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[SHAD0W93]

And just like that the Bucs are 3-5. Ravens overpowered the defense as the game went on while the Bucs only looked good on drives. 2 when the play action was working from the run and the two minute drive. After the Bucs run game was stopped, the offense started going nowhere while Ravens got hotter and hotter. On the Bucs play calling, the 2 point conversion attempt Godwin had the open lane and leverage to score with a good pass but they ran it, which I think puts an exclamation mark on their play calling. They keep trying to establish the run and it keeps failing. All 5 Raven rushers had more yards than the Bucs leading rusher. They have a week and half off to figure it out and get their heads in the game since everyone has been bad from coaches down.

 

[movingtarget]

Yeah the Bucs defense dropped off in the second half. Once the Ravens offense know they can make easy yards its like an avalanche. Everyone is running !

 

[Oldermanish]

When Marshawn said you have to go through his people to talk with him was very telling on who he is as a person and thinks of himself. You don’t have to be friends with everyone on the team or even like them but you’re the leader or one of on the team. Isolating yourself doesn’t make it easier for you, it will just make people irritated with you more. Brady and Peyton give their number to everyone on the team and they’re bigger than you, you can be out there more. Why would anyone give it their all or respect you. I wonder if him cutting everyone off happened because of the ex-wife rumors with Golden Tate.

We also had the let Russell cook, but every time he’d start as a MVP candidate and fizzle out.

He started talking of NFL team management aspirations way too early. He no doubt saw the opportunities offered to some of his peers and had ambitions ahead of his career schedule. That might be OK as a personal motivation but to talk to your future career publicly while your team is mid season is just poor strategy. Then being on Red Carpets and fashion shoots with Ciara adds a dose of celebrity the rather chill fans and teammates in Seattle thought a bit much. At least I did. Do that once you're retired and keep the focus on sharing the spotlight if you want 110% from the other guys on the field.
There are several NFL endorsement whores that are too young to be appreciating that level of income. Anyone here could name a QB that can't keep a job.....

 

[movingtarget]

1. Tom Brady missed some layups on Thursday. Brady’s nightmare season rolled along Thursday. Had you not watched a single play of the game and merely looked at his stat line (26 of 44 passing, 325 yards, TD) you might assume the Bucs killed themselves with penalties and turnovers. But they really didn’t. And this game, of course, was not all about Brady’s execution. But his propensity for missing layup throws is almost stunning. You watch something look so automatic for so long, and it just becomes bizarre. There was the overthrow to a wide-open Mike Evans in the end zone early in the game. Throwing the ball into the turf in the third quarter, a solid four yards in front of his target. Then there were back-to-back plays in the fourth quarter: an overthrow to Kyle Rudolph in the end zone followed immediately by a misfire to Evans (whom Brady wanted to do something else on the route, apparently) on the goal line. Prior to the Bucs’ final TD drive, Brady was 1 for 5 on red-zone throws. And now he’s amid his first three-game losing streak since 2002. A long year getting longer.
2. Tough night for injuries for both teams. If you’ve followed either the Bucs or Ravens this season, or both perhaps, you’re well aware that neither team has had much luck in the injury department. Really, since before the season. Well, Thursday only made things worse. The Bucs lost Bucs OLB Shaquil Barrett to an Achilles injury, and the speed with which he was ruled out made it all the more concerning. The Ravens had it worse during the game. WR Rashod Bateman (foot) and TE Mark Andrews (shoulder) were both ruled out, and RB Gus Edwards (hamstring) never came back in after leaving the field in the fourth quarter. The Ravens somehow got better after the slew of injuries, but the Bucs certainly did not after losing Barrett.

 

[Nomad]

Great posts, agree completely. I think Chris saying "shut up and play" is so true. The history of the NFL is a long, long, LONG list of guys who have played hurt, and drawn zero attention to themselves.

Yeah...these high-priced crybabies should be playing hurt. That's what pain meds are for if they can't deal with the pain (some of them are on PEDs & other substances anyway. Lol). If the injury is serious enough for surgery that's one exception. But these strains & sprains and sore joints is completely ridiculous. These guys are modern day gladiators - the owners are the patricians & we're the blood thirsty fans in a sense. Sure, the game is dangerous but so is MMA & hockey. And these guys are paid ZILLIONS of dollars to perform on Sundays and if that includes getting hurt - then too bad (go do something else and see if you can make this much money. Lol).

