Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[ILovecycling]

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Can you share a link?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/nairo-quintana-on-equal-gender-rights-and-winning-the-tour-de-france

I'm surprised that Ryo hasn't renounced Quintana now that it has emerged that Quintana is a gender equality activist.

LMAO

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Can you share a link?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/nairo-quintana-on-equal-gender-rights-and-winning-the-tour-de-france

I'm surprised that Ryo hasn't renounced Quintana now that it has emerged that Quintana is a gender equality activist.

haha lol. I'm not against woman at all or treating them less than a man, just womans sports is ridiculous and should be regarded as nothing more than a hobby.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Re:

Can you share a link?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/nairo-quintana-on-equal-gender-rights-and-winning-the-tour-de-france

I'm surprised that Ryo hasn't renounced Quintana now that it has emerged that Quintana is a gender equality activist.

haha lol. I'm not against woman at all or treating them less than a man, just womans sports is ridiculous and should be regarded as nothing more than a hobby.

I love your sense of humor

 

[Brullnux]

Re: Re:

Can you share a link?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/nairo-quintana-on-equal-gender-rights-and-winning-the-tour-de-france

I'm surprised that Ryo hasn't renounced Quintana now that it has emerged that Quintana is a gender equality activist.

haha lol. I'm not against woman at all or treating them less than a man, just womans sports is ridiculous and should be regarded as nothing more than a hobby.

Logic

 

[ILovecycling]

Re: Re:

Can you share a link?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/nairo-quintana-on-equal-gender-rights-and-winning-the-tour-de-france

I'm surprised that Ryo hasn't renounced Quintana now that it has emerged that Quintana is a gender equality activist.

haha lol. I'm not against woman at all or treating them less than a man, just womans sports is ridiculous and should be regarded as nothing more than a hobby.

Logic

please, not in this thread guys...in addition to that Ryo made himself clear about that point many times.

 

[Ataraxus]

He was not as dominant in Dauphine as in 2013. Plus, who was peaking for Dauphine this year that could challenge him?

Don't fool yourself. He will be at his best in 3rd week, same as other contenders. Just has a really good base and he is riding perfectly when it comes to tactics

I really don't understand your point in this sentence

Whatever, I try to explain it to you differently. The only other Big 4 rider, who rode the dauphine was nibali. Nibali was miles worse than froome, now do you really expect froome will still be that much better than vincenzo in the tdf? If yes then okay, froome is peaking for 3rd week but if no that means froome might loose advantage on nibali as long as the race goes --> he isn't peaking the 3rd week or at least not as good as nibali does. Moreover I think everyone forgets that in 2013 froome actually got most of his advantage out of the ITT. On the mtf's he hardly gained time or at least not much more than this year.

First Bold: Nobody expect Froome to be that much better. That's no valid point of argument.
Second Bold: Logically flawed. Froome peaking for third week doesn't necessarily mean he'll keep the advantage of the Dauphine on Nibali. And Nibali might and will minimize the advantage Froome had in the Dauphine (going from 1 to 2 is a 100% performance increase but going from 9 to 10 is only 11%) but might never nullify it. Losing advantage doesn't necessarily mean Nibali dropping Froome in the mountains.

I think Froome will cope with third week better than he did in 2013 because of two reasons: 1; Dauphine approach this year was different. His form kept improving and improving towards the end. In 2013 he was stellar pretty much all throughout the Dauphine. 2; He has less racing days this year.

 

[Red Rick]

I think Ryo actually has a tiny point. In women's sports, sex appeal usually gets more fame than actual skill, and hence pretty, mediocre athletes often make more money or get more attention than the very best.

You can't watch it for the level of play in absolute terms, cause you know there's a load of men gonna be better at it.

Other reason is entertainment value, and I have to say that for example I find the WTA a lot less entertaining than the ATP.

For the rest I fully disagree with Ryo though, as long as people wanna watch women's sports, women should be able to compete professionally

 

[cantpedal]

He was not as dominant in Dauphine as in 2013. Plus, who was peaking for Dauphine this year that could challenge him?

Don't fool yourself. He will be at his best in 3rd week, same as other contenders. Just has a really good base and he is riding perfectly when it comes to tactics

I really don't understand your point in this sentence

Whatever, I try to explain it to you differently. The only other Big 4 rider, who rode the dauphine was nibali. Nibali was miles worse than froome, now do you really expect froome will still be that much better than vincenzo in the tdf? If yes then okay, froome is peaking for 3rd week but if no that means froome might loose advantage on nibali as long as the race goes --> he isn't peaking the 3rd week or at least not as good as nibali does. Moreover I think everyone forgets that in 2013 froome actually got most of his advantage out of the ITT. On the mtf's he hardly gained time or at least not much more than this year.

maybe because he had a big enough lead that he did not have to? the 2 mtf he clearly attacked on he managed to distance his rivals rather convincingly.

 

[ray j willings]

He was not as dominant in Dauphine as in 2013. Plus, who was peaking for Dauphine this year that could challenge him?

