National Football League

[Unchained]

I think the Chargers should be given a 5 free penalty rule..we're there first 5 penalties both offensive and defensive be overlooked.. also Charger receivers should be able to push off or simply push the defender down in order to get a reception.. The defensive backs and covering linebacker should be able to hold on to anything,jersey, helmet... anything while covering a opponent trying for the ball.. Phillip Rivers should be allowed extra offensive linemen..to make things fair.. all games should be extended until the Chargers are ahead and then the game should be called and the LA Chargers given a win.. even if the other team didn't get a possession..
And finally the Spanos. family should return all the money I spent on being a world wide San Diego Chargers fan..the BS I endured while wearing my bolt hat(s) in NYC and DC.. all the shots, beer and wings I purchased while being abused by Philly,Giant and Jet fans.. I have a valid claim to a refund.. I wore a Chargers hat in Eastern and Western Europe.. I wore one on the East coast.. while watching Tom Brady!! I wore Chargers garb when LT became a Jet!! I cheered Jr as he kicked azz as a Patriot!!I watched in disbelief as players said to be inadequate Chargers went to New Orleans and dominated..
Dean Spanos and family are a football cancer..
RIP Mr.Seau they never deserved you.. yes I am bitter..a lil

 

[bob.a.feet]

Trevor Siemian and the Broncos are on fire today

 

[jmdirt]

Surprise of the day for me was DEN over DAL. Yes, the Bronco D is good, but I didn't see them winning let alone like that.
SEA eked one out, but they need help.
Brady is too old! :lol:

 

[movingtarget]

Tom Brady Always Wins

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/sports/football/tom-brady-new-england-patriots.html

 

[movingtarget]

Re:

Surprise of the day for me was DEN over DAL. Yes, the Bronco D is good, but I didn't see them winning let alone like that.
SEA eked one out, but they need help.
Brady is too old! :lol:

Watched the 49ers game. Both teams were having an off day with the offense. Couldn't catch the ball. Not surprisingly the 49ers tired in the fourth quarter. Hyde had a good game but the 49ers couldn't capitalize and Hoyer was pretty ordinary. One good drive by Wilson and Seattle did enough to win.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Re: Re:

Surprise of the day for me was DEN over DAL. Yes, the Bronco D is good, but I didn't see them winning let alone like that.
SEA eked one out, but they need help.
Brady is too old! :lol:

Watched the 49ers game. Both teams were having an off day with the offense. Couldn't catch the ball. Not surprisingly the 49ers tired in the fourth quarter. Hyde had a good game but the 49ers couldn't capitalize and Hoyer was pretty ordinary. One good drive by Wilson and Seattle did enough to win.

While DEN vs DAL was a hard game to predict, I was not too surprised at the outcome. Not surprised by Siemian. But I was surprised at Zeke Elliott's lack of production. DAL opponents should take notice of the DEN recipe to limit Zeke and put the game on Dak's shoulders, not that it's all Dak's fault with Dez relatively ineffective & Whitten dropping one near/in the endzone.

You nailed it on that 9er/SEA summary. Crummy game of the week IMO. The runner-up crummy GOTW was last night's MNF game of NYG vs DET. At least the MNF game was enjoyable to watch Stafford do his thing, which was light-years better than Wilson's performance for SEA, and watch Eli suffer behind what might be a worse OL than Seattle's.

As for Wilson, he was off most of the day, either air-mailing or bounce-passing the ball etc. Forget the dropped passes a sec, he was just mostly ugly. A joke going round is he must have fought with Ciarra the night before.

OFC for SEA the other joke is that OL, whom OL coach Cable said is a group he is "most excited about". The SEA front office has to give him more to work with, by shedding some salary on defense next off-season. But these are guys he wanted, so part of the problem starts with Cable. And because of that, Cable may be on his way out at season's end.
---
Everyone giving KC QB Alex Smith's performance to date love. I said before he was helping Mahomes learn, but looks like the presence of Mahomes is pushing Alex too - kind of a symbiotic relationship. Anyone doubt that Smith worked with extra effort in the off-season on those long balls?

