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For next year I wonder if they’ll commit to Mayfield and move on from Stafford as I think his contract will is up and they got what they wanted from him.
Rams signed Stafford to a $160m extension through 2025 in the off-season. His signing bonus alone this year was like $16m. Full payment could have been something insane like $61m with bonuses, but I think he only saw about half of that. But they have inked him, and are tied to him, for another 3 seasons. Then a player-friendly opt out. If he wants to, he can stay on staff for another $31m in 2026. Consider how close his body came to be destroyed this year, numerous body injuries, bad concussion, now a spinal contusion. At 34, how much longer would you keep playing?

Unless Stafford does retire, Mayfield is 99% gone in the off-season. Someone will pay him a lot more than the Rams have cash. He may still be a bit rough, but the guy is not a bust. There's actual talent there. He just needs a solid, no-nonsense coach and leader.
The question is when will Rams have a first round draft pick again.
I believe 2024. I heard a couple weeks ago that Detroit was looking at the 5-10 pick or so next year, thanks to the Rams. And their own around 17. What I find interesting is how many "experts" are certain that the Lions will take a rookie QB with their top draft pick. Have they been watching the Lions play? They badly need help on defense, and Goff has exceeded all expectations. Then again, the Lions have a long history of making really bad decisions. So maybe they will.

I've been saying this on this board (and elsewhere) a few yeas now: NFL scouts, GMs, pundits, see an exciting NCAA quarterback and envision a player who has never struggled in the NFL, (like someone like Goff, Mayfield, Geno, etc.) and get slap happy about it, dreaming this exciting new QB will lead the to the promised land. But any idiot can look at drafts from every year and see how rare that is. Far, far, FAR more guys like Wentz, Mariota, Trubiski, Bortles, Darnold, Zach Wilson, than guys like Joe Burrow.

In fact, there's another factor of the unknown; even two surefire QBs from college, who at first looked like they would have sensational NFL careers, both were cut short by injury: Robert Griffin and Andrew Luck.

That won't stop teams from reaching for QB after QB after QB.

I'm old enough to remember the 1997 draft, when Dick Vermeil came back to be the Rams coach. He was almost giddy that they had the Jets overall #1 pick and would get Orlando Pace, who he could build his offense upon. People scratched their heads, as there were no "marquee" names in that draft. But Vermeil had been around and knew what he was looking at. And Pace completely delivered. That was the start of the Greatest Show on Turf, and Pace ended up in the HOF.
 
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Yes it seems almost certain that the Rams won't retain Baker. The bigger question is why did they sign him in the first place ? Their season was done. Had to be only the spinal injury for Stafford. So Stafford is returning next season but I'm not convinced he will be around for long. He took a beating this season even before the back injury. Two conccussions within a few weeks, the ongoing elbow ligament injury plus the regular dings he was taking with a third string O line in front of him. I still don't think the market will be rushing after Baker. He will get the lower end of starter money at best. He was getting 18 mill per season at the Panthers.

In all likelihood Cousins will extend with the Vikings and Jimmy G will be picked up by the Colts, Texans, Jets or maybe even Washington or the Patriots. He will probably get more interest than Baker. Washington were close to signing him last off season. I think Purdy has effectively shut the door for Jimmy returning to the 49ers, especially on a low end rookie salary.. What happens with Lance is about as clear as it was at the beginning of the season. If they hold a QB competition in the next preseason, Lance will definitely lose to Purdy based on the last preseason and early games. Whatever progress had been made by Lance, looked minimal which was the reason for Jimmy's return. Purdy started 40 games in college, more than double the amount Lance started and it shows.
 
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You called it correctly Alpe. I thought Hackett might be given one more year. But he lost the team with all kinds of player confrontations occurring over the last few weeks including some kind of scuffle on the bench between the O-line & the two QBs in yesterday's game.


Calling Sean Payton....Calling Sean Payton...
 
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And yet, the Broncos kept GM George Paton, the guy who inked the deal to get Wilson (and hired Hackett). The Waltons are even giving him power to find the team's next coach (for Wilson to get fired).

While the Walton's have as much if not more $ than any other NFL team, if you were Sean Payton, would you really want to coach there?

