Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[Escarabajo]

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I guess you finally start to see Dumoulin is not the ****** climber you made him out to be? Even with the Giro in the legs he's far ahead of Quintana

Dumo is a good climber. He is better this year than previous ones as well. But I don't think there were many people in here saying that he was not.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

No but DFA is well known for not believing that

 

[Escarabajo]

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Really disappointing from Nairo. The whole season he refers to the Tour as the event where he wants to be at 100%, he even made some unusual changes in his pre-Tour schedule and then he performs like this.. He seems to stagnate in his development for some reason, perhaps better to change teams at the end of the season like Astana. Wouldn't surprise me if this would be his last Tour in Movistar coulours.

Seems right now he just can't cope with the raw power that the 70kg heavyweights can sustain in the mountains these days. None of the lightweights can handle it.

He is not as lightweight as before.

Maybe he focused on the flat, the cobbles and the TT and gained some muscle. To later find out that he is not the same as before in the mountains.

 

[rick james]

He needs to get out of Movistar

 

[Escarabajo]

i refuse to believe that nairo is on decline , he said that in future he wants to do again the giro-tour i trust him , Yesterday he loses a minute to thomas in 5 km at 5 % gradient i find this not normal from thomas part not Nairo

He is not on a decline. He needs to adjust his whole program. And in my opinion forget about trying hard on other areas that are very hard for him.

The problem is that the relationship between him and Movistar can be damaged now and credibility could be lost there. That's why a new team and coaches could help him adjust the program again.

 

[Escarabajo]

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He needs to get out of Movistar

This.

 

[movingtarget]

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He needs to get out of Movistar

Sky might need someone.........he obviously doesn't have the legs at the moment. Even an injured Landa looks better.

 

[Rollthedice]

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I can't believe this is the same rider I saw in the Tour de Suisse.

This is not Tour de Suisse.

 

[DFA123]

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I guess you finally start to see Dumoulin is not the ****** climber you made him out to be? Even with the Giro in the legs he's far ahead of Quintana

He's clearly taken a big step forward this year. Right now looks much stronger than Quintana. He's not even too far from the level of Thomas.

 

[Moviestar]

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He needs to get out of Movistar

Sky might need someone.........he obviously doesn't have the legs at the moment. Even an injured Landa looks better.

Thomas was already offering Tom a job in their chatting while they were riding with 4 on a line :lol:

 

[DFA123]

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Really disappointing from Nairo. The whole season he refers to the Tour as the event where he wants to be at 100%, he even made some unusual changes in his pre-Tour schedule and then he performs like this.. He seems to stagnate in his development for some reason, perhaps better to change teams at the end of the season like Astana. Wouldn't surprise me if this would be his last Tour in Movistar coulours.

Seems right now he just can't cope with the raw power that the 70kg heavyweights can sustain in the mountains these days. None of the lightweights can handle it.

He is not as lightweight as before.

Maybe he focused on the flat, the cobbles and the TT and gained some muscle. To later find out that he is not the same as before in the mountains.

Yeah, I guess it's the classic dilemna that there has always been in cycling. How best to manage power-weight ratio. Looks like he's bulked up too much, or maybe he's on his way to a role-reversal with Thomas and he'll be winning E3 in a couple of years.

Plus, it seems that right now the bigger riders can somehow shed 3-4kg and maintain their power, which never used to be the case - and it is squeezing out the lighter riders who just can't match that improved power - weight ratio.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Super bad performance.

I dont really believe in him anymore after this stage, it had Quintana written all over it. He got passed by Jacob *** Fuglsang, christ sake...

 

[DFA123]

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Super bad performance.

I dont really believe in him anymore after this stage, it had Quintana written all over it. He got passed by Jacob **** Fuglsang, christ sake...

It seems like Movistar have looked very bad this Tour. I wonder if, as Escarabajo said, that they got too obsessed by the cobbled stage and TT and forgot to concentrate on what they are normally good at. Landa crashed I suppose, so has an excuse, but Quintana and Valverde have just looked off the pace - except on the cobbles where they looked great.

 

[Scarponi]

I am scared for his career. It has to be true you can't go so deep in your early twenties. Maybe he will get a late push nearer 30

 

[Escarabajo]

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I am scared for his career. It has to be true you can't go so deep in your early twenties. Maybe he will get a late push nearer 30

I don't believe in this unless there are other external factors involve.

 

[hfer07]

I'm going to say it Once:

I Hope and Pray Quintana does not become the colombian Schleck.......