Ryan Leaf is back! In the broadcast booth anyway. Believe it will be college games. Props to him for putting his life back in order.

 

[movingtarget]

Re: Re:

Surprise of the day for me was DEN over DAL. Yes, the Bronco D is good, but I didn't see them winning let alone like that.
SEA eked one out, but they need help.
Brady is too old! :lol:

Watched the 49ers game. Both teams were having an off day with the offense. Couldn't catch the ball. Not surprisingly the 49ers tired in the fourth quarter. Hyde had a good game but the 49ers couldn't capitalize and Hoyer was pretty ordinary. One good drive by Wilson and Seattle did enough to win.

While DEN vs DAL was a hard game to predict, I was not too surprised at the outcome. Not surprised by Siemian. But I was surprised at Zeke Elliott's lack of production. DAL opponents should take notice of the DEN recipe to limit Zeke and put the game on Dak's shoulders, not that it's all Dak's fault with Dez relatively ineffective & Whitten dropping one near/in the endzone.

You nailed it on that 9er/SEA summary. Crummy game of the week IMO. The runner-up crummy GOTW was last night's MNF game of NYG vs DET. At least the MNF game was enjoyable to watch Stafford do his thing, which was light-years better than Wilson's performance for SEA, and watch Eli suffer behind what might be a worse OL than Seattle's.

As for Wilson, he was off most of the day, either air-mailing or bounce-passing the ball etc. Forget the dropped passes a sec, he was just mostly ugly. A joke going round is he must have fought with Ciarra the night before.

OFC for SEA the other joke is that OL, whom OL coach Cable said is a group he is "most excited about". The SEA front office has to give him more to work with, by shedding some salary on defense next off-season. But these are guys he wanted, so part of the problem starts with Cable. And because of that, Cable may be on his way out at season's end.
---
Everyone giving KC QB Alex Smith's performance to date love. I said before he was helping Mahomes learn, but looks like the presence of Mahomes is pushing Alex too - kind of a symbiotic relationship. Anyone doubt that Smith worked with extra effort in the off-season on those long balls?

Ryan Leaf is back! In the broadcast booth anyway. Believe it will be college games. Props to him for putting his life back in order.

Considering that the Panthers O Line outplayed the 49er's totally last week and the 49ers O Line didn't look any worse than Seattle's sometimes better just shows how much ground Seattle has to make up in that department. Seattle had a much better pass rush which was where some of Hoyer's problems were coming from but he and Wilson were bad and not helped by the fact that their good throws were being dropped ! At the post match interview Pete seemed just happy to get the win !

Yeah saw Ryan Leaf on the Colin Cowherd show as well, I think he is now a regular guest.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Awesome to have Leaf on Cowherd periodically.

Did you also see the Jake Olson interview? Perhaps the best interview Cowherd has ever done. For those who do not know, Jake Olson is a blind Long Snapper, plays for USC. Lost his eyes to cancer around age 12 when Pete Carroll (then the USC HC) & players took him under their wing. Quite a story.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

....two words....Cooper....Rush.....

Cheers

Wow. You called it. Just watched the rerun vs Raiders.

....yeah ....Dallas just may have hit pay-dirt again eh....he really seems to have adapted to the NFL speed and looks right on top of it ( which I think is what does in a lot of the great metrics but really can't play guys....that speed transition from college...)....

...btw if interested in this idea of how appropriate temporal abilities for specific tasks is the secret behind the superstars you may want to look up a book called The Sweet Spot in Time.....

The book arrived last week and got through intro and chapter 1. So far, as Spock would say, "fascinating" discussion of harnessing fulcrums, levers, arcs, and time, etc. Might be the best $2 paperback I ever bought.

 

[movingtarget]

Awesome to have Leaf on Cowherd periodically.

Did you also see the Jake Olson interview? Perhaps the best interview Cowherd has ever done. For those who do not know, Jake Olson is a blind Long Snapper, plays for USC. Lost his eyes to cancer around age 12 when Pete Carroll (then the USC HC) & players took him under their wing. Quite a story.