Don't fool yourself. He will be at his best in 3rd week, same as other contenders. Just has a really good base and he is riding perfectly when it comes to tactics

I really don't understand your point in this sentence

Whatever, I try to explain it to you differently. The only other Big 4 rider, who rode the dauphine was nibali. Nibali was miles worse than froome, now do you really expect froome will still be that much better than vincenzo in the tdf? If yes then okay, froome is peaking for 3rd week but if no that means froome might loose advantage on nibali as long as the race goes --> he isn't peaking the 3rd week or at least not as good as nibali does. Moreover I think everyone forgets that in 2013 froome actually got most of his advantage out of the ITT. On the mtf's he hardly gained time or at least not much more than this year.

maybe because he had a big enough lead that he did not have to? the 2 mtf he clearly attacked on he managed to distance his rivals rather convincingly.

Froome got dropped in 2013 as well, don't forget.

 

[rick james]

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funny how people here, quintana-haters, are spinning quintana's great cobble ride in something bad. if one thing quintana was very well placed, without help, and didn't waste nearly as much energy as froome did

Please tell us how Froome used more energy that Quintana


Really you are tuned to the moon

 

[ray j willings]

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funny how people here, quintana-haters, are spinning quintana's great cobble ride in something bad. if one thing quintana was very well placed, without help, and didn't waste nearly as much energy as froome did

Please tell us how Froome used more energy that Quintana


Really you are tuned to the moon

Froome definitely IMO used more energy. He was far more aggressive, He even attacked. He was always making sure he was near the very front and made quite a few aggressive moves. Quintana rode a much more steady, less panicky race IMO used less energy.

 

[rick james]

Quintana would have had to fight hard to stay upright on the bike when on the cobbles , this using up energy rubbish is getting used far to much

 

[ray j willings]

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Quintana would have had to fight hard to stay upright on the bike when on the cobbles , this using up energy rubbish is getting used far to much

Quintana is not made of paper. He rides just like the others , maybe his light weight makes it easier to glide over the cobbles like tiny horse on a E dancing at a fierce dusty rave
I agree that perhaps we are guilty of over analysing energy usage. Its just that we have 4 /5 real contenders and you can't help look at things in detail and come to conclusions.

 

[Vino's Mum]

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glide over the cobbles like tiny horse on a E dancing at a fierce dusty rave

lol, I'm sure we were all thinking exactly this.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Quintana would have had to fight hard to stay upright on the bike when on the cobbles , this using up energy rubbish is getting used far to much

Quintana is not made of paper. He rides just like the others , maybe his light weight makes it easier to glide over the cobbles like tiny horse on a E dancing at a fierce dusty rave
I agree that perhaps we are guilty of over analysing energy usage. Its just that we have 4 /5 real contenders and you can't help look at things in detail and come to conclusions.

I think so. That is very hard to tell from just watching them.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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funny how people here, quintana-haters, are spinning quintana's great cobble ride in something bad. if one thing quintana was very well placed, without help, and didn't waste nearly as much energy as froome did

Please tell us how Froome used more energy that Quintana


Really you are tuned to the moon

what? lol are you even watching with your eyes open? froome is wasting a ton more energy than quintana, froome is always in the wind, his whole style costs more energy. somehow he thinks he needs to be in 2nd place of the peloton almost all the time. the cobbles stage he threw his energy like a madman, while quintana is always in the belly of the group, wel sheltered never wasting an ounce of energy.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Quintana would have had to fight hard to stay upright on the bike when on the cobbles , this using up energy rubbish is getting used far to much

did you even watch the race? quintana was never in danger of crashing or anything. he's a MUCH better bike handler than froome and doesn't nearly waste as much energy on the cobbles, or in the wind for that matter.

 

[rick james]

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Quintana would have had to fight hard to stay upright on the bike when on the cobbles , this using up energy rubbish is getting used far to much

did you even watch the race? quintana was never in danger of crashing or anything. he's a MUCH better bike handler than froome and doesn't nearly waste as much energy on the cobbles, or in the wind for that matter.

does they guy even pedal??

 

[damian13ster]

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Quintana would have had to fight hard to stay upright on the bike when on the cobbles , this using up energy rubbish is getting used far to much

did you even watch the race? quintana was never in danger of crashing or anything. he's a MUCH better bike handler than froome and doesn't nearly waste as much energy on the cobbles, or in the wind for that matter.

You are a joke. Vuelta crash. Slight downhill, great weather, great pavement, alone on the road. Crashed..... Sud, couldn't follow Contador. And I know that this is not the race to take risks in but Contador didn't take any risks either and if you are good bike handler then following someones wheel is not hard.
Then this Tour de France. Nibali gets launched into Froome's bike with force strong enough to break a wheel and make it unrideable. Froome stays upright. Quintana shows up 5 seconds after the crash started and rides into the pile crashing himself......