And the game has even be toned down for them - rule changes have softened the game and demonized hard hits. It wasn't like this years ago when linebackers, defensive lineman & safetys were meanest SOBs in town & literally tried to put guys out the game with explosive hits (when I played our coaches use to call it "putting the wood on the guy." Guys like Lambert, Mean Joe Green, Atwater, LT, Romanowski, etc - when these guys hit you...you paid the price.

But the game is so wimpy now it's getting boring to watch. And these golden boy QBs overly protected is ridiculous. Part of the game use to be for a big bad DT/DE - when hitting the QB was to drive all his weight on him smashing him to the ground. You let him know you mean business & he's going pay the price for getting hit. And as the QBs took more of these hits during the game, it wears them out sooner & they become less effective as the game progresses. But now a flag can be thrown for aggressively hitting the QB. Lol. They might as well just attach flags to the QBs & play "flag football" with them. And you can't hit to the head area anymore - how ridiculous. No wonder receivers are no longer frighten to catch the ball over the middle anymore when they don't have to worry about their head being taken off by a LB or Safety.

It's a watered-down wimpy game with these QBs being cuddled like little kids. Boring as heck.

 

[SHAD0W93]

The over throw to Evans was the biggest concern despite they scored. That’s something that has been a 100% throwing and touch wise and he had too much. The skips he’s down previously when he’s felt like he has no time. Maybe the whole team needs to go with Aaron to South America. The red zone offense has been crap all year and have had 3 two point conversions that weren’t even close. Take out the 3 points they gave the Ravens and they’ve had 3 tries to tie a game and not even close when the 2 point is supposed to be one of your best plays. But I don’t see them beating the Rams if they play like this which means theuvnrrr to get their crap in gear or someone else is winning the division.

 

[Oldermanish]

Yeah...these high-priced crybabies should be playing hurt. That's what pain meds are for if they can't deal with the pain (some of them are on PEDs & other substances anyway. Lol). If the injury is serious enough for surgery that's one exception. But these strains & sprains and sore joints is completely ridiculous. These guys are modern day gladiators - the owners are the patricians & we're the blood thirsty fans in a sense. Sure, the game is dangerous but so is MMA & hockey. And these guys are paid ZILLIONS of dollars to perform on Sundays and if that includes getting hurt - then too bad (go do something else and see if you can make this much money. Lol).

And the game has even be toned down for them - rule changes have softened the game and demonized hard hits. It wasn't like this years ago when linebackers, defensive lineman & safetys were meanest SOBs in town & literally tried to put guys out the game with explosive hits (when I played our coaches use to call it "putting the wood on the guy." Guys like Lambert, Mean Joe Green, Atwater, LT, Romanowski, etc - when these guys hit you...you paid the price.

But the game is so wimpy now it's getting boring to watch. And these golden boy QBs overly protected is ridiculous. Part of the game use to be for a big bad DT/DE - when hitting the QB was to drive all his weight on him smashing him to the ground. You let him know you mean business & he's going pay the price for getting hit. And as the QBs took more of these hits during the game, it wears them out sooner & they become less effective as the game progresses. But now a flag can be thrown for aggressively hitting the QB. Lol. They might as well just attach flags to the QBs & play "flag football" with them. And you can't hit to the head area anymore - how ridiculous. No wonder receivers are no longer frighten to catch the ball over the middle anymore when they don't have to worry about their head being taken off by a LB or Safety.

It's a watered-down wimpy game with these QBs being cuddled like little kids. Boring as heck.

While some of the calls are pointlessly cautious much of the protection protocols, particularly for the head are totally correct. Junior Seau took his own life to alleviate the suffering from head trauma and he's hardly the only casualty. As for PEDS, some of the most feared Raider defensive players died very young: Matuszak died at 38 from painkillers, Lyle Alzado at 42 from brain cancer he directly attributed to PED use and hard play. Those are barbaric outcomes from that era that should be avoided at all costs IMO.

At the same time I replay Kam Chancellor's definitive statement hit on Demaryius Thomas in the Superbowl. It was clean and Thomas wasn't hurt physically as much as emotionally. Every other Bronco receiver felt it. That's fair.

 

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[movingtarget]

https://www.nfl.com/news/eagles-de-robert-quinn-mutually-agree-to-cut-off-final-two-years-of-contract

 

[jmdirt]

https://www.nfl.com/news/eagles-de-robert-quinn-mutually-agree-to-cut-off-final-two-years-of-contract

Is that because he wants to renegotiate?

