National Championship Discussion/Results

[Eshnar]

Does anybody know why Basso is riding the ITT?

A&S has a pretty good team. Il Killer back to glory?


Also, I hope Damiano is taking a break after this one.

I didn't even notice it lol
I dunno.

The route of the RR is terribly hard, if the big guns care this could be epic.
Nibs, Cunego, Scarponi, Di Luca (if he's in shape)....

 

[CasperVg]

Does anybody know why Basso is riding the ITT?

A&S has a pretty good team. Il Killer back to glory?


Also, I hope Damiano is taking a break after this one.

Last ITT training before the Tour I guess?

 

[SafeBet]

Last ITT training before the Tour I guess?

So Basso is going to the Tour as a domestique.
But needs to test himself for the ITT.

I'm confused.

 

[Azabael]

Which you don't. Lol. You just look at the speed, and say "not fast enough".

It was a pretty technical course with plenty of corners. Not exactly like Zaltbommel with the long straight roads

He does have a point as well though. Beating Kelderman by a minute now, doesn't mean Westra would've beaten or equaled Wiggins in the Dauphine.
Actually I think that the dutch national TT race was ridden on the same day and course as the Dauphine TT that Kelderman would've beat all of them.

But in reality that's a big IF which isn't of any use at all.

Anyone whos ever ridden a bike knows that 49 km/h average is very difficult.

Of course that's difficult, but frankly so off the point. Bowling without arms is also quite difficult but doesn't ensure you will beat Wiggins in a direct battle against the clock. Your remark is that irrelevant.

What was Kessiakoff's average when he beat Cancellara last week?

44.2km/h according to my calculation. But like mentioned, you can't compare the two.

For good fun, I calculated some more. Here are the numbers. Frankly short prologues are of a different order, though Martin's and Pinotti's are already on the short side compared to the others.

Cancellara's national TT 2012: 49.5km/h (50km)
Wiggins at Dauphiné 2012: 50.8km/h (53,5km)
Martin at Tour de Belgique 2012: 51.1km/h (20,5km)
Pinotti at Milano TT giro 2012: 51.1km/h (28,2km)
Cancellara at Mendrisio worlds 2009: 51.6km/h (49,8km)
Martin at Copenhagen worlds 2011: 51.8km/h (46,4km)
Armstrong at tour TT 2000: 54km/h (58,5km) Ullrich finished 25sec behind.

As far as I could dig into Armstrong's TTs, this was by far his best in any Tour. Perhaps I overlooked some. Not to mention we can put question marks surrounding his accomplishments.

Requests for the lazy are welcome.

 

[Cancellator]

Cancellara's national TT 2012: 49.5km/h (50km)
Wiggins at Dauphiné 2012: 50.8km/h (53,5km)
Martin at Tour de Belgique 2012: 51.1km/h (20,5km)
Pinotti at Milano TT giro 2012: 51.1km/h (28,2km)
Cancellara at Mendrisio worlds 2009: 51.6km/h (49,8km)
Martin at Copenhagen worlds 2011: 51.8km/h (46,4km)
Armstrong at tour TT 2000: 54km/h (58,5km) Ullrich finished 25sec behind.

How difficult were the Swiss TT and Dauphine courses by comparison?

 

[will10]

Of course that's difficult, but frankly so off the point. Bowling without arms is also quite difficult but doesn't ensure you will beat Wiggins in a direct battle against the clock. Your remark is that irrelevant.



44.2km/h according to my calculation. But like mentioned, you can't compare the two.

For good fun, I calculated some more. Here are the numbers. Frankly short prologues are of a different order, though Martin's and Pinotti's are already on the short side compared to the others.

Cancellara's national TT 2012: 49.5km/h (50km)
Wiggins at Dauphiné 2012: 50.8km/h (53,5km)
Martin at Tour de Belgique 2012: 51.1km/h (20,5km)
Pinotti at Milano TT giro 2012: 51.1km/h (28,2km)
Cancellara at Mendrisio worlds 2009: 51.6km/h (49,8km)
Martin at Copenhagen worlds 2011: 51.8km/h (46,4km)
Armstrong at tour TT 2000: 54km/h (58,5km) Ullrich finished 25sec behind.

