses always raise up?

 

[DFA123]

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I think Nairo has been humbled now and won't ever open his mouth about the double again. I think his form is not what it was approximately two years ago. I have a pretty good idea why. I think he needs a better program by his doctor when training in colombia. But as long as there are a return to flat TT's and not mountain TT's, he'll never win a GT again.

That's just nonsense though, isn't it? There were 70km of flat TTs in this race and he finished 2nd; just 30 seconds away from winning it. Despite clearly being below his best in the last week. He also comfortably won the Vuelta last year, which had 40km of flat TT and no mountain TT.

30 secs on paper; Without the poop gate its a hell lot more.

Comfortably? :surprised: :surprised:
What Vuelta did you see?

Be real, if Nairo had to, he would have put more time on Froome on Aitana. He wasn't going to be denied there. He also had a 1:23 cushion.

Are you kidding me? Before the Formigal Stage, Froome was in Prime Position.
On Aitna, it was such a gentle climb that nobody would've been able to break free. You think Quintanas kick to the finish showed he could take time on that climb. :lol: :lol:

Anyway, the point was if it was a comfortable victory. It wasn't. Froome 2013, 2016 Tour wins were comfortable. Thats what comfortable means

Why do people make things up like this? The last 10km are an average of 7.2% with several pitches of 12%-13%?

And it was clearly comfortable. He had the race won by the end of the second week.

 

[SeriousSam]

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the excuse of losing because of being supposedly below par continue to deliver. quintana couldn't win the 2017 giro because of being below par. froome couldn't win the 2016 vuelta because of being below par. seemingly any big gun or #1 favorite loses a grand tour mainly because of not being in top shape. who the hell should normally win three week races if the excuses always raise up?

It's a coping mechanism. Athletes near or at the top always want to attribute defeat to circumstances, not to being inferior.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Grand Tours since 2013:
2, 1, DNF (crashed in leaders jersey), 2, 4, 3, 1, 2

 

[TheEnoculator]

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I think Nairo has been humbled now and won't ever open his mouth about the double again. I think his form is not what it was approximately two years ago. I have a pretty good idea why. I think he needs a better program by his doctor when training in colombia. But as long as there are a return to flat TT's and not mountain TT's, he'll never win a GT again.

That's just nonsense though, isn't it? There were 70km of flat TTs in this race and he finished 2nd; just 30 seconds away from winning it. Despite clearly being below his best in the last week. He also comfortably won the Vuelta last year, which had 40km of flat TT and no mountain TT.

If Dumo didn't have to take a dump, Quintana would have lost by 3 minutes in this Giro.

 

[Nacho]

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I think Nairo has been humbled now and won't ever open his mouth about the double again. I think his form is not what it was approximately two years ago. I have a pretty good idea why. I think he needs a better program by his doctor when training in colombia. But as long as there are a return to flat TT's and not mountain TT's, he'll never win a GT again.

That's just nonsense though, isn't it? There were 70km of flat TTs in this race and he finished 2nd; just 30 seconds away from winning it. Despite clearly being below his best in the last week. He also comfortably won the Vuelta last year, which had 40km of flat TT and no mountain TT.

If Dumo didn't have to take a dump, Quintana would have lost by 3 minutes in this Giro.

LOL! That goes to show you that Dumoulin actually had a "not feeling good excuse" that he didn't have to pull out of his a$$ like Quintana did! :lol:

 

[Rollthedice]

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I think Nairo has been humbled now and won't ever open his mouth about the double again. I think his form is not what it was approximately two years ago. I have a pretty good idea why. I think he needs a better program by his doctor when training in colombia. But as long as there are a return to flat TT's and not mountain TT's, he'll never win a GT again.

That's just nonsense though, isn't it? There were 70km of flat TTs in this race and he finished 2nd; just 30 seconds away from winning it. Despite clearly being below his best in the last week. He also comfortably won the Vuelta last year, which had 40km of flat TT and no mountain TT.

If Dumo didn't have to take a dump, Quintana would have lost by 3 minutes in this Giro.

But he did take it. There are dozens of ifs regarding this Giro, they matter only in our imagination. People tend to forget that Nairo and Nibs suddenly were up against some new kind of Froome here, a guy who won Oropa just 30 sec slower than freakin Pantani, who in the queen stage after poopgate climbed alone better than Pinot, Yates and a few others and who smashed 70k of TTs. Why does he have to win every GT he enters? Sure he's not overly spectacular in his riding but is one of the very few riders actually capable of winning a Grand Tour in these few past years and those that will come.

 

[portugal11]

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Grand Tours since 2013:
2, 1, DNF (crashed in leaders jersey), 2, 4, 3, 1, 2

Please don't disturb the facts. He didn't dnf with the leader jersey and even if he didn't crash in the time trial, he still would have lost 1.30 minutes to contador

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Grand Tours since 2013:
2, 1, DNF (crashed in leaders jersey), 2, 4, 3, 1, 2

Please don't disturb the facts. He didn't dnf with the leader jersey and even if he didn't crash in the time trial, he still would have lost 1.30 minutes to contador

Well, technically he did crash in the leader's jersey

 

[portugal11]

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Grand Tours since 2013:
2, 1, DNF (crashed in leaders jersey), 2, 4, 3, 1, 2

Please don't disturb the facts. He didn't dnf with the leader jersey and even if he didn't crash in the time trial, he still would have lost 1.30 minutes to contador

Well, technically he did crash in the leader's jersey

But he didn't dnf

 

[lenric]

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Grand Tours since 2013:
2, 1, DNF (crashed in leaders jersey), 2, 4, 3, 1, 2

Please don't disturb the facts. He didn't dnf with the leader jersey and even if he didn't crash in the time trial, he still would have lost 1.30 minutes to contador

Things that did not happen aren't facts, only speculation.