No but I read an article about him in the NY Times. Some story.

 

[movingtarget]

Playing Football Before The Age of 12

http://p.nytimes.com/email/re?location=pMJKdIFVI6pghfX2HXfSzxRpdoyDWYNWFGYNwyo+qOLt9xLzEX4N5Rnm+xhYZ01eAqZ3WbR2L8salHjapmoH1XOQeMDrEj7zAbNFEHcTNcYjMTIRW8nAW8xWIPOYU0HYqmxpH5U8Wo0ofumKVUbCXHQ7OHafrVeC6eJKhMoh6b8=&campaign_id=129&instance_id=103549&segment_id=113574&user_id=12d98412e3bcc0522f6cfbf4c21c54e6&regi_id=42685115

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Good read. Results seem to be based on good sampling of players who started and played to different levels (HS, NCAA, NFL). Wonder how long before age limits on tackling at youth programs will be appropriately revised across the country? And at what age? If there is good consensus in the medical community, I'd prefer a change sooner than later.

 

[Archibald]

Re: Re:

Surprise of the day for me was DEN over DAL. Yes, the Bronco D is good, but I didn't see them winning let alone like that.
SEA eked one out, but they need help.
Brady is too old! :lol:

Watched the 49ers game. Both teams were having an off day with the offense. Couldn't catch the ball. Not surprisingly the 49ers tired in the fourth quarter. Hyde had a good game but the 49ers couldn't capitalize and Hoyer was pretty ordinary. One good drive by Wilson and Seattle did enough to win.

While DEN vs DAL was a hard game to predict, I was not too surprised at the outcome. Not surprised by Siemian. But I was surprised at Zeke Elliott's lack of production. DAL opponents should take notice of the DEN recipe to limit Zeke and put the game on Dak's shoulders, not that it's all Dak's fault with Dez relatively ineffective & Whitten dropping one near/in the endzone.

You nailed it on that 9er/SEA summary. Crummy game of the week IMO. The runner-up crummy GOTW was last night's MNF game of NYG vs DET. At least the MNF game was enjoyable to watch Stafford do his thing, which was light-years better than Wilson's performance for SEA, and watch Eli suffer behind what might be a worse OL than Seattle's.

As for Wilson, he was off most of the day, either air-mailing or bounce-passing the ball etc. Forget the dropped passes a sec, he was just mostly ugly. A joke going round is he must have fought with Ciarra the night before.

OFC for SEA the other joke is that OL, whom OL coach Cable said is a group he is "most excited about". The SEA front office has to give him more to work with, by shedding some salary on defense next off-season. But these are guys he wanted, so part of the problem starts with Cable. And because of that, Cable may be on his way out at season's end.
---
Everyone giving KC QB Alex Smith's performance to date love. I said before he was helping Mahomes learn, but looks like the presence of Mahomes is pushing Alex too - kind of a symbiotic relationship. Anyone doubt that Smith worked with extra effort in the off-season on those long balls?

Ryan Leaf is back! In the broadcast booth anyway. Believe it will be college games. Props to him for putting his life back in order.

Considering that the Panthers O Line outplayed the 49er's totally last week and the 49ers O Line didn't look any worse than Seattle's sometimes better just shows how much ground Seattle has to make up in that department. Seattle had a much better pass rush which was where some of Hoyer's problems were coming from but he and Wilson were bad and not helped by the fact that their good throws were being dropped ! At the post match interview Pete seemed just happy to get the win !

Yeah saw Ryan Leaf on the Colin Cowherd show as well, I think he is now a regular guest.

Doesn't sound good for Seattle. Perhaps McVay could put the Rams above them in the NFC West?
Admittedly, it is pretty early to call after only 2 games, and will be interesting to see the Rams/49ers up next...

 

[Catwhoorg]

NY Times is reporting that Aaron Hernandez was found to have severe CTE.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/sports/aaron-hernandez-cte-brain.html

 

[Merckx index]

Re:

NY Times is reporting that Aaron Hernandez was found to have severe CTE.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/sports/aaron-hernandez-cte-brain.html

This is really bad news for the NFL. Hernandez was in his early 20s when he committed those murders, 27 when he took his own life, yet it's reported he was at Stage 3, much more typical of someone decades older.