 

[movingtarget]

Is that because he wants to renegotiate?

Quinn had two non-guaranteed years left on his deal with Chicago, counting for $14 million and $13 million against the salary cap, respectively.

Sounds like a possible renegotiation.

 

[Nomad]

While some of the calls are pointlessly cautious much of the protection protocols, particularly for the head are totally correct. Junior Seau took his own life to alleviate the suffering from head trauma and he's hardly the only casualty. As for PEDS, some of the most feared Raider defensive players died very young: Matuszak died at 38 from painkillers, Lyle Alzado at 42 from brain cancer he directly attributed to PED use and hard play. Those are barbaric outcomes from that era that should be avoided at all costs IMO.

The new "protection protocols" have coddled the game - especially for the QBs. Love taps where the QB benevolently falls down are being called as "roughing" Lol. As I said before, they might as well just put flags on the QBs & play flag football with them out there.

The gridiron is a battlefield & there will be casualties. And the injuries - including concussions - are occupational hazards. No one is forcing these guys to play football. Many of them forego their senior season in college to declare for the draft & eagerly start playing making the big bucks. And the signing bonuses for the top picks is ridiculous - millions $$$ for never having to step one foot on the field. Lol. And I'm supposed to feel sorry or have concern for these guys if they get hurt or get their bell rung now & then?

As for PEDs & substance abuse - you know it runs rampant in the NFL. How do you think some of these guys have gotten so massive & fast? And PED use seems to be tolerated & accepted by the fans - Hopkins was embraced & not booed when he returned to field after his 6 game PED suspension. This is a big contrast compared to other sports like cycling where if a rider is convicted of a doping offense serving a ban, he's roasted by the cycling community & not welcomed back with open arms. Lol

And the league is not using opioid-based pain meds for the most part - the medication of choice is Toradol (ketorolac), which is a potent NSAID (for example, Tebow's injured throwing shoulder was injected pregame with Toradol during his entire senior season at Florida).

And back to concussions, Favre estimates he sustained "thousands" during his 20 yr career. IDK about that - he sure looks damn good & seems fine for a 53 yr old in those Copper Fit commercials with Jerry Rice.

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[jmdirt]

Quinn had two non-guaranteed years left on his deal with Chicago, counting for $14 million and $13 million against the salary cap, respectively.

Sounds like a possible renegotiation.

It seems like a gamble, but why not gamble on yourself, right? $27 MIL locked in. Have a great season, negotiate for $40 or $50 MIL, have and average or below season and $15 or $20 MIL might be tough to get.

 

[Oldermanish]

The new "protection protocols" have coddled the game - especially for the QBs. Love taps where the QB benevolently falls down are being called as "roughing" Lol. As I said before, they might as well just put flags on the QBs & play flag football with them out there.

The gridiron is a battlefield & there will be casualties. And the injuries - including concussions - are occupational hazards. No one is forcing these guys to play football. Many of them forego their senior season in college to declare for the draft & eagerly start playing making the big bucks. And the signing bonuses for the top picks is ridiculous - millions $$$ for never having to step one foot on the field. Lol. And I'm supposed to feel sorry or have concern for these guys if they get hurt or get their bell rung now & then?

As for PEDs & substance abuse - you know it runs rampant in the NFL. How do you think some of these guys have gotten so massive & fast? And PED use seems to be tolerated & accepted by the fans - Hopkins was embraced & not booed when he returned to field after his 6 game PED suspension. This is a big contrast compared to other sports like cycling where if a rider is convicted of a doping offense serving a ban, he's roasted by the cycling community & not welcomed back with open arms. Lol

And the league is not using opioid-based pain meds for the most part - the medication of choice is Toradol (ketorolac), which is a potent NSAID (for example, Tebow's injured throwing shoulder was injected pregame with Toradol during his entire senior season at Florida).

And back to concussions, Favre estimates he sustained "thousands" during his 20 yr career. IDK about that - he sure looks damn good & seems fine for a 53 yr old in those Copper Fit commercials with Jerry Rice.

