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Less than twenty-four hours after repaying the NFL owners who donated more than $7 million to his campaign by telling fans not to attend their games, Trump said the GS Warriors are not welcome at the White House. They probably weren’t going, anyway. If Cleveland had won, they probably wouldn't have gone, either, given they purposely moved up their visit last year so it would not occur on Trump's watch.

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The problem with Hernandez, can you categorically say that it was the CTE that made him to do what he he did and make the decisions he made ?

Obviously no one can prove that CTE was the cause or a cause of his behavior. But that's true of every player diagnosed with it postmortem, e.g., Long, Waters, Dronett, Easterling, Seau, Duerson, Salaam. Do we know that they committed suicide because of CTE? No. We infer it’s likely because they underwent a major transformation in behavior.

He was running with a rough crew from his college days and maybe before. If he was older and never had a criminal history before as seen in other cases of erratic behavior with players after they retire it would be more compelling to explain away his decisions as mental issues based on the state of his brain alone.

But why was he running with a rough crew? How do we know it wasn't because of CTE? The fact that he was younger when the erratic behavior began is irrelevant; he was shown to have a case of CTE as advanced as that typically found in much older people. His change seems to have begun when his father died, when he was just sixteen, and that may have been a triggering factor. But if he was already suffering from CTE at that time, which is plausible, that might have aggravated his response to it.
 
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Merckx index said:
Less than twenty-four hours after repaying the NFL owners who donated more than $7 million to his campaign by telling fans not to attend their games, Trump said the GS Warriors are not welcome at the White House. They probably weren’t going, anyway. If Cleveland had won, they probably wouldn't have gone, either, given they purposely moved up their visit last year so it would not occur on Trump's watch.

movingtarget said:
The problem with Hernandez, can you categorically say that it was the CTE that made him to do what he he did and make the decisions he made ?

Obviously no one can prove that CTE was the cause or a cause of his behavior. But that's true of every player diagnosed with it postmortem, e.g., Long, Waters, Dronett, Easterling, Seau, Duerson, Salaam. Do we know that they committed suicide because of CTE? No. We infer it’s likely because they underwent a major transformation in behavior.

He was running with a rough crew from his college days and maybe before. If he was older and never had a criminal history before as seen in other cases of erratic behavior with players after they retire it would be more compelling to explain away his decisions as mental issues based on the state of his brain alone.

But why was he running with a rough crew? How do we know it wasn't because of CTE? The fact that he was younger when the erratic behavior began is irrelevant; he was shown to have a case of CTE as advanced as that typically found in much older people. His change seems to have begun when his father died, when he was just sixteen, and that may have been a triggering factor. But if he was already suffering from CTE at that time, which is plausible, that might have aggravated his response to it.
It is relevant if they are suing the NFL. How many people his age have they looked for CTE? They don't have enough data on people his age. His is typical of people older because those are the ones they have data on (and even that is a small, not random sample).
 
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jmdirt said:
It is relevant if they are suing the NFL. How many people his age have they looked for CTE? They don't have enough data on people his age. His is typical of people older because those are the ones they have data on (and even that is a small, not random sample).

No. What’s relevant is the state of his brain. The state of the brain is what’s correlated with behavior, not age.

I’m not arguing that anyone suing the NFL has a good case, I’m just pointing out that his age has no relevance to the question of whether CTE impacted his behavior (though it might have relevance to the question of how much impact playing football had on CTE). It's basically the same with any disease. What matters is the extent of the disease, not how old you are when you contract it. Age may not be totally irrelevant with some disorders, particularly if you're old enough to be suffering from other, complicating factors, but most if not all the suicides linked to CTE have been relatively younger individuals. E.g., if Hernandez' brain had atrophied to the same extent that Seau's had, there's no reason to believe that he was at less risk for behavioral problems because he was 15 years younger.
 
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Merckx index said:
jmdirt said:
It is relevant if they are suing the NFL. How many people his age have they looked for CTE? They don't have enough data on people his age. His is typical of people older because those are the ones they have data on (and even that is a small, not random sample).

No. What’s relevant is the state of his brain. The state of the brain is what’s correlated with behavior, not age.

