National Football League

Page 585 - Get up to date with the latest news, scores & standings from the Cycling News Community.
Aug 5, 2009
15,733
8,153
28,180
CMC dominated the Rams and to think that Deebo didn't even play. I don't see much improvement from the Rams since their slow start. Their O line is mediocre, they have no run game and Stafford had a poor second half. The 49ers limiting Kupp basically stifled the Rams offense in the second half. They will be hoping that Kupp's foot injury isn't too bad. and why was he even on the field with a few minutes to go ? The game was over as they needed three scores.. Vikings and Falcons are rolling along. The Raiders have been a major disappointment. GB look as bad as the Rams although their run game was much better this week. Eagles undefeated still.
 
I have to agree with these guys. It's a team game and injury assessments are gameday intelligence you don't share with the competition. If anything is said, it must be from the coaching staff to serve the team as well as the player. That said, the gross lack of regard displayed by the Dolphins to Tua when they work under this system of media contact only adds responsibility to not bullsh*t the player and the media to serve short term goals. Particularly in dangerous health situations.

Wilson's departure on the protocol and fan reaction is similar to what started happening to fans in Seattle during his last two years and IMO also led to a segmentation of team loyalty. He just added a dose of controlled narcissism to his current deal because the Bronco's gave him bigger guarantees and hero status prematurely. This kind of thing ends careers.
And if you need further validation on how that attitude crept into the Seahawks locker room several seasons ago, listen to Tyler Lockett's interview postgame after they defeated the Giants. It emphasized team....over getting credit.
 
Mar 11, 2009
10,526
3,578
28,180
Seahawks have come to play, every single week. Love the way they are playing as a team, with several young, unheralded players. Looks like they could get Tre Brown back this week, but Pete Carroll held back, saying there was no hurry, and I agree. That's a real luxury for a coach and team when everyone else is playing so well.

It's like right when the 49ers start to look lost, all they need to do is play the Rams, and all is right again. I had a hunch the Rams would have a bit of a let down, but I didn't expect them to get beat this bad. 3-4 with a -39 point differential.

Talk about point differential. It's +105 for the the 6-1 Bills!

Are the Vikings really as good as 6-1? They just seem to keep winning.

Are the Falcons for real? I mean, they're in first, solo, but they barely beat Carolina.

Impressive to see Cleveland, right when they looked like they were fading, to take out the Bengals, right when it looked like they were back on the rise. Burrow now 0-4 against the Browns.

Hard to believe that Derrick Henry has now rushed for over 200 yards four times...against the Texans alone!

Raiders have hit rock bottom. Absolute horrible, pathetic performance. Carr couldn't get them across the 50 yard line, all day. Throwing into triple coverage, missing receivers. Jarrett Stidham outperformed him.
 
Aug 13, 2011
7,887
12,051
23,180
Huge win for the Browns and absolute destruction of the Bengals!! Burrow looked lost without Chase and the oline couldn’t protect him. If Watson ever plays, they’d be a dangerous wild card team, if they make it. But I see multiple teams ahead of them that the wild cards would go to

Brady second in yards even with the mishaps and drops/falling down, if only the red zone had the same production. Double Evans and Godwin and with them being unable to run the ball they have no threat. Being up there in yards like last year reminds me of Manning’s career yards record breaking game against the Chiefs when he played terribly, threw multiple interceptions, and got benched. Just salt on the wound.


Eagles should go to 9-0 this Thursday.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jmdirt
Aug 5, 2009
15,733
8,153
28,180
Seahawks have come to play, every single week. Love the way they are playing as a team, with several young, unheralded players. Looks like they could get Tre Brown back this week, but Pete Carroll held back, saying there was no hurry, and I agree. That's a real luxury for a coach and team when everyone else is playing so well.

It's like right when the 49ers start to look lost, all they need to do is play the Rams, and all is right again. I had a hunch the Rams would have a bit of a let down, but I didn't expect them to get beat this bad. 3-4 with a -39 point differential.

