Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[Flamin]

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He showed no trouble whatsoever following Froome's accelerations. He looked mighty fine.

This is as subjective as it gets of course.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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He showed no trouble whatsoever following Froome's accelerations. He looked mighty fine.

This is as subjective as it gets of course.

Yeah, its very hard to assess how Nairo feels. Pretty much only himself who knows that. That said, his answer to Froome's accelerations looked very sharp. How much stock we can put into that, I don't know, he says he specifically has trained on following those.

 

[RattaKuningas]

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He showed no trouble whatsoever following Froome's accelerations. He looked mighty fine.

This is as subjective as it gets of course.

Yeah, its very hard to assess how Nairo feels. Pretty much only himself who knows that. That said, his answer to Froome's accelerations looked very sharp. How much stock we can put into that, I don't know, he says he specifically has trained on following those.

I hope that he didn't forget to train attacking as well when training to follow Froome.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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He showed no trouble whatsoever following Froome's accelerations. He looked mighty fine.

This is as subjective as it gets of course.

Yeah, its very hard to assess how Nairo feels. Pretty much only himself who knows that. That said, his answer to Froome's accelerations looked very sharp. How much stock we can put into that, I don't know, he says he specifically has trained on following those.

I hope that he didn't forget to train attacking as well when training to follow Froome.

He is rather conservative, Movistar as a team is conservative, but very good at gauging when and where to go all out instead of many, maybe lesser attacks.

You see, what I have a problem with are those have already have decided in advance that almost no matter what, its too late and he has wasted his opportunities because it fits the agenda that carried over from 2015. Thats not the case at all this time. It was in 2015, 10 kilometres up La Tou, but not now. We've only just begun and lets not forget Quintana has improved significantly against the clock.

 

[Mr.White]

He maybe should have attacked today, but I don't think he would gain much, if any... I would say this, if he drops Froome on Ventoux, this race is over!

 

[RattaKuningas]

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He showed no trouble whatsoever following Froome's accelerations. He looked mighty fine.

This is as subjective as it gets of course.

Yeah, its very hard to assess how Nairo feels. Pretty much only himself who knows that. That said, his answer to Froome's accelerations looked very sharp. How much stock we can put into that, I don't know, he says he specifically has trained on following those.

I hope that he didn't forget to train attacking as well when training to follow Froome.

He is rather conservative, Movistar as a team is conservative, but very good at gauging when and where to go all out instead of many, maybe lesser attacks.

You see, what I have a problem with are those have already have decided in advance that almost no matter what, its too late and he has wasted his opportunities because it fits the agenda that carried over from 2015. Thats not the case at all this time. It was in 2015, 10 kilometres up La Tou, but not now. We've only just begun and lets not forget Quintana has improved significantly against the clock.

Of course people who say that it is all over are silly because 23 seconds is nothing significant. But I really do hope that he doesn't leave it for last few stages. I would love to see him conquer Mont Ventoux (maybe a little revenge for 2013).

 

[SeriousSam]

I'm curious what those itching to attribute a potential Tour loss to a failure to attack today think he'd have gained (or lost) with an attack at Arcalis

Best case
Worst case
most likely case

 

[Kwibus]

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I'm curious what those itching to attribute a potential Tour loss to a failure to attack today think he'd have gained (or lost) with an attack at Arcalis

Best case
Worst case
most likely case

Take some time maybe? He could've given it a shot atleast.
If it didn't stick then it's done.

 

[DNP-Old]

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I'm curious what those itching to attribute a potential Tour loss to a failure to attack today think he'd have gained (or lost) with an attack at Arcalis

Best case
Worst case
most likely case

Take some time maybe? He could've given it a shot atleast.
If it didn't stick then it's done.

Andorra isn't a climb for the big gaps - unless your name is Jan Ullrich - , so essentially there was no point to go all-out today. Those 15 seconds he could have gained aren't going to win him le Tour. I for one am glad he saved his energy and his guns, since Froome tends to weaken after two weeks of racing. The past few years the race was done after the first MTF, this time it isn't, and it is definitely in Quintana's favor.