I’m not arguing that anyone suing the NFL has a good case, I’m just pointing out that his age has no relevance to the question of whether CTE impacted his behavior (though it might have relevance to the question of how much impact playing football had on CTE). It's basically the same with any disease. What matters is the extent of the disease, not how old you are when you contract it. Age may not be totally irrelevant with some disorders, particularly if you're old enough to be suffering from other, complicating factors, but most if not all the suicides linked to CTE have been relatively younger individuals. E.g., if Hernandez' brain had atrophied to the same extent that Seau's had, there's no reason to believe that he was at less risk for behavioral problems because he was 15 years younger.
falls right into the liberal bleeding heart BS.

Spare us the actual concern. Trying to understand why the sudden concern with the NFL?
Oh right it is transparent that your only concern is because it is something that might shed bad light on the NFL.
Perfect "educated" liberal response coming soon.
 
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Semper Fidelis said:
Merckx index said:
jmdirt said:
It is relevant if they are suing the NFL. How many people his age have they looked for CTE? They don't have enough data on people his age. His is typical of people older because those are the ones they have data on (and even that is a small, not random sample).

No. What’s relevant is the state of his brain. The state of the brain is what’s correlated with behavior, not age.

I’m not arguing that anyone suing the NFL has a good case, I’m just pointing out that his age has no relevance to the question of whether CTE impacted his behavior (though it might have relevance to the question of how much impact playing football had on CTE). It's basically the same with any disease. What matters is the extent of the disease, not how old you are when you contract it. Age may not be totally irrelevant with some disorders, particularly if you're old enough to be suffering from other, complicating factors, but most if not all the suicides linked to CTE have been relatively younger individuals. E.g., if Hernandez' brain had atrophied to the same extent that Seau's had, there's no reason to believe that he was at less risk for behavioral problems because he was 15 years younger.
falls right into the liberal bleeding heart BS.

Spare us the actual concern. Trying to understand why the sudden concern with the NFL?
Oh right it is transparent that your only concern is because it is something that might shed bad light on the NFL.
Perfect "educated" liberal response coming soon.

....yeah its funny isn't it....like we've known for decades that professional football players had a life expectancy that was significantly lower than the general public ( it was neck and neck with professional boxing apparently...about 20 years below the norm....and we aren't talking just CTE here but death.... )....

....so why the concern now ?.....maybe because someone had the stones to bring it up and the power to do something about it ?....and once that happened the story got traction it just hasn't died...and it had traction because people were interested ( and this despite the fact the NFL had tried everything to make this go away....and football culture is deep rooted in the Merikan landscape and there is lots riding on keeping things going as they were )....

...a bit like talking about dangerous working conditions in other industries, no ?.....and it just happens that the football industry's time had come for a reckoning....

Cheers
 
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Rand Paul said that the players should stand for the 'pledge'. The national anthem isn't the pledge of allegiance, Rand.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/rand-paul-says-people-have-a-right-to-protest-after-trump-s-nfl-feud-1053760067605
At this point all the politicians should STFU with respect to this nonsense.

There is one way to stop all of this and that is to not play the national anthem at all. That would be better, then I would not have to listen to any of the pussies on either side of the debate.
 
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blutto said:
Semper Fidelis said:
Merckx index said:
jmdirt said:
It is relevant if they are suing the NFL. How many people his age have they looked for CTE? They don't have enough data on people his age. His is typical of people older because those are the ones they have data on (and even that is a small, not random sample).

No. What’s relevant is the state of his brain. The state of the brain is what’s correlated with behavior, not age.

I’m not arguing that anyone suing the NFL has a good case, I’m just pointing out that his age has no relevance to the question of whether CTE impacted his behavior (though it might have relevance to the question of how much impact playing football had on CTE). It's basically the same with any disease. What matters is the extent of the disease, not how old you are when you contract it. Age may not be totally irrelevant with some disorders, particularly if you're old enough to be suffering from other, complicating factors, but most if not all the suicides linked to CTE have been relatively younger individuals. E.g., if Hernandez' brain had atrophied to the same extent that Seau's had, there's no reason to believe that he was at less risk for behavioral problems because he was 15 years younger.
falls right into the liberal bleeding heart BS.

Spare us the actual concern. Trying to understand why the sudden concern with the NFL?
Oh right it is transparent that your only concern is because it is something that might shed bad light on the NFL.
Perfect "educated" liberal response coming soon.

....yeah its funny isn't it....like we've known for decades that professional football players had a life expectancy that was significantly lower than the general public ( it was neck and neck with professional boxing apparently...about 20 years below the norm....and we aren't talking just CTE here but death.... )....