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You missed my point entirely on overly protective officiating.
As for the idea that concussions are acceptable as a product of being highly paid: the NFL has already ruled on that and you'll have to live with it. The fact that they were liable to the tune of $,$$$,$$$,$$$.$$ would suggest that even they know how careless it is to assume players just out of college know what the best path is for their health.
As for Brett Favre; he may look good to you but it's clear something's not quite right with the dude; however great he played.
As for the opoids....you missed that reference as the self-administered pain reliever for a chronic pain sufferer no longer playing the game. You also neglected to acknowledge Seau's suicide....is that an acceptable "retirement" for a HOF career just to satisfy your level of carnage?

 

[SHAD0W93]

Rough year so far and makes you wonder if the returning and Fox tv deal were in response to something that was always going to happen. Hopefully they’re able to remain cordial.

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I think a good summary of TB’s year though with the point of run the ball more, when they run the ball they actually need to get yards.

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[movingtarget]

It seems like TB had a grating relationship with Arians at times but I wonder if he now wishes Arians was still the coach ? Still the Bucs and Brady have had quite a few issues that not even the coach can control re personal issues and injuries plus retirements.

 

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[jmdirt]

I will start with the obvious disclaimer that one player can't really make or break a team, but not having Jensen at center totally changes the offense. Add in TB12s personal distractions, other injuries, no Gronk (or equiv. go to)...

 

[Nomad]

You missed my point entirely on overly protective officiating.
As for the idea that concussions are acceptable as a product of being highly paid: the NFL has already ruled on that and you'll have to live with it. The fact that they were liable to the tune of $,$$$,$$$,$$$.$$ would suggest that even they know how careless it is to assume players just out of college know what the best path is for their health.
As for Brett Favre; he may look good to you but it's clear something's not quite right with the dude; however great he played.
As for the opoids....you missed that reference as the self-administered pain reliever for a chronic pain sufferer no longer playing the game. You also neglected to acknowledge Seau's suicide....is that an acceptable "retirement" for a HOF career just to satisfy your level of carnage?

Concussions are a part of the game of football. Did you ever play football? My HS coach (state championship team my senior year) always told us football wasn't a contact sport but a "collision sport." Our DB coaches were always preaching to "hit em hard...hit em high." I had my bell rung a few times both in HS & college. At a buck 195, I was getting smashed by 270 lb defensive lineman in college. I knew the risks & I wasn't even getting paid. My dad played HS ball back when they didn't wear facemasks & he thought we were all wimps for wearing them in the era I played. Lol. As I said before, serious injuries including concussions are an occupational hazard of the game. Besides the NFL has the concussion protocol which is good thing. But hard hits above neck are part of the game - and have been part of the game for forever."

I have no idea what you're talking about with "something not quite right" with Favre. Go pull up the Copper Fit videos & see for yourself. Aikman has also said he sustained several concussions in his career with a couple of them severe. He's appears to be fine calling games for FOX & now MNF.

It was tragic with Seau - who interestingly was dishing out hits more than receiving them. Part of the wrongful death lawsuit against the NFL was that they're weren't taking concussions seriously & rushing players back. Well...the concussion protocol has rectified that. And maybe if a player accumulates two many concussions, the medical staff should not clear the player to ever play & force retirement.

Football is game of injuries - and a game of pain. It's a collision sport that isn't for everyone, but you wouldn't understand that if you never played.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Big win for the Broncos driving down the field to win! Maybe they can keep building on this.

I will start with the obvious disclaimer that one player can't really make or break a team, but not having Jensen at center totally changes the offense. Add in TB12s personal distractions, other injuries, no Gronk (or equiv. go to)...

If I could bring back one player it’d be Gronk if the backup center didn’t get injured to put them on their third (who was also injured for a bit), or Jensen. I think the line would be performing better with him there, helping the pass and the run. Bucs have been stuffed trying to run right up the middle behind the center on almost every run play.

It seems like TB had a grating relationship with Arians at times but I wonder if he now wishes Arians was still the coach ? Still the Bucs and Brady have had quite a few issues that not even the coach can control re personal issues and injuries plus retirements.

I wouldn’t think so considering the team was committing far more dumb penalties with Arians as the coach. Like Sharpe says, “you’re either coaching it or condoning it.” On top of the “it was so and so’s fault”, “oh wait I reviewed the footage and I was wrong.” He might miss Belichick though and as he says “good players can’t overcome bad coaching.” Not saying the coaches are the only ones doing bad, but they’re not helping with the play calling, penalties, or back up players not being ready. Whole team needs to get their crap together, starting with Brady. Maybe the divorce, while hard, will help take his mind off it as he knows it’s final for now.