His daughter has already filed a lawsuit against the NFL, and I imagine the families of Hernandez' murder victims, or alleged murder victims, will do the same. This really opens up a can of worms. It's bad enough when the game is associated with a degenerative disease that results in cognitive impairment and early death, but if some of the victims are also dangerous to others, the consequences go much further.

On this subject, here's an article by a brain scientist who argues that we really don't know that the incidence of CTE is higher in men who have played football. He makes one good point: the study that found CTE in 110/111 former NFL players looked only at players who had symptoms of the disease, so it was an obviously biassed sample. But someone else pointed out that that the 110 cases is already a higher fraction of all fomer NFL players than the incidence of CTE in the general population.

https://sports.yahoo.com/im-brain-scientist-let-son-play-football-135727314.html

Also, a recent study reported that the players who engaged in tackle football prior to age twelve were more likely to have behavioral problems later in life:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/sports/football/tackle-football-brain-youth.html

I think at the least you can make a strong argument that hard hits should be avoided at a young age when the brain is still developing.

 

[blutto]

Re: Re:

NY Times is reporting that Aaron Hernandez was found to have severe CTE.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/sports/aaron-hernandez-cte-brain.html

This is really bad news for the NFL. Hernandez was in his early 20s when he committed those murders, 27 when he took his own life, yet it's reported he was at Stage 3, much more typical of someone decades older.

His daughter has already filed a lawsuit against the NFL, and I imagine the families of Hernandez' murder victims, or alleged murder victims, will do the same. This really opens up a can of worms. It's bad enough when the game is associated with a degenerative disease that results in cognitive impairment and early death, but if some of the victims are also dangerous to others, the consequences go much further.

....yeah just saw that on ESPN...this could become an extremely huge can....

Cheers

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Oh wow yeah Breaking News hu?

I like how people like to chime in on a subject with an alter motive.

the NYT fishwrap just want to do what all liberals would like to do. Get rid of American football.

Of course CTE is real and troubling but that does not mean someone can not make their own choices for sport.

 

[jmdirt]

Re: Re:

NY Times is reporting that Aaron Hernandez was found to have severe CTE.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/sports/aaron-hernandez-cte-brain.html

This is really bad news for the NFL. Hernandez was in his early 20s when he committed those murders, 27 when he took his own life, yet it's reported he was at Stage 3, much more typical of someone decades older.

His daughter has already filed a lawsuit against the NFL, and I imagine the families of Hernandez' murder victims, or alleged murder victims, will do the same. This really opens up a can of worms. It's bad enough when the game is associated with a degenerative disease that results in cognitive impairment and early death, but if some of the victims are also dangerous to others, the consequences go much further.

On this subject, here's an article by a brain scientist who argues that we really don't know that the incidence of CTE is higher in men who have played football. He makes one good point: the study that found CTE in 110/111 former NFL players looked only at players who had symptoms of the disease, so it was an obviously biassed sample. But someone else pointed out that that the 110 cases is already a higher fraction of all fomer NFL players than the incidence of CTE in the general population.

https://sports.yahoo.com/im-brain-scientist-let-son-play-football-135727314.html

Also, a recent study reported that the players who engaged in tackle football prior to age twelve were more likely to have behavioral problems later in life:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/sports/football/tackle-football-brain-youth.html

I think at the least you can make a strong argument that hard hits should be avoided at a young age when the brain is still developing.

There are several TBI docs who have made the same point...we don't know how many people who didn't play in the NFL have CTE. I/we might have CTE. Maybe AH's CTE was from HS and/or college? Do three huge hits = 100 small impacts? There are still more questions than answers.

His daughter is about what five so she isn't suing anyone, attorneys are looking for a big payday. They will have a tough time proving "her" case.