 

[Angliru]

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Quintana would have had to fight hard to stay upright on the bike when on the cobbles , this using up energy rubbish is getting used far to much

did you even watch the race? quintana was never in danger of crashing or anything. he's a MUCH better bike handler than froome and doesn't nearly waste as much energy on the cobbles, or in the wind for that matter.

You are a joke. Vuelta crash. Slight downhill, great weather, great pavement, alone on the road. Crashed..... Sud, couldn't follow Contador. And I know that this is not the race to take risks in but Contador didn't take any risks either and if you are good bike handler then following someones wheel is not hard.
Then this Tour de France. Nibali gets launched into Froome's bike with force strong enough to break a wheel and make it unrideable. Froome stays upright. Quintana shows up 5 seconds after the crash started and rides into the pile crashing himself......

To be fair, his Vuelta crash had more to do with bad judgement (tightening his shoe just before curve on a mountain descent) than a lack of bike handling skills. I recall he won a stage in a major week long race (can't remember exacly which one) based on his descending skills.

 

[cantpedal]

Re: Re:

funny how people here, quintana-haters, are spinning quintana's great cobble ride in something bad. if one thing quintana was very well placed, without help, and didn't waste nearly as much energy as froome did

Please tell us how Froome used more energy that Quintana


Really you are tuned to the moon

what? lol are you even watching with your eyes open? froome is wasting a ton more energy than quintana, froome is always in the wind, his whole style costs more energy. somehow he thinks he needs to be in 2nd place of the peloton almost all the time. the cobbles stage he threw his energy like a madman, while quintana is always in the belly of the group, wel sheltered never wasting an ounce of energy.

relying on that theory he must of saved a lot more in the Zeeland stage. He should be killing it tomorrow. .... A NQ fan

 

[damian13ster]

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Quintana would have had to fight hard to stay upright on the bike when on the cobbles , this using up energy rubbish is getting used far to much

did you even watch the race? quintana was never in danger of crashing or anything. he's a MUCH better bike handler than froome and doesn't nearly waste as much energy on the cobbles, or in the wind for that matter.

You are a joke. Vuelta crash. Slight downhill, great weather, great pavement, alone on the road. Crashed..... Sud, couldn't follow Contador. And I know that this is not the race to take risks in but Contador didn't take any risks either and if you are good bike handler then following someones wheel is not hard.
Then this Tour de France. Nibali gets launched into Froome's bike with force strong enough to break a wheel and make it unrideable. Froome stays upright. Quintana shows up 5 seconds after the crash started and rides into the pile crashing himself......

To be fair, his Vuelta crash had more to do with bad judgement (tightening his shoe just before curve on a mountain descent) than a lack of bike handling skills. I recall he won a stage in a major week long race (can't remember exacly which one) based on his descending skills.

To be fair, judgement is one of the (if not the) most important skills when it comes to descending. Having a good line, judging the speed that you can take the corner in is what makes one a good descender.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Quintana would have had to fight hard to stay upright on the bike when on the cobbles , this using up energy rubbish is getting used far to much

did you even watch the race? quintana was never in danger of crashing or anything. he's a MUCH better bike handler than froome and doesn't nearly waste as much energy on the cobbles, or in the wind for that matter.

You are a joke. Vuelta crash. Slight downhill, great weather, great pavement, alone on the road. Crashed..... Sud, couldn't follow Contador. And I know that this is not the race to take risks in but Contador didn't take any risks either and if you are good bike handler then following someones wheel is not hard.
Then this Tour de France. Nibali gets launched into Froome's bike with force strong enough to break a wheel and make it unrideable. Froome stays upright. Quintana shows up 5 seconds after the crash started and rides into the pile crashing himself......

To be fair, his Vuelta crash had more to do with bad judgement (tightening his shoe just before curve on a mountain descent) than a lack of bike handling skills. I recall he won a stage in a major week long race (can't remember exacly which one) based on his descending skills.

Dauphine Libere 2012 on the dangerous Joux Plane.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Quintana would have had to fight hard to stay upright on the bike when on the cobbles , this using up energy rubbish is getting used far to much

did you even watch the race? quintana was never in danger of crashing or anything. he's a MUCH better bike handler than froome and doesn't nearly waste as much energy on the cobbles, or in the wind for that matter.

You are a joke. Vuelta crash. Slight downhill, great weather, great pavement, alone on the road. Crashed..... Sud, couldn't follow Contador. And I know that this is not the race to take risks in but Contador didn't take any risks either and if you are good bike handler then following someones wheel is not hard.
Then this Tour de France. Nibali gets launched into Froome's bike with force strong enough to break a wheel and make it unrideable. Froome stays upright. Quintana shows up 5 seconds after the crash started and rides into the pile crashing himself......

lol. by your ridiculous and hilarious logic ogrady must've been a terrible bike handler because he had tons of crashes like that

 

[Moviestar]

Do not know if it's posted already in this topic, but just watched a great documentary of Nairo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONLzDf0mjE8