 

[jmdirt]

SEA with another win!

 

[Oldermanish]

SEA with another win!

What a game for SEA! Defense is now looking like a seriously balanced effort. New York made adjustments at halftime and the Seahawks adapted and capitalized. NYG were no pushovers defensively, either. Geno stepped to the next level.

 

[Oldermanish]

Concussions are a part of the game of football. Did you ever play football? My HS coach (state championship team my senior year) always told us football wasn't a contact sport but a "collision sport." Our DB coaches were always preaching to "hit em hard...hit em high." I had my bell rung a few times both in HS & college. At a buck 195, I was getting smashed by 270 lb defensive lineman in college. I knew the risks & I wasn't even getting paid. My dad played HS ball back when they didn't wear facemasks & he thought we were all wimps for wearing them in the era I played. Lol. As I said before, serious injuries including concussions are an occupational hazard of the game. Besides the NFL has the concussion protocol which is good thing. But hard hits above neck are part of the game - and have been part of the game for forever."

I have no idea what you're talking about with "something not quite right" with Favre. Go pull up the Copper Fit videos & see for yourself. Aikman has also said he sustained several concussions in his career with a couple of them severe. He's appears to be fine calling games for FOX & now MNF.

It was tragic with Seau - who interestingly was dishing out hits more than receiving them. Part of the wrongful death lawsuit against the NFL was that they're weren't taking concussions seriously & rushing players back. Well...the concussion protocol has rectified that. And maybe if a player accumulates two many concussions, the medical staff should not clear the player to ever play & force retirement.

Football is game of injuries - and a game of pain. It's a collision sport that isn't for everyone, but you wouldn't understand that if you never played.

Yes, I played in the era where hitting was emphasized at 150 for WR and was a freshman wannabe. Our HS team was one of the best in the state. I got taken out by a teammate LB in no contact drill when he objected to being evaded...and took my arm about 90 degrees past the shoulder's stop point. End of that sport and the cross country team recruited me. That was either the worst or best opportunity in my life as it led me to running and cycling. No coach ever suggested concussions were to be part of the hitting process or glossed over in the recovery process.
Wait....you reference Brett's edited and directed commercials and FOX booth calls? Very low bar for lucidity confirmation. I'd refer to business decisions and public proclamations of innocence on behalf of his alma mater as a better indication of his reasoning ability.

Your response on concussions is closer to the real, scientific and legal approach the NFL knows it must pursue. More importantly, they should have been enforcing that well known medical information a long time ago. Your assertion that players accept multiple brain traumas as part of their compensation is hard to comprehend and respond to. It's a part of some glorified credo that stupid coaches and exploitive college and pro programs forced players to pursue to serve their program needs; not to create tougher men or players.

As for taking hits; I raced for 25 years on all levels. I've taken every kind of impact and broken every body part you can imagine and raced with injuries and won. I never competed with a hint of brain trauma because I needed my awareness to respond to your type of justifications allowing people to witness or participate in risky behavior just because they want to.
By the way; have you ever won a bike race above Cat 4? Cat 3? Cat 2? Pro ? When your response include multiples in each catagory you would have credentials to question the risk a pro takes, regardless of pay.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Big win and comeback for the dolphins. They’re continuing to put up big numbers and show they’re one of the best offenses.

Patriots with a good statement win and over the Jets to catch back up on the division.

Raiders can write their season over now with getting destroyed by the Saints. All they can do is hope to spoil the others.

Atlanta with a good win in overtime vs Panthers and now lead the division. For the Bucs it was probably best Falcons won though.

Eagles continue to be perfect.

Vikings grow their lead over the rest in the NFCN.

Niners continue to dominate the Rams in the regular season, I bet they wish they played like this last season and McCaffery shows to be a big pickup.

Bills with a big win over the Packers though the defense looked like it started falling apart. I think many would have thought Packers and Bucs would share the same record but no one would have thought it’d be 3-5.

If the Rams play like this against Bucs I honestly think Bucs can win. Only problem is they’ve won the last 3 times they played and Bucs don’t have that kind of run game.

 

[Oldermanish]

Did anyone notice the last Legion of Boom Alumni? Jones, Barcley and the Giants O line sure did. Glad to see Bruce plying his trade. Alot of Seahawks noticed it and rose to the occasion, too.