Flag football until 15 is smart idea, and will likely lead to players with more skill.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re: Re:

NY Times is reporting that Aaron Hernandez was found to have severe CTE.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/sports/aaron-hernandez-cte-brain.html

This is really bad news for the NFL. Hernandez was in his early 20s when he committed those murders, 27 when he took his own life, yet it's reported he was at Stage 3, much more typical of someone decades older.

His daughter has already filed a lawsuit against the NFL, and I imagine the families of Hernandez' murder victims, or alleged murder victims, will do the same. This really opens up a can of worms. It's bad enough when the game is associated with a degenerative disease that results in cognitive impairment and early death, but if some of the victims are also dangerous to others, the consequences go much further.

On this subject, here's an article by a brain scientist who argues that we really don't know that the incidence of CTE is higher in men who have played football. He makes one good point: the study that found CTE in 110/111 former NFL players looked only at players who had symptoms of the disease, so it was an obviously biassed sample. But someone else pointed out that that the 110 cases is already a higher fraction of all fomer NFL players than the incidence of CTE in the general population.

https://sports.yahoo.com/im-brain-scientist-let-son-play-football-135727314.html

Also, a recent study reported that the players who engaged in tackle football prior to age twelve were more likely to have behavioral problems later in life:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/sports/football/tackle-football-brain-youth.html

I think at the least you can make a strong argument that hard hits should be avoided at a young age when the brain is still developing.

There are several TBI docs who have made the same point...we don't know how many people who didn't play in the NFL have CTE. I/we might have CTE. Maybe AH's CTE was from HS and/or college? Do three huge hits = 100 small impacts? There are still more questions than answers.

His daughter is about what five so she isn't suing anyone, attorneys are looking for a big payday. They will have a tough time proving "her" case.

Flag football until 15 is smart idea, and will likely lead to players with more skill.

I forgot to point that out last night. I thought the same thing. The way they write it up is that the daughter is out there filling a lawsuit. Heard the term "are you as smart as a 5th grader" but never a 5 year old. Kid must be a mensa.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Re:

Oh wow yeah Breaking News hu?

I like how people like to chime in on a subject with an alter motive.

the NYT fishwrap just want to do what all liberals would like to do. Get rid of American football.

Of course CTE is real and troubling but that does not mean someone can not make their own choices for sport.

Not all liberals think alike, though.

I'm as socially liberal as they get, but am having a bit of an issue with these SJWs and millenials who are constantly being "triggered" by something nowadays. (My older, middle-aged bro and I were actually discussing this recently.)

There is definitely a well-known risk to the brain known by now in sports such as American football and boxing, so parents should be making some very well thought-out decisions when it comes to their kids. Once you're an adult though, anything goes because you are then responsible for yourself.

 

[movingtarget]

Re: Re:

NY Times is reporting that Aaron Hernandez was found to have severe CTE.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/sports/aaron-hernandez-cte-brain.html

This is really bad news for the NFL. Hernandez was in his early 20s when he committed those murders, 27 when he took his own life, yet it's reported he was at Stage 3, much more typical of someone decades older.

His daughter has already filed a lawsuit against the NFL, and I imagine the families of Hernandez' murder victims, or alleged murder victims, will do the same. This really opens up a can of worms. It's bad enough when the game is associated with a degenerative disease that results in cognitive impairment and early death, but if some of the victims are also dangerous to others, the consequences go much further.

On this subject, here's an article by a brain scientist who argues that we really don't know that the incidence of CTE is higher in men who have played football. He makes one good point: the study that found CTE in 110/111 former NFL players looked only at players who had symptoms of the disease, so it was an obviously biassed sample. But someone else pointed out that that the 110 cases is already a higher fraction of all fomer NFL players than the incidence of CTE in the general population.

https://sports.yahoo.com/im-brain-scientist-let-son-play-football-135727314.html

Also, a recent study reported that the players who engaged in tackle football prior to age twelve were more likely to have behavioral problems later in life:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/sports/football/tackle-football-brain-youth.html

I think at the least you can make a strong argument that hard hits should be avoided at a young age when the brain is still developing.

