Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[Gigs_98]

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Still, Pantani climbed a few minutes faster than Q.

And thats a good thing

 

[Rollthedice]

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Nairo Quintana has the potencial to be one of the very best pure climbers in the history of the sport.

I'd say he's already the best climber since Pantani.

Never been a Pantani fan. If Nairo continues delivering these performances in the next years, his palmares could be monstrous. The guy is gifted as hell, his worst result in TdF is a 3rd!!!

And his best is second.

 

[Red Rick]

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Nairo Quintana has the potencial to be one of the very best pure climbers in the history of the sport.

I'd say he's already the best climber since Pantani.

Never been a Pantani fan. If Nairo continues delivering these performances in the next years, his palmares could be monstrous. The guy is gifted as hell, his worst result in TdF is a 3rd!!!

And his best is second.

I see what you did there

 

[portugal11]

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Nairo Quintana has the potencial to be one of the very best pure climbers in the history of the sport.

I'd say he's already the best climber since Pantani.

Never been a Pantani fan. If Nairo continues delivering these performances in the next years, his palmares could be monstrous. The guy is gifted as hell, his worst result in TdF is a 3rd!!!

And his best is second.

:surprised: :surprised: :surprised:

 

[Valv.Piti]

Not dropping everyone, but if he can't get at least 1'30 on the Bormio-stage on Dumoulin, the Giro could suddenly be a lot harder to win. Just saying that I don't expect big gaps on Oropa and the hilly days on stage 11 and 15 aren't hard enough (and Dumoulin is very good on hilly terrain anyways). And then obviously reassess after stage 16 as there are still 3 pretty hard mountain stages left.

 

[Valv.Piti]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/qui...rial-will-suit-the-specialists/#disqus_thread

Very good interview as always with Quintana. Says that this is the best start of the the team ever and you can't really argue against that, him and Valverde have literally won everything they have targeted so far.

 

[SeriousSam]

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Nairo Quintana has the potencial to be one of the very best pure climbers in the history of the sport.

I'd say he's already the best climber since Pantani.

Even though getting outclimbed by Froome is an important factor as to why why he hasn't managed to win the Tour yet?

But leaving Froome aside, the number of MTFs against top competition he's won over the years is certainly impressive.

 

[AlexNYC]

I'd say peak Froome is difficult to overlook, but peak Froome is quite an ephemeral creature that only exists for one or two days every year

Quintana, in contrast, seems to always be the best or very nearly the best climber regardless of form.

 

[rick james]

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I'd say peak Froome is difficult to overlook, but peak Froome is quite an ephemeral creature that only exists for one or two days every year

Quintana, in contrast, seems to always be the best or very nearly the best climber regardless of form.

Le tour last year tells us all how wrong your statement is

 

[Monstre du Cyclisme]

Umbrailpass is far from being similar to Blockhaus. Blockhaus was quite irregular with short very steep sections and flatter sections afterwards. I've ridden the Umbrailpass and although the average may be similar the climb in general is totally different. It's a bit steeper in the lower sections but still very regularly. In the middle it gets a bit easier. Actually, it's quite a pleasing climb as there are no steep sections at all and you can really find your rythm at a steady pace. Perfectly suited for Dumoulin actually.

More important at Umbrailpass will be the tiredness. Mortirolo (even though it's the easier side) and Stilfser Joch are just two killers. The descent to Prad may be long but with all the hairpins you cannot really recuperate and instead you need all your attention to avoid a crash. But the long run-in to Mustair at the bottom of Umbrailpass is just nasty. There can be strong headwind and with the road going slightly uphill you need a strong team. If Nairo had to attack Dumoulin he could attack him here. Without a team this section is going to kill you.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Umbrailpass is far from being similar to Blockhaus. Blockhaus was quite irregular with short very steep sections and flatter sections afterwards. I've ridden the Umbrailpass and although the average may be similar the climb in general is totally different. It's a bit steeper in the lower sections but still very regularly. In the middle it gets a bit easier. Actually, it's quite a pleasing climb as there are no steep section at all and you can really find your rythm at a steady pace. Perfectly suited for Dumoulin actually.