 

[DNP-Old]

Besides, who says Quintana wasn't on his limit himself? Jens_attacks posted this on his twitter; the climbing times on his(?) website. Compare them to (peak) Contador in 2009:
2016:10,0 km@7,0%---26:42---average speed 22.47 km/h(A.Yates-Froome-Quintana-Porte-D.Martin)
2009:10,0 km@7,0%---26:53---average speed 22.32 km/h(Alberto Contador)

 

[Pharazon]

all i know is that i seriously fear for quintana in the tt... not sure he'll have any idea where to go without a wheel to follow

 

[Richeypen]

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all i know is that i seriously fear for quintana in the tt... not sure he'll have any idea where to go without a wheel to follow

Maybe he just doesnt have a great sense of direction. Wouldnt want to get lost on a mountain in those conditions today!

 

[Brullnux]

We knew Quintana was a conservative rider. Admittedly, I'd thought he'd at least try a small attacks to test Froome and his legs, but hey. Maybe in the Alps he'll go mental. I doubt it, but it's possible. It's a shame though to see him being conservative. I'd have been a fan otherwise.

 

[ILovecycling]

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Besides, who says Quintana wasn't on his limit himself? Jens_attacks posted this on his twitter; the climbing times on his(?) website. Compare them to (peak) Contador in 2009:
2016:10,0 km@7,0%---26:42---average speed 22.47 km/h(A.Yates-Froome-Quintana-Porte-D.Martin)
2009:10,0 km@7,0%---26:53---average speed 22.32 km/h(Alberto Contador)

Im not sure but I think there was a headwind that year, but still it shows how the competition is tough this year.

Good to see Im not the only one who believes #VentouxRevenge

 

[Põhja Konn]

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Besides, who says Quintana wasn't on his limit himself? Jens_attacks posted this on his twitter; the climbing times on his(?) website. Compare them to (peak) Contador in 2009:
2016:10,0 km@7,0%---26:42---average speed 22.47 km/h(A.Yates-Froome-Quintana-Porte-D.Martin)
2009:10,0 km@7,0%---26:53---average speed 22.32 km/h(Alberto Contador)

Im not sure but I think there was a headwind that year, but still it shows how the competition is tough this year.

Good to see Im not the only one who believes #VentouxRevenge

Don't remeber about the wind, but that it was relatively slow group ride until about the last km when Contador flew away from everyone.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Yup, not really comparable. Only the 2-3 last kilometres were full gas.

 

[Escarabajo]

And without rain!

 

[mr. tibbs]

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I'm curious what those itching to attribute a potential Tour loss to a failure to attack today think he'd have gained (or lost) with an attack at Arcalis

Best case
Worst case
most likely case

Take some time maybe? He could've given it a shot atleast.
If it didn't stick then it's done.

Andorra isn't a climb for the big gaps - unless your name is Jan Ullrich - , so essentially there was no point to go all-out today. Those 15 seconds he could have gained aren't going to win him le Tour. I for one am glad he saved his energy and his guns, since Froome tends to weaken after two weeks of racing. The past few years the race was done after the first MTF, this time it isn't, and it is definitely in Quintana's favor.

It only helps Quintana if he attacks. History (and the race so far) suggests he won't until the last chance, and Froome has shown that he's here to actually race, so I expect him to gain more time before then.

That's conjecture, sure, and Quintana might actually start attacking in the mountains, but I'll only believe it when I actually see it happen. The fact that Movistar had two men in the breakaway for what turned out to be no reason at all is telling. Rest day tomorrow. Why not take a risk? Oh, right, because it's more important to ride "smart" and get another podium spot than to risk the podium spot while trying to win the race.

Hell, Sky got so bored today that they attacked themselves.