Talk about point differential. It's +105 for the the 6-1 Bills!

Are the Vikings really as good as 6-1? They just seem to keep winning.

Are the Falcons for real? I mean, they're in first, solo, but they barely beat Carolina.

Impressive to see Cleveland, right when they looked like they were fading, to take out the Bengals, right when it looked like they were back on the rise. Burrow now 0-4 against the Browns.

Hard to believe that Derrick Henry has now rushed for over 200 yards four times...against the Texans alone!

Raiders have hit rock bottom. Absolute horrible, pathetic performance. Carr couldn't get them across the 50 yard line, all day. Throwing into triple coverage, missing receivers. Jarrett Stidham outperformed him.
Yep, I really expected the Raiders to improve this season with the addition of some good talents. Vikings looked stale under Zimmer, I think they have a good chance to make the playoffs. While I think the Bucs, GB and the Rams seasons are on the precipice especially because they are not improving much and most of their issues are on the offense and the Rams especially don't have an easy schedule. The big question in the NFC West is whether the Hawks can keep it going ? 49ers have the bye this week and are expecting a lot of players back from injury in a fortnight including Deebo, Mitchell, Verrett and possibly Armstead who they have missed badly.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jmdirt and SHAD0W93
Aug 5, 2009
15,733
8,153
28,180
Huge win for the Browns and absolute destruction of the Bengals!! Burrow looked lost without Chase and the oline couldn’t protect him. If Watson ever plays, they’d be a dangerous wild card team, if they make it. But I see multiple teams ahead of them that the wild cards would go to

Brady second in yards even with the mishaps and drops/falling down, if only the red zone had the same production. Double Evans and Godwin and with them being unable to run the ball they have no threat. Being up there in yards like last year reminds me of Manning’s career yards record breaking game against the Chiefs when he played terribly, threw multiple interceptions, and got benched. Just salt on the wound.


Eagles should go to 9-0 this Thursday.
Bengals were terrible in the first half. The Browns coach seemed to breathe a sigh of relief. They needed a win like that.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jmdirt and SHAD0W93
Aug 5, 2009
15,733
8,153
28,180
What are the Bears up to ? Getting rid of good defenders albeit veterans who are well paid to get receivers. Sounds like they might be drafting for defense and trying to make it easier for Fields with the new additions on offense.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nomad and jmdirt
Aug 5, 2009
15,733
8,153
28,180
Bizarre move by the 49ers to trade Jeff Wilson for a 5th round pick. He's been having his best year and injury free and looked good in tandem with CMC last week and they trade him for a 5th round pick to Miami ! I guess with an injury prone Mitchell to return they have their fingers crossed and wanted to get something for Wilson before he becomes a free agent next year but it sort of counteracts the move to get CMC and strengthening the RB squad. Doesn't really play into the win now philosophy which they are supposedly attempting.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jmdirt
Jan 22, 2010
4,757
5,843
21,180
Redskins officially looking for a new owner.
I have long suggested they just change the name to the Potomacs or Powtomaks or Patowomeck or however the name of the tribe is spelled.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SHAD0W93 and jmdirt
Aug 5, 2009
15,733
8,153
28,180
Actually Commanders sounds even worse than Football team..........sort of sums up Washington's woes with their owner.......
 
Jan 22, 2010
4,757
5,843
21,180
Actually Commanders sounds even worse than Football team..........sort of sums up Washington's woes with their owner.......

I wasn't very happy with it but almost everyone around here that I talk to eventually thought "Washington Football Team" was a good name, especially when compared to the Commanders.
I haven't spoken with anyone claiming to like Commanders as a name.
 