To me it's very,very Odd the way he's performing lately after all the preparation he's done prior to Le Tour!! It's like he arrives burned out already!! The other crucial factor is his upcoming contract expiration next year, which with the lack of "results", He might find himself off guard for either contract renewal with MoviStar or not getting the same money market with another team......

not good one bit

 

[Koronin]

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Super bad performance.

I dont really believe in him anymore after this stage, it had Quintana written all over it. He got passed by Jacob **** Fuglsang, christ sake...

It seems like Movistar have looked very bad this Tour. I wonder if, as Escarabajo said, that they got too obsessed by the cobbled stage and TT and forgot to concentrate on what they are normally good at. Landa crashed I suppose, so has an excuse, but Quintana and Valverde have just looked off the pace - except on the cobbles where they looked great.

Valverde actually never came to the Tour to try to win it. He said a few weeks ago that he was at best in race shape. He's said several times he was only wanting to do 2 peaks this year, one for the winter/spring campaign and the 2nd for the Vuelta/Worlds which are his big goals at the end of the season. He's also said multiple times the Tour is not and was never on his list of goals for this year. What you're currently seeing with Valverde is a field that is at or near peak and him who is in race shape and very far off his peak. He'd also made some comment about using the Tour to get ready for the Vuelta.

Landa IS suffering from his crash. He said his back yesterday and today has been really bothering him and he's doing the best he can with it.

Nairo is just not the climber he once was.

 

[Blanco]

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I guess you finally start to see Dumoulin is not the ****** climber you made him out to be? Even with the Giro in the legs he's far ahead of Quintana

And that's the most worrying thing in cycling right now, 70kg TT-ists and track riders out climbing 10 kg lighter mountain goats in a stage with more than 5000m vertical gain

 

[Serpentin]

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I guess you finally start to see Dumoulin is not the ****** climber you made him out to be? Even with the Giro in the legs he's far ahead of Quintana

And that's the most worrying thing in cycling right now, 70kg TT-ists and track riders out climbing 10 kg lighter mountain goats in a stage with more than 5000m vertical gain

Yes but that discussion clearly belongs in the clinic. It`s a trend that big TT specialists can become world beating climbers.

I hope that Q can put his ego aside and ride a little bit for Landa so that he can make the podium.

 

[Escarabajo]

To me, as repeated several times, he has a problem with his program. Diet and training. The only good thing about his training around his home is the altitude. Everything else looks horrible. Social events, poor diet, lack of racing, etc.
Everytime a see him is on social events and with too many friends. Next we see him being a bit thicker than he used to be. At the beginning we thought it was the winter clothing. After that there was some lack of racing, due to focusing on solely the Tour. I think that made it worse. When I saw him in the Tour of Suisse I couldn't believe my eyes when he showed up. Next I couldn't believe he was climbing that well in Suisse. Really, he is that talented. But of course I knew he was going to fail in the Tour because you have to be 100% top notch, as we have seen. I told my wife and She told me I was being so negative. But I found it hard to believe that he was going to be like in 2013 or 2015. I was so upset.

I don't think he is going to be the next Andy Schleck. Besides he is still climbing much better than Schleck on his decline. Much better. Those comments about peaking early and stuff, I don't buy it. Natural talented just don't disappear like that unless there is something physically wrong with you like an illness.

Some people trying to downplay him all the time was annoying to me. Because I knew that he was very talented but at the same time I knew that Quintana was not being very professional so there was a concern for failure.

Last but not least, I think a change of teams will be a good start. He needs a new environment with new coaches. Money of the contract should be the least of his concerns right now if you ask me. He should focus on righting the path of becoming again what he once was.

My 2 cents!

 

[Red Rick]

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To me, as repeated several times, he has a problem with his program. Diet and training. The only good thing about his training around his home is the altitude. Everything else looks horrible. Social events, poor diet, lack of racing, etc.
Everytime a see him is on social events and with too many friends. Next we see him being a bit thicker than he used to be. At the beginning we thought it was the winter clothing. After that there was some lack of racing, due to focusing on solely the Tour. I think that made it worse. When I saw him in the Tour of Suisse I couldn't believe my eyes when he showed up. Next I couldn't believe he was climbing that well in Suisse. Really, he is that talented. But of course I knew he was going to fail in the Tour because you have to be 100% top notch, as we have seen. I told my wife and She told me I was being so negative. But I found it hard to believe that he was going to be like in 2013 or 2015. I was so upset.

I don't think he is going to be the next Andy Schleck. Besides he is still climbing much better than Schleck on his decline. Much better. Those comments about peaking early and stuff, I don't buy it. Natural talented just don't disappear like that unless there is something physically wrong with you like an illness.

Some people trying to downplay him all the time was annoying to me. Because I knew that he was very talented but at the same time I knew that Quintana was not being very professional so there was a concern for failure.