As far as I could dig into Armstrong's TTs, this was by far his best in any Tour. Perhaps I overlooked some. Not to mention we can put question marks surrounding his accomplishments.

Requests for the lazy are welcome.

Comparing speeds across different courses is nigh on pointless. Some of those are technical circuits, some are out and back courses, some are A - B courses. Check out Plaza and Heras' final TTs in 2005 Vuelta, slightly downhill point to point with a tailwind.

 

[Pippo_San]

So Basso is going to the Tour as a domestique.
But needs to test himself for the ITT.

I'm confused.

I've never really believed in Basso as a domestique. He's not been a good domestique in 2009 when he should've, and he's almost never been in his entire career.
He's really Tour Plan B for Leaky.

 

[GazelleFormula]

LTD does recon on the nationals circuit. http://app.strava.com/rides/11356698

 

[Azabael]

Okay, some of you think I hereby say that one performed better than the other or is simply better because his average speed is higher. It's the opposite of what I was trying to bring across. My point was how relative beating one can be, thus also one's speed due to circumstances. I was merely giving the numbers for fun, as stated. I just like the facts, but I'll back off.

 

[cineteq]

Does anybody have the course profile for Belgian road race? Pisto, anyone?

 

[TheEnoculator]

Rabo got shut out in both Dutch men and women's TT championships. Hopefully they can salvage something in the road races.

 

[Azabael]

Rabo got shut out in both Dutch men and women's TT championships. Hopefully they can salvage something in the road races.

Kruijswijk to take it solo.

 

[El Pistolero]

Does anybody have the course profile for Belgian road race? Pisto, anyone?

Start_____________________________________________________________________________Finish

 

[Caruut]

Any cobbles? Either way, it looks very much Boonen's to lose.

 

[El Pistolero]

Any cobbles? Either way, it looks very much Boonen's to lose.

No cobbles, race takes place in Geel, Boonen's backyard. Cobbles are usually located in West and East Flanders. Geel is Antwerp.

 

[Eshnar]

Start_____________________________________________________________________________Finish

Boonen approved route.

 

[El Pistolero]

Boonen approved route.

Well the only time Boonen won the Belgian Nats was in Aywaille.

2008 was also a flat national championship.

 

[dlwssonic]

Wasn't last year rather flat too??

 

[Ruudz0r]

Bodnar won the Time trial in Poland.

 

[roundabout]

http://direct.directvelo.com/live-course/1373/championnat-de-france-contre-la-montre-elites-.html

Ticker from France ITT

 

[TeoSheva]

Bodnar won the Time trial in Poland.

1. Maciej Bodnar (Liquigas)
2. Michal Kwiatkowski (Omega Pharma-Quick Step) a 7
3. Lukasz Bodnar (BGZ Team) a 1:30

 

[el_angliru]

Cancellara's national TT 2012: 49.5km/h (50km)
Wiggins at Dauphiné 2012: 50.8km/h (53,5km)
Martin at Tour de Belgique 2012: 51.1km/h (20,5km)
Pinotti at Milano TT giro 2012: 51.1km/h (28,2km)
Cancellara at Mendrisio worlds 2009: 51.6km/h (49,8km)
Martin at Copenhagen worlds 2011: 51.8km/h (46,4km)
Armstrong at tour TT 2000: 54km/h (58,5km) Ullrich finished 25sec behind.

As far as I could dig into Armstrong's TTs, this was by far his best in any Tour. Perhaps I overlooked some. Not to mention we can put question marks surrounding his accomplishments.

Armstrong at tour TT 2005: 54.6 km/h (19 km). Zabriskie won (two secs faster ~54.7 km/h). Not a very long TT but longer than a prologue.

 

[el_angliru]

Speaking of skaters: Cathrine Grage won the Danish TT championship today. She represented Denmark at the 2010 Winter Olympics (speed skating).

 

[TeoSheva]

Chavanel wins the ITT in France

 

[dabaideschbi]

do you guys know if sagan is riding the TT??