  • Like
Reactions: movingtarget
Apr 20, 2016
778
2,746
15,680
Yes, I played in the era where hitting was emphasized at 150 for WR and was a freshman wannabe. Our HS team was one of the best in the state. I got taken out by a teammate LB in no contact drill when he objected to being evaded...and took my arm about 90 degrees past the shoulder's stop point. End of that sport and the cross country team recruited me. That was either the worst or best opportunity in my life as it led me to running and cycling. No coach ever suggested concussions were to be part of the hitting process or glossed over in the recovery process.
Wait....you reference Brett's edited and directed commercials and FOX booth calls? Very low bar for lucidity confirmation. I'd refer to business decisions and public proclamations of innocence on behalf of his alma mater as a better indication of his reasoning ability.

Your response on concussions is closer to the real, scientific and legal approach the NFL knows it must pursue. More importantly, they should have been enforcing that well known medical information a long time ago. Your assertion that players accept multiple brain traumas as part of their compensation is hard to comprehend and respond to. It's a part of some glorified credo that stupid coaches and exploitive college and pro programs forced players to pursue to serve their program needs; not to create tougher men or players.

As for taking hits; I raced for 25 years on all levels. I've taken every kind of impact and broken every body part you can imagine and raced with injuries and won. I never competed with a hint of brain trauma because I needed my awareness to respond to your type of justifications allowing people to witness or participate in risky behavior just because they want to.
By the way; have you ever won a bike race above Cat 4? Cat 3? Cat 2? Pro ? When your response include multiples in each catagory you would have credentials to question the risk a pro takes, regardless of pay.
Sorry for your injury back in your freshman year of HS - it sounds like you really wanted to play. And no, I've never won a bike race because I've never raced bikes. After college, I did 10 yrs of competitive bodybuilding & powerlifting winning some regional titles. After that, I transitioned to triathlon buying my first tri-bike & training with a local triathlon group. Did that for 25 yrs or so & due to chronic injuries, I quit that & I'm back to pumping iron & recreational bike rides during the summer months with cycling friends.

Now I did have bad car accident in 2017 where I sustained several significant injuries including a severe concussion where I have a difficult time to this day with chronic joint/back pain & post-traumatic OA from the injuries. And at my age, it's not easy trying to work out every day with these problems. So, I don't have a lot of sympathy for these high-priced crybabies who miss games because of some lingering joint soreness or muscle inflammation. Lol.

And some players do accept multiple concussions as part of their compensation. Hasn't Tua been advised to retire because of concussions & other injuries? But no - he's one tough hombre & wants to play the game from the heart. When he sustained that devastating hip injury at Bama which should have been career ending, he said no & is now playing at top level in the league. More than I can say about some of these wimpy QBs that don't seem to what to play hurt.

You & I aren't going to see eye to eye on this, so it's pointless to continue the debate. You have some kind of soft heart for these multi-millionaire genetically-gifted specimens who play a dangerous sport that has considerable occupational hazards. As I said before, the gridiron is a battlefield where punishing the QB & making him pay the price was commonplace on Sundays. But not anymore - coddle & protect the these overrated QBs.
 
Last edited:
Apr 20, 2016
778
2,746
15,680
Raiders have hit rock bottom. Absolute horrible, pathetic performance. Carr couldn't get them across the 50 yard line, all day. Throwing into triple coverage, missing receivers. Jarrett Stidham outperformed him.
I see the Raiders have the 3rd worst O in the league right now. So, at 2-5 and if this losing continues the remainder of these season - what happens next? Does their overrated coach get booted? Perhaps Carr? Maybe both?

I see you didn't do a summary on that ugly Bronco- Jags game. What did I tell about that overrated QB - the next "Peyton Manning." Lol. He gets a golden opportunity to drive the team down the field & score the winning TD. He has plenty of time & couple of TOs. But what does he do - throws a pick to K'waun Williams who's basically playing with one arm which ends the game. So, he lets his team down & Jags can't even beat the hapless Broncos.