....so why the concern now ?.....maybe because someone had the stones to bring it up and the power to do something about it ?....and once that happened the story got traction it just hasn't died...and it had traction because people were interested ( and this despite the fact the NFL had tried everything to make this go away....and football culture is deep rooted in the Merikan landscape and there is lots riding on keeping things going as they were )....

...a bit like talking about dangerous working conditions in other industries, no ?.....and it just happens that the football industry's time had come for a reckoning....

Cheers
Fact is that some who post here have no interest in the NFL. They just want to show it up and cry about it. It was obvious to me anyway.
 
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Semper Fidelis said:
blutto said:
Semper Fidelis said:
Merckx index said:
jmdirt said:
It is relevant if they are suing the NFL. How many people his age have they looked for CTE? They don't have enough data on people his age. His is typical of people older because those are the ones they have data on (and even that is a small, not random sample).

No. What’s relevant is the state of his brain. The state of the brain is what’s correlated with behavior, not age.

I’m not arguing that anyone suing the NFL has a good case, I’m just pointing out that his age has no relevance to the question of whether CTE impacted his behavior (though it might have relevance to the question of how much impact playing football had on CTE). It's basically the same with any disease. What matters is the extent of the disease, not how old you are when you contract it. Age may not be totally irrelevant with some disorders, particularly if you're old enough to be suffering from other, complicating factors, but most if not all the suicides linked to CTE have been relatively younger individuals. E.g., if Hernandez' brain had atrophied to the same extent that Seau's had, there's no reason to believe that he was at less risk for behavioral problems because he was 15 years younger.
falls right into the liberal bleeding heart BS.

Spare us the actual concern. Trying to understand why the sudden concern with the NFL?
Oh right it is transparent that your only concern is because it is something that might shed bad light on the NFL.
Perfect "educated" liberal response coming soon.

....yeah its funny isn't it....like we've known for decades that professional football players had a life expectancy that was significantly lower than the general public ( it was neck and neck with professional boxing apparently...about 20 years below the norm....and we aren't talking just CTE here but death.... )....

....so why the concern now ?.....maybe because someone had the stones to bring it up and the power to do something about it ?....and once that happened the story got traction it just hasn't died...and it had traction because people were interested ( and this despite the fact the NFL had tried everything to make this go away....and football culture is deep rooted in the Merikan landscape and there is lots riding on keeping things going as they were )....

...a bit like talking about dangerous working conditions in other industries, no ?.....and it just happens that the football industry's time had come for a reckoning....

Cheers
Fact is that some who post here have no interest in the NFL. They just want to show it up and cry about it. It was obvious to me anyway.

....yeah caught a lot of that here ( locally ) as well....just wrote it off as people trying to act smart by trotting out some headlines they stumbled across....

....that being said it has also affected some fans....though if they were like me most of the gilt has long worn off the rose? lilly? ( if that is the correct phrase ) and this was another straw on the camel's back....the sports reporting industry has turned the whole circus into a weaponized circus like Las Vegas which I find more than a little off putting....a lot of us are still there just thru force of habit and sometimes because it just passes the time....

....hope that makes sense....

Cheers
 
Players and owners.. actions and comments can all give us hope that people are paying attention.. Trump, Steve Mnuchin, Treasury secretary telling the NFL owners how to run their businesses..a step too far.. Trump's insensitive comments ignoring traumatic brain injuries.. again responded to by those in the know with outrage and disappointment.
Donald Trump inferring that NFL players are soft.. would have said before I thought it was unbelievable.. but nothing is crazy with this president.. calling people a sons of a bitchs ..we shall wait to see the overall effect
 
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Unchained said:
Players and owners.. actions and comments can all give us hope that people are paying attention.. Trump, Steve Mnuchin, Treasury secretary telling the NFL owners how to run their businesses..a step too far.. Trump's insensitive comments ignoring traumatic brain injuries.. again responded to by those in the know with outrage and disappointment.
Donald Trump inferring that NFL players are soft.. would have said before I thought it was unbelievable.. but nothing is crazy with this president.. calling people a sons of a bitchs ..we shall wait to see the overall effect
welcome to the party.

Never knew you were interested in football.... oh wait its not football. Your post belongs in the politics thread not NFL thread.
 
Since this thread was never intended to discuss political topics, even if the NFL was involved, I would appreciate anyone that has a comment regarding the NFL's disagreement with Donald Trump to post it in the politics thread.

Let's keep politics out of the NFL thread to keep it clear for discussing the games, players and fantasy news.