 

[Poursuivant]

Froome won't get dropped on Ventoux.

 

[SeriousSam]

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I'm curious what those itching to attribute a potential Tour loss to a failure to attack today think he'd have gained (or lost) with an attack at Arcalis

Best case
Worst case
most likely case

Take some time maybe? He could've given it a shot atleast.
If it didn't stick then it's done.

Well when people make some noise that if Quintana loses the Tour, today is to blame, I can think of two reasons why they'd say that

1) It really is a dispassionate tactical assessment with considerable thought behind it
2) It's essentially throwing the toys out of the pram because Quintana didn't entertain

I'm trying to disentangle the two

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Well when people make some noise that if Quintana loses the Tour, today is to blame, I can think of two reasons why they'd say that

1) It really is a dispassionate tactical assessment with considerable thought behind it
2) It's essentially throwing the toys out of the pram because Quintana didn't entertain

I'm trying to disentangle the two

Of course it is all up in the air at the moment, we could well be set for the closest fought Tour in years. Say Quintana loses the Tour by 20 seconds or something similar, surely he will look back on today as a massive regret?

Im not saying he could have just simply rode away from Froome ect as they all seemed to be fairly close to their limits, but to not give it even a little dig is frustrating.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Well when people make some noise that if Quintana loses the Tour, today is to blame, I can think of two reasons why they'd say that

1) It really is a dispassionate tactical assessment with considerable thought behind it
2) It's essentially throwing the toys out of the pram because Quintana didn't entertain

I'm trying to disentangle the two

Of course it is all up in the air at the moment, we could well be set for the closest fought Tour in years. Say Quintana loses the Tour by 20 seconds or something similar, surely he will look back on today as a massive regret?

Im not saying he could have just simply rode away from Froome ect as they all seemed to be fairly close to their limits, but to not give it even a little dig is frustrating.

The more likely will be the day before. Or even more likely, 2 kms before on Ventoux, 2 kms before on Emosson, 3 kms before on Joux Plane... I mean, today was really nothing.

 

[Tonton]

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Froome won't get dropped on Ventoux.

This.

And this year, no crosswinds to blame for Quintana fans. He'll be exposed for what he is: un épicier as we French call the likes of him: smalltime, playing safe. What he needs is what Van Impe needed in '76: a DS who threatens to run him off the road if he doesn't attack. I'd love to root for him, but I can't.

I agree with Poursuivant that Froome won't lose time on the Ventoux. Au contraire. Dawg will develop a power output in excess of 2.21 giga-watts, hit 88 mph on the climb, get back to 1955, and like Louison Bobet win his third TdF. We have watched this movie before. Same script. And I foresee Nairo down three minutes attacking in the Mont Blanc stage, taking back a minute. Lame. A disgrace considering his talent.

Sorry Quintana fans if I'm tough here. Respectfully.

 

[hrotha]

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I mean, today was really nothing.

Today was nothing, yesterday was nothing too, but it adds up, and those missed opportunities won't come back.

 

[Valv.Piti]

A guy who has been on the record saying Contador was super unfairly treated and Majka and Kreuziger needed to throw whatever personal goals they might have had away once it was obvious that Contador was out of it when he crashed? The same guy saying Contador should never wear a Tinkoff jersey again?

Hardly surprising, Tonton. Quintana lacks panache, but not w/kg which is what Tour de France is about. Or has become. It makes me doubt whether you have actually watched your cycling race in France the last couple of years which is sad considering I like most of your posts. As has been stated multiple times, the race only really begins at Ventoux, especially for Quintana. Your judgement seems to be incredibly biased due to Quintana not giving you a spectacle, a good viewing experience on the criminally overrated Hórs Categorie Arcalis, but does he care?

Cold-blooded killer, not trigger-happy, no pleasuring pet. Altho Im sure you would rate his chancer much higher if that was the case, but thats not how its going down in modern cycling. Get used to it