"Lawrence is not where he should be in Year Two as the first overall pick in the 2021 NFL draft. He makes too many big mistakes, including that interception by Williams and an earlier interception that he threw into heavy traffic in the end zone. His failure to develop is a big reason the Jaguars are 2-6."
 
Last edited:
Sorry for your injury back in your freshman year of HS - it sounds like you really wanted to play. And no, I've never won a bike race because I've never raced bikes. After college, I did 10 yrs of competitive bodybuilding & powerlifting winning some regional titles. After that, I transitioned to triathlon buying my first tri-bike & training with a local triathlon group. Did that for 25 yrs or so & due to chronic injuries, I quit that & I'm back to pumping iron & recreational bike rides during the summer months with cycling friends.

Now I did have bad car accident in 2017 where I sustained several significant injuries including a severe concussion where I have a difficult time to this day with chronic joint/back pain & post-traumatic OA from the injuries. And at my age, it's not easy trying to work out every day with these problems. So, I don't have a lot of sympathy for these high-priced crybabies who miss games because of some lingering joint soreness or muscle inflammation. Lol.

And some players do accept multiple concussions as part of their compensation. Hasn't Tua been advised to retire because of concussions & other injuries? But no - he's one tough hombre & wants to play the game from the heart. When he sustained that devastating hip injury at Bama which should have been career ending, he said no & is now playing at top level in the league. More than I can say about some of these wimpy QBs that don't seem to what to play hurt.

You & I aren't going to see eye to eye on this, so it's pointless to continue the debate. You have some kind of soft heart for these multi-millionaire genetically-gifted specimens who play a dangerous sport that has considerable occupational hazards. As I said before, the gridiron is a battlefield where punishing the QB & making him pay the price was commonplace on Sundays. But not anymore - coddle & protect the these overrated QBs.
You've made a cottage industry characterizing me and my attitudes on this and other subjects. Your assumptions are not trending to anything accurate so, maybe, because we agree on some things don't and bother to assume other things about what I've done or think. We can try to keep things to facts and things we know.

I'm genuinely empathetic about the trials of training with injuries and getting older. It takes me 30 minutes of stretching to get out of bed. No whining...we pursued activities and had life's accidents that make the next 10 years a little bit more of a problem but we chose to do those things and knew the risks.
This is a big HOWEVER; our choices have nothing to do with an institutionalized and extremely profitable monopoly pimping young, mature and walking wounded athletes into early graves. The NFL likely employs more forensic actuarial accountants than most countries to protect the interests of the brand and the extremely rich owners. They have risk/reward analysis of almost every outcome and IMO, the labor force is the most sacrificial/discardable expense on their ledgers. They only care when it costs them money and knowing they can compel the league to tweak and enforce on field and medical rules to spare some of their work force an early life of suicidal trauma is obvious. Don't defend them because the officials screw up your viewing satisfaction. Your opinion about the "overrated QBs" and the "battlefield" places the blame on some unidentified trend rather than the fact that the NFL has been successfully sued and now, finally now; needs to begin to protect the labor force. Owners that harass female employees are being forced to sell their franchise rights at obscene profits. It still leaves those billionaires butthurt when they can't continue to buy/sell everyone that works for them but, hey; the NFL will lose their Congressionally-graced monopoly that is now making additional Billion$$$ off of legalized gambling if they don't at least pretend to care. It's not about the game you think you saw as a kid, the game you imagined was the modern version of gladiators; it's a business. I'm not the simpering and empathetic problem.
 