If Wilson has as bad of year in 2023 as he has this year, it will be even more expensive to cut him after the 2023 season. Let's not forget he's singed at $48 per year, through at least 2025 (a staggering $55m that year alone), which will be a whopping 1/8th of the team's entire salary, and if they let him go that year, the "out" year, it will count as $31m against the cap in dead money. That's how great they expected him to be. Plus all the draft capital they gave up. (Contract numbers here).

Yes it seems almost certain that the Rams won't retain Baker. The bigger question is why did they sign him in the first place ?
They had no real QB. John Wolford has been hurt, and Bryce Perkins was next, young, raw, didn't look great when played. The choice was sign Baker cheap, see what happens. Or let someone else sign him, and play Perkins. I'm also assuming they know Stafford is quite potentially damaged goods. So, they rolled the dice.

You left out that Stafford has not only a back injury, but a neck injury as well (plus the concussions, elbow, who knows what else). Here's NFL Doc, talking about the injury in more detail. Basically most of these kind of spinal injuries result in surgery, or retirement. I think he sums it up well in the video. Former NFL doc, not some quack. According to Sportrac Stafford's net worth is about $80m. If he shows up to camp, he's guaranteed at least another $12m. Sounds like a great time to retire if you ask me.
Baker will get the lower end of starter money at best. He was getting 18 mill per season at the Panthers.
Pretty much agree. He either looks like an Andy Dalton type player - potential solid backup, or a "bridge" QB for another team looking for some potential good play, while they find/nurture a new QB or rookie.
In all likelihood Cousins will extend with the Vikings and Jimmy G will be picked up by the Colts, Texans, Jets or maybe even Washington or the Patriots.
Don't be shocked if the Raiders let Carr walk, and sign Garappolo. Similar players, but Carr forces the ball a lot more, makes more mistakes. Jimmy knows Josh McD, his system. GM Dave Ziegler knows him as well. He would command money, but not nearly the money Carr's extension will. For the Raiders, Jimmy could be the answer. If not, he could be the temporary good QB while they find/nurture their guy. Think, Alex Smith in KC until they found Mahomes and got him ready.

I could actually see Carr going to Houston, but only IF Houston doesn't take a QB with their first pick (unlikely). Carr has said he wanted to play for the Texans, as his brother did, and some connections still exist. But he's also said he only wants to be a Raider.

The Colts obviously need to flip the table.

Jets will probably stick with Mike White. This Jets team isn't that different than the early 2000s team run by Rex Ryan, that had a very good D, and Mark Sanchez did okay as long as he just played steady.

Washington? Who knows what that team will do. If they do get a new owner in the off-season, that person is going to want to make a splash, and an average veteran QB won't be it. That's my guess.
I think Purdy has effectively shut the door for Jimmy returning to the 49ers, especially on a low end rookie salary.. What happens with Lance is about as clear as it was at the beginning of the season. If they hold a QB competition in the next preseason, Lance will definitely lose to Purdy based on the last preseason and early games. Whatever progress had been made by Lance, looked minimal which was the reason for Jimmy's return. Purdy started 40 games in college, more than double the amount Lance started and it shows.
Agree 100% with all you wrote there. Lance got hurt though, which is why Jimmy stepped in. While Lance has been the prototype QB I think Shanahan wanted, considering the team is built to win now, and is winning now with Purdy....all this after they started looking really good with Garappolo, and arguably better with Purdy, what will they do is anyone's guess. And we don't even know how healthy Lance can stay, let along how good he really is?

The problem is, the 49ers gave up a LOT of draft capital to get Lance (see my previous post about teams getting slap-happy seeing untested young QBs in the NCAA :grinning:). I mean, they gave up a hell of a lot. You don't do that, and then admit you were wrong and just move forward.

The 49ers, just to move up to #3 in the draft and get Lance (who was not expected to go that high, but teams were three sheets to the wind drunk on every QB from college who could run being the next Lamar Jackson) gave up: The no. 12 pick in 2021 (their pick), which turned out to be Jaylen Waddle, who has played well. Plus their first-round selection in 2022, which Miami traded to get Tyreek Hill. And their 2023 pick, which Miami traded to Denver for Bradley Chubb. And a third-round pick in 2022, which turned out to be LB Channing Tindall, who hasn't played much. They did this with not their own draft picks, but the 49es picks they got in the trade.

This isn't a direct correlation, but imagine if the 49ers we see playing now had Hill, Waddle, Chubb, and rookie Tindall?