More important at Umbrailpass will be the tiredness. Mortirolo (even though it's the easier side) and Stilfser Joch are just two killers. The descent to Prad may be long but with all the hairpins you cannot really recuperate and instead you need all your attention to avoid a crash. But the long run in to Mustair at the bottom of Umbrailpass is just nasty. There can be strong headwind and with the road going slightly uphill you need a strong team. If Nairo had to attack Dumoulin he could attack him here. Without a team this section is going to kill you.

Yeah, its obviously a very different climb, but stats-wise its almost equal to Blockhaus.

 

[AlexNYC]

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I'd say peak Froome is difficult to overlook, but peak Froome is quite an ephemeral creature that only exists for one or two days every year

Quintana, in contrast, seems to always be the best or very nearly the best climber regardless of form.

Le tour last year tells us all how wrong your statement is

Nairo was bad in that Tour only in relation to his own standards. He was still near the top save for a few riders who were at their peak for the season. But have you ever seen him dropping off the back of the peloton like we have seen Froome do in multiple races? If all you can point to is a Tour that he actually podiumed, well, I think you don't have much of an argument.

 

[sir fly]

The rest day broke his rhythm.

 

[lenric]

So, the last ITT will be a flat one, which will be even harmful to Quintana, which means he will have to go deep to win this. I guess he can say farewell to the double, if not even to the Giro.

 

[portugal11]

He will never be a good time trialist, i'm starting to doubt if he will ever win a tour. He is 2.23 behind tom and he will loose more 2 minutes in the final time trial.
Maybe he will go bananas tomorrow?

 

[Jspear]

No need to overreact. He can win the Giro and the Tour this year.

 

[portugal11]

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No need to overreact. He can win the Giro and the Tour this year.

He won't win le tour...

 

[lenric]

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No need to overreact. He can win the Giro and the Tour this year.

Well, he can also win the Vuelta. That doesn't mean it is realistic.
The probability of achieving a double has diminished, because now he will have to go deeper than expected.

 

[AlexNYC]

He lost more than he expected to, but I think 3 minutes to Dumoulin was always on the cards.

 

[lenric]

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He lost more than he expected to, but I think 3 minutes to Dumoulin was always on the cards.

It wasn't considered impossible, but very unlikely. Only 2 or 3 posters max considered the possibility of Quintana losing more than 2 minutes.

 

[AlexNYC]

He also lost less than expected to Pinot. I think everyone is underestimating the fact that FDJ and Bahrein, in addition to Movistar, will be trying to distance Dumoulin now, a rider who will be effectively without a team in the high mountains.

 

[DFA123]

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I'd say peak Froome is difficult to overlook, but peak Froome is quite an ephemeral creature that only exists for one or two days every year

Quintana, in contrast, seems to always be the best or very nearly the best climber regardless of form.

Exactly. Froome falls under the same category as Armstrong. Almost unbeatable for the one or two mtf they target each year and reach a super peak for, but significantly below that level for the rest of the year.

Don't think you can compare riders like that with Quintana or Pantani, who can win mountain stages and GCs at any time of year, on almost any kind of climb.

 

[kingjr]

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I'd say peak Froome is difficult to overlook, but peak Froome is quite an ephemeral creature that only exists for one or two days every year

Quintana, in contrast, seems to always be the best or very nearly the best climber regardless of form.

Exactly. Froome falls under the same category as Armstrong. Almost unbeatable for the one or two mtf they target each year and reach a super peak for, but significantly below that level for the rest of the year.

Don't think you can compare riders like that with Quintana or Pantani, who can win mountain stages and GCs at any time of year, on almost any kind of climb.

This post makes no sense at all. Naming Pantani in this context is beyond silly.

 

[movingtarget]

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So, the last ITT will be a flat one, which will be even harmful to Quintana, which means he will have to go deep to win this. I guess he can say farewell to the double, if not even to the Giro.

The double is a fairy story for the 21st century.

 

[No_Balls]

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No need to overreact. He can win the Giro and the Tour this year.

He wont win neither.