Mar 11, 2009
10,526
3,578
28,180
I haven't spoken with anyone claiming to like Commanders as a name.
I thought Red Wolves was the best new alternate. Commanders is pretty bland. What makes it worse is that it's mostly a naval rank. But the Navy aren't red and orange. And there's no real brand or logo. How are fans supposed to dress up? As Navy officers?!
I see the Raiders have the 3rd worst O in the league right now.
One thing that was hilarious was how commentators going into the NO game were saying "the Raiders have the 3rd highest scoring offense in the NFL!" What a warped stat. It was barely true by just a couple points, with a stack of teams just behind them, ignoring all the teams that had been on a bye. Plus, how does that make a 2-4 team of any value? Since that 24-0 blowout loss, the Raiders are now have the 25th "best" scoring offense. What a joke.
So, at 2-5 and if this losing continues the remainder of these season - what happens next? Does their overrated coach get booted? Perhaps Carr? Maybe both?
An absolute no brainer on Carr. If the Raiders don't let him walk, they'll owe him $40m a year. I call Carr the anti-Plunkett. He's at his best when it matters least. Plunkett didn't have a great career statistically, but boy he came up big when it counted. There will be plenty of free agent QBs as good if not better than Carr, that will come cheaper next year. Some much cheaper. Or the could draft someone. As next year's draft class looks to have several potential pro level QBs, that would be the way I'd go.

As to McDaniels, I call him the anti-Flores, the opposite of Raider great Tom Flores, who took a slew of discarded players, and got them to play together as a team, and win championships, usually as underdogs. JMD seems to be turning the Raiders into the McPatriots of some sort. I can't say with certainty I'd fire him, but if I were Mark Davis I'd not only seriously think about it, but I'd have a long conversation with Dave Ziegler about what future coaching options he sees. Presuming Davis and Ziegler are on the same level. Davis says they all get along fine. Ok, sure.
I see you didn't do a summary on that ugly Bronco- Jags game... So, he lets his team down & Jags can't even beat the hapless Broncos.
He did have a rotten game. I'll flatly admit, at least from watching the extended highlights, he played poorly late. But it is the Broncos offense that is hapless, more so than their defense. Also, Jacksonville is only 8 games in with a new coach and new system. I'm holding off judgement on Lawerence, and Pederson.

I'm much more like Al Davis of the 1970s and 80s, or the way the Steeler organization is run. I'm not fire happy like Davis was before he died, or owners like that with little patience.

Eagles got the job done. Texans were better than expected but some of those throws by Mills...
To me this game showed me the Eagles are definitely beatable, and more like a 6-2 team than 8-0. They had trouble stopping the run, and should have run up the score but couldn't.

Regarding Mayfield keeping his job:
Ryan Leaf, Josh Rosen, Paxton Lynch or Skip Bayliss' HOF pick Johnny Manziel...no shortage of them.
I can probably name a half dozen more. At this point Mayfield is going to spend the next few years as a back-up somewhere. Maybe, just maybe, if gets his head out of his rear, actually eats some humble pie, studies his tail off, and works like heck, he could get a chance in a few years like Geno Smith. But Geno is kind of a rare bird, and I don't see Mayfield doing that.

As we look back on that draft, I thought Sam Darnold would make it, but playing for the Jets, and too many injuries may have him finished as well. Sam also, like Mayfield, hesitates too much at times, and forces balls as well. I'm sort of reminded of Andre Ware. Remember him? Run and shoot in college, drafted by Detroit who ran a similar spread? Cocky kid, and he could sure zip the ball, at least on short and mid-throws, but his reads, decision making, combined with iffy accuracy, just those split seconds made all the difference and he was a bust. Mayfield seems to be in that situation. My guess tells me that Nomad here would tell us that both Lawerence and Zach Wilson's names should be soon tossed into this hat.

I view these players different than guys like David Carr, Tim Couch, maybe David Klingler, Heath Schuler or Joey Harrington. Doomed when drafted to bad teams with little to no support structure. If someone is kind, they might put Darnold into this category.

A final comment is that I think there's a chance maybe Trey Lance, and Justin Fields could have decent careers. The reason being their style seems to be something many teams have found success with, a modern QB who uses the RPO, and can run if needed, and moves well with a pocket, or a broken pocket. Different than the classic three step drop back QB. The thing is, SF may be built to win now, the Bears however look like their cap room and draft picks are positive for the future. We'll see.