So, if the 49ers just bail on Lance, this looks like one of the worst trades in NFL history. Almost as bad (though not nearly as expensive) as the Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson trades.

So, you're Mike Shanahan and John Lynch. You get to the NFC championship or Super Bowl and lose. Which sword do you live and die by? Cut Jimmy G, cut Purdy, and go with Lance? That's what you planned all along, right? Sounds like an insane risk, when both got you as far as they did. What happens if you win the SB with Purdy? Then what? That makes letting Lance walk a lot easier to swallow. Then again, the Eagles let Nick Foles walk after winning a SB, to keep trying with Carson Wentz.
 
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No SB magic from Foles. He looked like a back up. What a dynamo Ekeler has been for the Chargers. Rarely misses a game and is a TD machine. Playoffs will be more interesting with the Chargers in there, especially if they get more of their injured players back.

Not sure that Jimmy G is the right QB for the Raiders offense. Long throws are not his strength and he will be expected to feed those Raiders speedsters but the TE's would definitely benefit in the middle of the field more than with Carr.

Looks good for the return of 49er's Mitchell and Deebo to practice within the next week or so andJimmy G had his cast removed which means he will be up and walking probably this week. They are almost back to full strength.
 
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On PFT yesterday Florio and Simmons were talking about Denver's future. A couple things caught my attention:

  • Denver must have some sort of plan for next year, to pull the trigger now. This does give them a head start on finding other potential coaches before they get scooped up.
  • Florio thinks the Broncos may benefit from hiring a consultant, to evaulate everything for a month, give them some outside perspective on how to fix Wilson. Would Sean Payton be that guy? Simmons wondered about Peyton Manning doing that.
  • Who would want the HC job? Not only do you have to fix Wilson, there's no cap room, no draft picks. Maybe someone who sees a huge boatload of guaranteed cash (as the owners are super rich)?
  • Payton likely won't take it, plus Denver would have to give NO a top draft pick to sign him (the don't have, obviously).
  • Darrell Bevel, former OC at Seattle might be the guy who figures out how to fix Wilson?
  • Payton told Florio something key: The good teams know when to rip the band-aid off, admit their mistakes and move on. The bad teams double down, triple down, chasing some sort of outcome making it look like they didn't make a mistake. How many times have we seen this?
That last one made me think about Trey Lance in SF. Also what the Raiders will do about either letting Derek Carr go, or pay his huge extension.
 
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On PFT yesterday Florio and Simmons were talking about Denver's future. A couple things caught my attention:

  • Denver must have some sort of plan for next year, to pull the trigger now. This does give them a head start on finding other potential coaches before they get scooped up.
  • Florio thinks the Broncos may benefit from hiring a consultant, to evaulate everything for a month, give them some outside perspective on how to fix Wilson. Would Sean Payton be that guy? Simmons wondered about Peyton Manning doing that.
  • Who would want the HC job? Not only do you have to fix Wilson, there's no cap room, no draft picks. Maybe someone who sees a huge boatload of guaranteed cash (as the owners are super rich)?
  • Payton likely won't take it, plus Denver would have to give NO a top draft pick to sign him (the don't have, obviously).
  • Darrell Bevel, former OC at Seattle might be the guy who figures out how to fix Wilson?
  • Payton told Florio something key: The good teams know when to rip the band-aid off, admit their mistakes and move on. The bad teams double down, triple down, chasing some sort of outcome making it look like they didn't make a mistake. How many times have we seen this?
That last one made me think about Trey Lance in SF. Also what the Raiders will do about either letting Derek Carr go, or pay his huge extension.
Seems Payton is trying to recruit Fangio who many expected to return to the 49ers if Demeco picks up a head coach job. Also it seems that Dan Quinn will be chasing another head coaching position. Big losses for both teams if it happens.
 
