Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[SeriousSam]

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post-giro nairo comfortably beating fresh and fit porte, froome and bertie might explode the forums imo.

Richie has been pretty good at the first __/ stage of a Tour even before the Porte Era-

 

[Scarponi]

Under the radar. Very interested in this double form

 

[MovistarRider]

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I've got no hope for Quintana at Planche. If he get's beaten on Oropa by not only Dumoulin, but also Zakarin and Landa, he has no hope against Froome and Porte

Oropa is not really a good benchmark for him this year. His form's progression throughout the Giro was so strange, I really don't think we can use any of it to judge how he'll do the rest of the year. It will become somewhat clearer after the Tour, though not completely.

I think he will lose a little bit of time to Froome in La Planche, but I wouldn't be surprised by any other outcome.

Yeah, he will probably lose some time tommorow. And then winning this GT will become even alot harder.

This whole route is not one that favours Nairo either. There are like only 3 or 4 stages what you would call hard mountain stages who don't follow each other up. To drop Froome Nairo his best chance would be at a multiple-mountain stage the day after a also hard multiple-mountain stage. But they aren't on this route really. I reckon his best option to do something is sunday if he doesn't want to leave it late. After that the only options left are at Col du Galibier, Col d’ Izoard or Col de Peyresourde.

 

[Valv.Piti]

You are forgetting the EXPLOSIVE stage to Foix, the ASO masterminds have come up with something revolutionary that ensures great and exciting racing from the gun by making the stage 100 km long

Nah, jk.

 

[rick james]

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Under the radar. Very interested in this double form

what double? he can't do the double. all he is going is cycling the tour after the Giro

 

[MovistarRider]

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You are forgetting the EXPLOSIVE stage to Foix, the ASO masterminds have come up with something revolutionary that ensures great and exciting racing from the gun by making the stage 100 km long

Nah, jk.

Haha! Waste of time that stage.

So, what do you reckon? How do you see the stage tomorrow from Movistar & Nairo's point of view? And what, which, where and when is the best opportunity for Nairo to cause some havoc (If he has the legs to do it)?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Well I hope he can do very well obviously but I don't have huge expectations at all. That way you really cant be disappointed.. top-3 would be great, I definitely think he can manage that.

 

[MovistarRider]

I share the exact same mentality as you. Anyway, he will win the Tour from next year onwards. No more Giro-Tour double attempt, the right age and learned from the mistakes made in 2015. I'm not sure whats gonna happen at this years TDF, but next years is 100% Nairo's. Unless the French decide to add 80 KM of ITT in the route. :lol:

 

[SeriousSam]

If Froome were to weaken ASO should look at including at least 100km of flat time trialling every Tour for balance. Quinta has to earn that Tour win, not win by default if superior riders age.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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If Froome were to weaken ASO should look at including at least 100km of flat time trialling every Tour for balance. Quinta has to earn that Tour win, not win by default if superior riders age.

Well, I actually do agree. It would be great for once. And its not like he would lose much time to anyone else bar Dumoulin. But thats assuming Froome will weaken next year.....

 

[MovistarRider]

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If Froome were to weaken ASO should look at including at least 100km of flat time trialling every Tour for balance. Quinta has to earn that Tour win, not win by default if superior riders age.

100km of flat TT every Tour is way too much. Basically, you're saying that ASO should give Tom Dumoulin (And Froome to a lesser degree) a head start of around 6 or 7 minutes just because Nairo has to earn that Tour win. How and in which world is that potential Tour win earned by someone like Dumoulin then? Or are you fine with the ASO also including, next to the 100km TT, 10 stages of multiple-mountain stages so that someone like Dumoulin has to earn his Tour win?

Some weird logic going on

 

[Jelantik]

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post-giro nairo comfortably beating fresh and fit porte, froome and bertie might explode the forums imo.

as much as I like to see the hysteria..., I just don't see it's happening. Giro legs, no matter what, it will take some edge of Quintana. He might be able to distance Martin, Bardet, Aru, Contador this week, but week 3... that will be interesting to see.