Last but not least, I think a change of teams will be a good start. He needs a new environment with new coaches. Money of the contract should be the least of his concerns right now if you ask me. He should focus on righting the path of becoming again what he once was.

My 2 cents!

Really?

Never heard that about Quintana before

 

[Koronin]

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To me, as repeated several times, he has a problem with his program. Diet and training. The only good thing about his training around his home is the altitude. Everything else looks horrible. Social events, poor diet, lack of racing, etc.
Everytime a see him is on social events and with too many friends. Next we see him being a bit thicker than he used to be. At the beginning we thought it was the winter clothing. After that there was some lack of racing, due to focusing on solely the Tour. I think that made it worse. When I saw him in the Tour of Suisse I couldn't believe my eyes when he showed up. Next I couldn't believe he was climbing that well in Suisse. Really, he is that talented. But of course I knew he was going to fail in the Tour because you have to be 100% top notch, as we have seen. I told my wife and She told me I was being so negative. But I found it hard to believe that he was going to be like in 2013 or 2015. I was so upset.

I don't think he is going to be the next Andy Schleck. Besides he is still climbing much better than Schleck on his decline. Much better. Those comments about peaking early and stuff, I don't buy it. Natural talented just don't disappear like that unless there is something physically wrong with you like an illness.

Some people trying to downplay him all the time was annoying to me. Because I knew that he was very talented but at the same time I knew that Quintana was not being very professional so there was a concern for failure.

Last but not least, I think a change of teams will be a good start. He needs a new environment with new coaches. Money of the contract should be the least of his concerns right now if you ask me. He should focus on righting the path of becoming again what he once was.

My 2 cents!

Interesting. I do think he needs a change of teams for several reasons. However, if he has some of the same issues at Betancur, not sure it'll make that much difference.

 

[movingtarget]

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To me, as repeated several times, he has a problem with his program. Diet and training. The only good thing about his training around his home is the altitude. Everything else looks horrible. Social events, poor diet, lack of racing, etc.
Everytime a see him is on social events and with too many friends. Next we see him being a bit thicker than he used to be. At the beginning we thought it was the winter clothing. After that there was some lack of racing, due to focusing on solely the Tour. I think that made it worse. When I saw him in the Tour of Suisse I couldn't believe my eyes when he showed up. Next I couldn't believe he was climbing that well in Suisse. Really, he is that talented. But of course I knew he was going to fail in the Tour because you have to be 100% top notch, as we have seen. I told my wife and She told me I was being so negative. But I found it hard to believe that he was going to be like in 2013 or 2015. I was so upset.

I don't think he is going to be the next Andy Schleck. Besides he is still climbing much better than Schleck on his decline. Much better. Those comments about peaking early and stuff, I don't buy it. Natural talented just don't disappear like that unless there is something physically wrong with you like an illness.

Some people trying to downplay him all the time was annoying to me. Because I knew that he was very talented but at the same time I knew that Quintana was not being very professional so there was a concern for failure.

Last but not least, I think a change of teams will be a good start. He needs a new environment with new coaches. Money of the contract should be the least of his concerns right now if you ask me. He should focus on righting the path of becoming again what he once was.

My 2 cents!

At the moment it's not a bad comparison but Quintana has time to turn it around while Andy took early retirement after having some struggles. But it seems the Quintana of 2013/2015 is a distant memory. The way he was dropped explained his small attack which went nowhere but at least he tried. But Sky's new version of Landa riding on the front hardly blinked.

 

[Escarabajo]

Koronin. Betancur is not a good example. I don't that is the case. He is still performing good. Sometimes with flashes of greatness. I think he need to change his program. Or at least need to adjust what is not working. There has been some struggles between his team and him trying to get him to Europe more time and this can be the perfect excuse. To me a new team would be good for him. He needs a new scenery. Different points of views.

 

[Koronin]

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Koronin. Betancur is not a good example. I don't that is the case. He is still performing good. Sometimes with flashes of greatness. I think he need to change his program. Or at least need to adjust what is not working. There has been some struggles between his team and him trying to get him to Europe more time and this can be the perfect excuse. To me a new team would be good for him. He needs a new scenery. Different points of views.

I do think he needs a new team. The way Movistar operates isn't for everyone and truthfully there are a lot that could never do well the way they run things. Although the same can be said for Sky (who is the opposite end of the spectrum on how they do things). Quintana very well could need more structure than he's ever going to get at Movistar. I remember Dowsett explaining going from Sky to Movistar as at Sky your entire day down to the minute is planned out for you while Movistar is organized chaos. I actually think he and Tejay are both overdue for a change of teams.