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Lots of teams have complaints about inability to convert in the red zone.. Chargers have huge problems with the slant and play action.. It's not an option pretty much there only game and while Eckler is effective he does it pretty much solo without much help from offensive line.. and that sets up the other problems with a constant chaos movement offense were Herbert gets rid of the ball fast and really never has a pocket to stand in and think about anything..
Probably one of my repeated biggest issues in the NFL is the kickoff.. in my opinion way too many balls banged out the end line and big run backs or timing smashes w defender being on top of the receiving team rare..I think that they need to scoot it back so that it's harder to kick it out or change the field position if they do kick it out to the 30 or 35 to make kicking it out a bigger liability..
Still going for Philadelphia Superbowl
 
On PFT yesterday Florio and Simmons were talking about Denver's future. A couple things caught my attention:

  • Denver must have some sort of plan for next year, to pull the trigger now. This does give them a head start on finding other potential coaches before they get scooped up.
  • Florio thinks the Broncos may benefit from hiring a consultant, to evaulate everything for a month, give them some outside perspective on how to fix Wilson. Would Sean Payton be that guy? Simmons wondered about Peyton Manning doing that.
  • Who would want the HC job? Not only do you have to fix Wilson, there's no cap room, no draft picks. Maybe someone who sees a huge boatload of guaranteed cash (as the owners are super rich)?
  • Payton likely won't take it, plus Denver would have to give NO a top draft pick to sign him (the don't have, obviously).
  • Darrell Bevel, former OC at Seattle might be the guy who figures out how to fix Wilson?
  • Payton told Florio something key: The good teams know when to rip the band-aid off, admit their mistakes and move on. The bad teams double down, triple down, chasing some sort of outcome making it look like they didn't make a mistake. How many times have we seen this?
That last one made me think about Trey Lance in SF. Also what the Raiders will do about either letting Derek Carr go, or pay his huge extension.
Wilson broke Wilson by insisting on perks that p*ss off the other team members like special parking, his own office and the likely entourage that comes with all of it. If he doesn't shed his separateness from the other players he'll be on his heels next season, too. Two seasons like this and he'll be a clipboard carrier's assistant.
 
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Wilson broke Wilson by insisting on perks that p*ss off the other team members like special parking, his own office and the likely entourage that comes with all of it. If he doesn't shed his separateness from the other players he'll be on his heels next season, too. Two seasons like this and he'll be a clipboard carrier's assistant.
All I can say about Denver is that they better make the right coaching choice. The Jags did and so did Detroit and the Vikings. Both of the latter teams teams have to work on their defense now. The offense is working out.
 
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In case there was any doubt that Derek Carr is done in Vegas he's been benched for the remaining two games with Jarrett Stidham taking over
Stidham taking over for the benched Carr? Carr is a total joke then as well as that whole team. People want to trash the Broncos criticizing Hackett & Wilson but that Raider team with Carr & the hot shot McDaniels are just as pathetic. All I heard prior to the season is how great McDaniels is & that Carr is just one step from becoming an elite QB in the league - and that the two should compliment each other. Lol. Both the Broncos & Raiders need a complete overhaul. And McDaniels isn't head coaching material - this is his 2nd failed attempt at trying to become a successful HC. His coaching record is 17-26 which includes the 2 yrs at Denver & 6-9 this season with just 2 games left.
 
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All I can say about Denver is that they better make the right coaching choice. The Jags did and so did Detroit and the Vikings. Both of the latter teams teams have to work on their defense now. The offense is working out.
They've been saying that since Gary Kubiak left in 2016. Lol.

The Vikings definitely made a good a choice with O'Connell.

If the Jags can not only win their division but win one playoff game - I'd say they made an excellent decision with Peterson. They got the 2021 #1 OA pick & supposedly the next "Payton Manning" as a 2nd yr starter at the helm - so expectations are very high in Jag land. As they say in the entertainment business - it's showtime in JAX. :cool:
 
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The decision to bench Carr is almost entirely one of $$$. He's an a team option year, and if he gets hurt, the have to pay him at least $34m. Now, they can try to get some sort of trade for him, or if no one bites, due to his future big contract, they can just release him. Or they can keep him, draft someone new, and use Carr as a bridge to that next guy in 2 years, when it's not terribly expensive to release/trade Carr, if it's still any good. But they couldn't afford to let him get hurt. Listening to McDaniels talk about it, I think this decision was probably 45% GM Dave Ziegler, 40% Mark Davis, 8% Sarah Douglas (validating the numbers work) and 7% McDaniels.