Thanks! :)
 
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Irondan said:
Since this thread was never intended to discuss political topics, even if the NFL was involved, I would appreciate anyone that has a comment regarding the NFL's disagreement with Donald Trump to post it in the politics thread.

Let's keep politics out of the NFL thread to keep it clear for discussing the games, players and fantasy news.

Thanks! :)

Uh, okay. How 'bout those Bills!
They trade away a star receiver and go into tank mode, yet they beat a team they weren't supposed to and are now 2-1.
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Imagine going to four straight championship games and losing each and every one. No wonder why the fan base pretty much hates the world.
Although their fans dislike the qb, I think Tyrod Taylor is going to take this team to the playoffs for the first time in 300 years.
So there.
Go Bills!
 
SEA just doesn't look good most of the time.
O line poor
No run game ^
Wilson isn't sharp (yah he ended up with 350 ish yards but...)
Receivers aren't in sync with RW or each other
The D didn't even look good today

Bengals! Shaking head emoji!

My surprise of the week actually goes to two NY teams: Jet and Buffs.

And again, Brady is to old! :rolleyes:
 
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movingtarget said:
49ers Rams game was entertaining. Horrible start to the game by Hoyer but he had a good second half. Goff seems to be moving in the right direction. Donald had a huge game for the Rams and Hyde was also good for the 49ers. 49ers defense seemed to be tired after the short turnaround re the Seattle game.
haven't been able to see the highlights yet, but 49ers appeared to finish strongly with a few scores towards the end - not sure if there was a chance they'd pinch it, though... They were down 41-26 at one point.
Rams now highest scoring offense of the league, which I wouldn't have expected at all
Rams Seahawks in 2 weeks will be very interesting
 
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Archibald said:
movingtarget said:
49ers Rams game was entertaining. Horrible start to the game by Hoyer but he had a good second half. Goff seems to be moving in the right direction. Donald had a huge game for the Rams and Hyde was also good for the 49ers. 49ers defense seemed to be tired after the short turnaround re the Seattle game.
haven't been able to see the highlights yet, but 49ers appeared to finish strongly with a few scores towards the end - not sure if there was a chance they'd pinch it, though... They were down 41-26 at one point.
Rams now highest scoring offense of the league, which I wouldn't have expected at all
Rams Seahawks in 2 weeks will be very interesting

If you watch the full game or the last quarter re youtube you will see that the 49ers certainly did have a chance. A call by the refs killed their chance. One of those line ball decisions that tend to impact games. Entertaining game.
 
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jmdirt said:
SEA just doesn't look good most of the time.
O line poor
No run game ^
Wilson isn't sharp (yah he ended up with 350 ish yards but...)
Receivers aren't in sync with RW or each other
The D didn't even look good today

Bengals! Shaking head emoji!

My surprise of the week actually goes to two NY teams: Jet and Buffs.

And again, Brady is to old! :rolleyes:

Yeah the so called worst teams in the league the Colts and Jets both win while the Bengals and Giants can't win at the moment. Rams are looking good.......so far. Didn't expect Washington or the Bills to win either.
 
Bengals were looking good but seemed to get the shakes, Aaron Rodgers was casual as you like leading the team down for a TD with 17 seconds to go and then throwing an amazing pass to all but finish the game.

Cincinatti must be wondering what they have to do to catch a break, a win would have rescued their season since everyone else in their division lost, Ravens getting absolutely pummelled by Jacksonville.
 
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movingtarget said:
jmdirt said:
SEA just doesn't look good most of the time.
O line poor
No run game ^
Wilson isn't sharp (yah he ended up with 350 ish yards but...)
Receivers aren't in sync with RW or each other
The D didn't even look good today

Bengals! Shaking head emoji!

My surprise of the week actually goes to two NY teams: Jet and Buffs.

And again, Brady is to old! :rolleyes:

Yeah the so called worst teams in the league the Colts and Jets both win while the Bengals and Giants can't win at the moment. Rams are looking good.......so far. Didn't expect Washington or the Bills to win either.
I didn't expect WA to win either, but not because they aren't good, because OAK seemed to be rolling. I think that as long as Cousins plays solid, WA can be really good. They have a lot of pieces in place and I think that they will get better as the season goes. I hope Thompson can keep it going because that's fun to watch.
Pryor made a nice transition from QB to WR. I remember him making the switch, but then didn't pay attention to how he was doing until last night (he was with CLE for two years and they aren't televised in my region).
 

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