 

[saneguy]

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post-giro nairo comfortably beating fresh and fit porte, froome and bertie might explode the forums imo.

as much as I like to see the hysteria..., I just don't see it's happening. Giro legs, no matter what, it will take some edge of Quintana. He might be able to distance Martin, Bardet, Aru, Contador this week, but week 3... that will be interesting to see.

I agree. The 3rd week will be very interesting. In fact in Giro he didnt really climb as well in the 3rd week. And if Dumoulin didnt have the "Dumpgate" incident the Giro wouldnt really have been this close either.

 

[saneguy]

Quintana's tour is over. So much for the Giro-Tour double.

 

[Eclipse]

Experiment confirmed a failure even if he did limit his losses reasonably

back to the drawing board for next season

 

[perico]

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Quintana's tour is over. So much for the Giro-Tour double.

That was over at the Giro, in case you missed it. You gotta win the Giro to do the double. Looked like Contador in 2015. Fatigue catches up when teams like BMC and Sky ride like diesels.

 

[Jspear]

Bummer. Was hoping he could topple Froome.

Now my hope has to be in Porte. :/

 

[Matteo.]

I'm not so sure he's done. Too soon to make clear judgments, keep calm boys

 

[saneguy]

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Quintana's tour is over. So much for the Giro-Tour double.

That was over at the Giro, in case you missed it. You gotta win the Giro to do the double. Looked like Contador in 2015. Fatigue catches up when teams like BMC and Sky ride like diesels.

At least now he knows that he is only meant for 1 GT - Either Giro or TDF and maybe Vuelta. If Froome wins the TDF this year then Nairo will be better doing Giro and Vuelta in 2018.

I mean if I was Nairo I'd be quite demotivated seeing Froome win all the time. Mind numbing.

 

[saneguy]

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I'm not so sure he's done. Too soon to make clear judgments, keep calm boys

I so so so want to believe you but alas! Reality bites. Nairo is cooked.

 

[Moviestar]

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I'm not so sure he's done. Too soon to make clear judgments, keep calm boys

I so so so want to believe you but alas! Reality bites. Nairo is cooked.

How is losing just 14 sec on Froome and Porte cooked? It's too early to draw conclusions yet..

 

[DFA123]

Disappointing but kind of expected performance. I get the feeling Valverde was really the leader here - so many statements before from both parties about how Quintana was flying and Valverde was completely subservient sounded a bit suspicious, like they were protesting a bit too much. Also could be partly why he went so hard in the TT. Still, Quintana's form curve in GTs often seems at odds with that of most riders, so he could still improve in the third week and finish on the podium - especially with Porte and Martin likely to have a really bad day at some point.

 

[DFA123]

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I'm not so sure he's done. Too soon to make clear judgments, keep calm boys

I so so so want to believe you but alas! Reality bites. Nairo is cooked.

How is losing just 14 sec on Froome and Porte cooked? It's too early to draw conclusions yet..

Because Quintana at his best would have easily stayed with those two the way they rode here, especially given that they were messing about for ages. He even had to get towed back to them by Contador at one point.

It might not be that he's cooked so to speak, he might be under-cooked. But either way, and even if he improves a bit, he looks too far away from top form to be close to challenging for the win.

 

[Red Rick]

With only 20km of TT'ing there's still the possibility of hell freezing over, but this looked bad.

 

[carton]

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I'm not so sure he's done. Too soon to make clear judgments, keep calm boys

Hi. Welcome to the forum. You're clearly unfamiliar with the lay of the land here, but that's not how we do business.

I tend to agree with you, but on this parcours this is a bit of a hit. Also, IMHO his performance today means he's likely not going to be in shape to try something until Peyresourde and that's if he can manage to hold on at Mont du Chat. So a moonshot on Foix starts being less of a plan D and more something that must be considered.