There are a heap of angry Raider fans online. So many people want anything and everything from Davis to sell the team asap, to McDaniels and the entire staff coaching staff fired immediately. Zeigler and Douglas fired immediately. Carr, most of the OL, half of the D, all cut immediately. They are not the only fans like this, of course. Amazing how impatient people are, expecting so much magic. And when they don't get it? Wipe the slate clean! Well, you can't just keep hitting the reset button over and over every single year, expecting a different result. Not just the Raiders, several other teams. Cleveland, Jacksonville, more. Remember when Dan Snyder had control over Washington? With that much anger and high demand, you're going to have a horrific work culture, with everyone operating in fear. Sounds a lot like Corporate America, with demanding, impatient shareholders and CEOs, or a strip and flip mentality. I much prefer the way the Steelers, Ravens, Seahawks, Patriots, operate. Find people who are dedicated, and work with them, allow them to adapt, grow, learn, while feeling good about their job.

The other question I ask every team: before you cut/fire Person X (player, coach, etc.) who are you going to get to replace him? Yep, in LV Derek Carr really isn't that good. Too many costly throws at the worst time. And his contract makes getting rid of him now a good idea. But so many other teams just want to pull the plug on so many players. It's like I said a few days ago about all the people wanting and expecting the Lions to "move on" from Jared Goff and finally draft their future QB in this coming draft. I can only assume these same people scored an F in every history class they ever took.

I still refuse to believe Sean Payton is seriously considering taking the Denver job. If he does, it can only be for two reasons: They pay him a shitton of cash. Boatloads of it. Aircraft Carrier loads of it. And, he must seriously, honestly think he has the exact fix for Russell Wilson. After all, the team will be stuck with him for some time. His salary will soon be so huge, they will have very little extra room to pay for anyone else, or get anyone in FA. And they drafted away nearly all of their draft capital. Either all this, or Sean has an ego the size of Texas and is far more of an idiot than anyone could have possibly comprehended.
 
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Stidham taking over for the benched Carr? Carr is a total joke then as well as that whole team. People want to trash the Broncos criticizing Hackett & Wilson but that Raider team with Carr & the hot shot McDaniels are just as pathetic. All I heard prior to the season is how great McDaniels is & that Carr is just one step from becoming an elite QB in the league - and that the two should compliment each other. Lol. Both the Broncos & Raiders need a complete overhaul. And McDaniels isn't head coaching material - this is his 2nd failed attempt at trying to become a successful HC. His coaching record is 17-26 which includes the 2 yrs at Denver & 6-9 this season with just 2 games left.
Adams wasting his career at the Raiders so far. Stidham started one game this year. The coach is useless. Why they even hired him is just another bad decision.. Game could be a bloodbath if the 49ers keep their foot down.
 
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The decision to bench Carr is almost entirely one of $$$. He's an a team option year, and if he gets hurt, the have to pay him at least $34m. Now, they can try to get some sort of trade for him, or if no one bites, due to his future big contract, they can just release him. Or they can keep him, draft someone new, and use Carr as a bridge to that next guy in 2 years, when it's not terribly expensive to release/trade Carr, if it's still any good. But they couldn't afford to let him get hurt. Listening to McDaniels talk about it, I think this decision was probably 45% GM Dave Ziegler, 40% Mark Davis, 8% Sarah Douglas (validating the numbers work) and 7% McDaniels.

There are a heap of angry Raider fans online. So many people want anything and everything from Davis to sell the team asap, to McDaniels and the entire staff coaching staff fired immediately. Zeigler and Douglas fired immediately. Carr, most of the OL, half of the D, all cut immediately. They are not the only fans like this, of course. Amazing how impatient people are, expecting so much magic. And when they don't get it? Wipe the slate clean! Well, you can't just keep hitting the reset button over and over every single year, expecting a different result. Not just the Raiders, several other teams. Cleveland, Jacksonville, more. Remember when Dan Snyder had control over Washington? With that much anger and high demand, you're going to have a horrific work culture, with everyone operating in fear. Sounds a lot like Corporate America, with demanding, impatient shareholders and CEOs, or a strip and flip mentality. I much prefer the way the Steelers, Ravens, Seahawks, Patriots, operate. Find people who are dedicated, and work with them, allow them to adapt, grow, learn, while feeling good about their job.

The other question I ask every team: before you cut/fire Person X (player, coach, etc.) who are you going to get to replace him? Yep, in LV Derek Carr really isn't that good. Too many costly throws at the worst time. And his contract makes getting rid of him now a good idea. But so many other teams just want to pull the plug on so many players. It's like I said a few days ago about all the people wanting and expecting the Lions to "move on" from Jared Goff and finally draft their future QB in this coming draft. I can only assume these same people scored an F in every history class they ever took.