There are several TBI docs who have made the same point...we don't know how many people who didn't play in the NFL have CTE. I/we might have CTE. Maybe AH's CTE was from HS and/or college? Do three huge hits = 100 small impacts? There are still more questions than answers.

His daughter is about what five so she isn't suing anyone, attorneys are looking for a big payday. They will have a tough time proving "her" case.

Flag football until 15 is smart idea, and will likely lead to players with more skill.

The problem with Hernandez, can you categorically say that it was the CTE that made him to do what he he did and make the decisions he made ? He was running with a rough crew from his college days and maybe before. If he was older and never had a criminal history before as seen in other cases of erratic behavior with players after they retire it would be more compelling to explain away his decisions as mental issues based on the state of his brain alone.

 

[movingtarget]

49ers Rams game was entertaining. Horrible start to the game by Hoyer but he had a good second half. Goff seems to be moving in the right direction. Donald had a huge game for the Rams and Hyde was also good for the 49ers. 49ers defense seemed to be tired after the short turnaround re the Seattle game.

 

[jmdirt]

Re: Re:

NY Times is reporting that Aaron Hernandez was found to have severe CTE.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/sports/aaron-hernandez-cte-brain.html

This is really bad news for the NFL. Hernandez was in his early 20s when he committed those murders, 27 when he took his own life, yet it's reported he was at Stage 3, much more typical of someone decades older.

His daughter has already filed a lawsuit against the NFL, and I imagine the families of Hernandez' murder victims, or alleged murder victims, will do the same. This really opens up a can of worms. It's bad enough when the game is associated with a degenerative disease that results in cognitive impairment and early death, but if some of the victims are also dangerous to others, the consequences go much further.

On this subject, here's an article by a brain scientist who argues that we really don't know that the incidence of CTE is higher in men who have played football. He makes one good point: the study that found CTE in 110/111 former NFL players looked only at players who had symptoms of the disease, so it was an obviously biassed sample. But someone else pointed out that that the 110 cases is already a higher fraction of all fomer NFL players than the incidence of CTE in the general population.

https://sports.yahoo.com/im-brain-scientist-let-son-play-football-135727314.html

Also, a recent study reported that the players who engaged in tackle football prior to age twelve were more likely to have behavioral problems later in life:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/sports/football/tackle-football-brain-youth.html

I think at the least you can make a strong argument that hard hits should be avoided at a young age when the brain is still developing.

There are several TBI docs who have made the same point...we don't know how many people who didn't play in the NFL have CTE. I/we might have CTE. Maybe AH's CTE was from HS and/or college? Do three huge hits = 100 small impacts? There are still more questions than answers.

His daughter is about what five so she isn't suing anyone, attorneys are looking for a big payday. They will have a tough time proving "her" case.

Flag football until 15 is smart idea, and will likely lead to players with more skill.

The problem with Hernandez, can you categorically say that it was the CTE that made him to do what he he did and make the decisions he made ? He was running with a rough crew from his college days and maybe before. If he was older and never had a criminal history before as seen in other cases of erratic behavior with players after they retire it would be more compelling to explain away his decisions as mental issues based on the state of his brain alone.

In AH's case I would actually argue that CTE from college or NFL had nothing to do with his gangster mentality. So if they want to connect CTE to his behavior they will have to prove that his CTE started in HS or earlier.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

The Jack Wagon is losing me:
https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/911391761070731264

Agree with Roger:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nds-to-donald-trumps-comments-on-nfl-protests

 

[jmdirt]

The Jack Wagon is losing me:
https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/911391761070731264

Agree with Roger:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nds-to-donald-trumps-comments-on-nfl-protests

I typed this sometime in the last month: I have no problem with anyone kneeling or sitting for the National Anthem. I have considerable respect for those who have been directly affected by what they are protesting, but I also respect those who want to use their position to protest for others.

Michael Bennett has every right to be pissed about what happened to him, and he has a platform to make his point. I haven't read every reason for players who are kneeling, but maybe they or their families have been treated unjustly. Maybe they are using their visibility to "speak" for their greater community.