I still refuse to believe Sean Payton is seriously considering taking the Denver job. If he does, it can only be for two reasons: They pay him a shitton of cash. Boatloads of it. Aircraft Carrier loads of it. And, he must seriously, honestly think he has the exact fix for Russell Wilson. After all, the team will be stuck with him for some time. His salary will soon be so huge, they will have very little extra room to pay for anyone else, or get anyone in FA. And they drafted away nearly all of their draft capital. Either all this, or Sean has an ego the size of Texas and is far more of an idiot than anyone could have possibly comprehended.
Be very surprised if Payton opted for Denver but of course you can never underestimate the lure of bucket loads of money.........
 
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Ego could indeed be it. That and money help make a lot of decisions. Millions and millions of dollars buy a lot of therapy if the whole thing goes south.
Adams wasting his career at the Raiders so far. Stidham started one game this year. The coach is useless. Why they even hired him is just another bad decision.. Game could be a bloodbath if the 49ers keep their foot down.
Stidham didn't start any games. He started all 3 pre-season games, and actually played well. But that's pre-season. He played the 4th quarter in the disaster game against the Saints. In that game Carr never got the Raiders past mid-field. At least Stidham got them to the Saints 40, but not quite close enough for a FG. The one thing Stidham will do is just make the quick pass, pull the trigger. 1st, option, 2nd option...good enough, let it go! Carr isn't like that. Carr liked to try to find the biggest play on almost every down. But he lacked the accuracy to do it. He also threw into double, triple coverage even. From what I can gather, Stidham also analyzes zones better than man. So if three guys line up on one side, he is pretty good at seeing the one hole to gain 4,7, 12 yards. If it's man, and openings don't develop quickly? I don't know. I also don't think Stidham is very mobile, his arm isn't a noodle, but he's never shown much accuracy deep. There's a reason he's been a BU so far.

As to McDaniels. You be the owner, who should they have hired instead? Please, don't say Gruden. He was terrible. If you say, like so many Raiders fans, "kept Bissacia!" bear in mind Bissiacia was a ST coach. He wasn't a coordinator, didn't call plays on either side of the ball. He was also running Gruden's old scheme. The whole "he made the playoffs" was true in that sense only, but they barely got in, and won a couple games with a few bounces. They were not much different from this season, honestly. He was the Raiders version of Jeff Saturday, except the Raiders squeezed out a couple more games than the Colts have. If they fire McDaniels, who do they hire? Sean Payton? Sure. If you think he'll come, and work under Ziegler. Okay. But Mark Davis doesn't have the truckloads of money the Walton family do. Who else?
 
Ego could indeed be it. That and money help make a lot of decisions. Millions and millions of dollars buy a lot of therapy if the whole thing goes south.

Stidham didn't start any games. He started all 3 pre-season games, and actually played well. But that's pre-season. He played the 4th quarter in the disaster game against the Saints. In that game Carr never got the Raiders past mid-field. At least Stidham got them to the Saints 40, but not quite close enough for a FG. The one thing Stidham will do is just make the quick pass, pull the trigger. 1st, option, 2nd option...good enough, let it go! Carr isn't like that. Carr liked to try to find the biggest play on almost every down. But he lacked the accuracy to do it. He also threw into double, triple coverage even. From what I can gather, Stidham also analyzes zones better than man. So if three guys line up on one side, he is pretty good at seeing the one hole to gain 4,7, 12 yards. If it's man, and openings don't develop quickly? I don't know. I also don't think Stidham is very mobile, his arm isn't a noodle, but he's never shown much accuracy deep. There's a reason he's been a BU so far.

As to McDaniels. You be the owner, who should they have hired instead? Please, don't say Gruden. He was terrible. If you say, like so many Raiders fans, "kept Bissacia!" bear in mind Bissiacia was a ST coach. He wasn't a coordinator, didn't call plays on either side of the ball. He was also running Gruden's old scheme. The whole "he made the playoffs" was true in that sense only, but they barely got in, and won a couple games with a few bounces. They were not much different from this season, honestly. He was the Raiders version of Jeff Saturday, except the Raiders squeezed out a couple more games than the Colts have. If they fire McDaniels, who do they hire? Sean Payton? Sure. If you think he'll come, and work under Ziegler. Okay. But Mark Davis doesn't have the truckloads of money the Walton family do. Who else?
If history tells us anything it's not only the coach...or the QB that makes a great team. To a great point you made earlier: Owners that lack patience and don't understand the cost to provide a deep enough squad to survive a season may never see the Ring. The Waltons have the money. Davis; not so much. There's also still a need in LA where there is an almost equal pile of dough to Denver.
And then there's Seattle with a wealth of 1st round picks....
 
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Ego could indeed be it. That and money help make a lot of decisions. Millions and millions of dollars buy a lot of therapy if the whole thing goes south.

Stidham didn't start any games. He started all 3 pre-season games, and actually played well. But that's pre-season. He played the 4th quarter in the disaster game against the Saints. In that game Carr never got the Raiders past mid-field. At least Stidham got them to the Saints 40, but not quite close enough for a FG. The one thing Stidham will do is just make the quick pass, pull the trigger. 1st, option, 2nd option...good enough, let it go! Carr isn't like that. Carr liked to try to find the biggest play on almost every down. But he lacked the accuracy to do it. He also threw into double, triple coverage even. From what I can gather, Stidham also analyzes zones better than man. So if three guys line up on one side, he is pretty good at seeing the one hole to gain 4,7, 12 yards. If it's man, and openings don't develop quickly? I don't know. I also don't think Stidham is very mobile, his arm isn't a noodle, but he's never shown much accuracy deep. There's a reason he's been a BU so far.

As to McDaniels. You be the owner, who should they have hired instead? Please, don't say Gruden. He was terrible. If you say, like so many Raiders fans, "kept Bissacia!" bear in mind Bissiacia was a ST coach. He wasn't a coordinator, didn't call plays on either side of the ball. He was also running Gruden's old scheme. The whole "he made the playoffs" was true in that sense only, but they barely got in, and won a couple games with a few bounces. They were not much different from this season, honestly. He was the Raiders version of Jeff Saturday, except the Raiders squeezed out a couple more games than the Colts have. If they fire McDaniels, who do they hire? Sean Payton? Sure. If you think he'll come, and work under Ziegler. Okay. But Mark Davis doesn't have the truckloads of money the Walton family do. Who else?
Yes its easy to be reactive about coaches until you see who else was available or is available. I think the league has already started to shy away from college coaches with no NFL experience. A percentage of 49ers so called fans have constantly called for Shanahan's demise, often, along with Jimmy G. He would be unemployed for maybe a week...........those same fans have been pretty quiet lately............
 
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As to McDaniels. You be the owner, who should they have hired instead? Please, don't say Gruden. He was terrible. If you say, like so many Raiders fans, "kept Bissacia!" bear in mind Bissiacia was a ST coach. He wasn't a coordinator, didn't call plays on either side of the ball. He was also running Gruden's old scheme. The whole "he made the playoffs" was true in that sense only, but they barely got in, and won a couple games with a few bounces. They were not much different from this season, honestly. He was the Raiders version of Jeff Saturday, except the Raiders squeezed out a couple more games than the Colts have. If they fire McDaniels, who do they hire? Sean Payton? Sure. If you think he'll come, and work under Ziegler. Okay. But Mark Davis doesn't have the truckloads of money the Walton family do. Who else?
If Bissiacia wanted the job, I would have offered it & given him the chance at a full season. I certainly wouldn't have hired McDaniels based on the fact he was a failure at Denver (17-26 in 2 yrs). And his incompetence as a HC is showing with his 6-9 record that could easily fall to 6-11 before it's all said & done. So, take the black pill & admit he's failure as a HC. If the Raiders want to run with him again next season, then the joke is on them. Keeping him around is just going to piss off the fans to the point where dwindling attendance is going to start occurring & precious revenue is going to be lost.

I would have looked at coordinators without HC experience & give them a chance. There must be dozens of coordinators who are just itching for a shot at a HC job. Look at Zach Taylor & Mike McDaniels, both first time HCs. Taylor had a rough first 2 yrs at Cincy but turned it around with Burrow going to the SB in just his 4th yr. McDaniels is very impressive in his first year at Miami. The Finns are sitting at 8-7 with both of their last games against NE & NYJ very winnable. And they're very much alive in the WC hunt - more than you can say for Joshy & the Silver & Black. Lol.
 
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