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[Alpe d'Huez]

I'd still take Stroud over Richardson any day. I don't recall too many plays in the NFL where a QB has to jump straight up and down, or run 40 yards in a straight line . I like guys that throw the ball really well, and CJ did that in spades. Yes, it's just the combine, but I came away impressed. Almost every throw was a thing of beauty. Though I will repeat what I said before, he's going to need a really solid OL, and work throwing under pressure. But that will come with time with the tools he has, as long as he doesn't end up on a crap team with a crap coach and crap OL.

 

[jmdirt]

I'd still take Stroud over Richardson any day. I don't recall too many plays in the NFL where a QB has to jump straight up and down, or run 40 yards in a straight line . I like guys that throw the ball really well, and CJ did that in spades. Yes, it's just the combine, but I came away impressed. Almost every throw was a thing of beauty. Though I will repeat what I said before, he's going to need a really solid OL, and work throwing under pressure. But that will come with time with the tools he has, as long as he doesn't end up on a crap team with a crap coach and crap OL.

But that will come with time with the tools he has, as long as he doesn't end up on a crap team with a crap coach and crap OL.

Unfortunately, most top draft picks do.

 

[Unchained]

I never bought retreads for my car.. But some people do

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[jmdirt]

Young barely broke 5'10" at the Combine, but managed to bloat up to nearly 210.

So he DID find the Copperfit line of Leadfit socks and briefs then!

 

[Nomad]

I'd still take Stroud over Richardson any day. I don't recall too many plays in the NFL where a QB has to jump straight up and down, or run 40 yards in a straight line . I like guys that throw the ball really well, and CJ did that in spades. Yes, it's just the combine, but I came away impressed. Almost every throw was a thing of beauty. Though I will repeat what I said before, he's going to need a really solid OL, and work throwing under pressure. But that will come with time with the tools he has, as long as he doesn't end up on a crap team with a crap coach and crap OL.

So, now you're on the Stoud bandwagon after you spent a couple of posts lecturing me on how he's overrated because of the all-star OL & receivers he had at OSU? Lol. And what happen to your hero Bryce Young? He also had an all-star OL & receivers at Bama plus arguably the best back in Jahmyr Gibbs. You want to see some fireworks wait until Gibbs shows his stuff when the top RBs take to the field. Young wouldn't even throw at the combine (he think he said something cheesy like I don't have to "prove myself" at the combine. Lol).

Richardson is getting accolades from the scouts not because of his freakish athleticism but because of his arm strength & touch on his throws. He's quickly moving up the draft board from initially being the 4th or 5th QB taken to now possibly the 2nd QB taken.

Weiterleitungshinweis

One thing is for certain; just like Levis at Kentucky, Richardson didn't have the all-star supporting cast at Florida that Young & Stroud had at Bama & OSU. Florida's program has been bad over the last several years dropping down to an unprecedented lower-tier status in the SEC. Taking that into consideration, Richardson's stats & leading Florida to 6 wins & bowl game is impressive. Maybe he'll do the best on a crap team.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

RUMOR: Baker Mayfield linked to 2 teams in free agency

I still think both the Rams and Raiders have got to be at least somewhat interested. The Rams for obvious reasons, he played well there last season, and having an extroverted alpha coach like McVey helps him. I also think there's a 10% chance that Stafford retires. The Raiders simply because Josh McDaniels has liked Mayfield ever since he came out of college and has reportedly talked to him several times over the years. McDaniels is also a rather alpha coach, who would be strict with him. But we'll see.

Re-treads are as good of a bet as drafting a rookie, honestly. But there's one difference, they tend to cost more, sometimes a lot more. But some are worth it. Geno Smith comes to mind. But he's not the only one. Jim Plunkett obviously. Len Dawson sat a long while, same with Lynn Dickey. Steve Young was all but given up on at Tampa. Rich Gannon is another guy. But some other guys who were expected to perhaps lead a team, but ended up sitting, did okay when they finally did start somewhere. Matt Schaub is a good example. Kerry Collins another. Good career, nothing special. But there are other guys who seemed to have what it takes, until they tried to lead teams, and didn't. Matt Flynn, Greg McElroy. Too many to list. Way too many.

So, now you're on the Stoud bandwagon after you spent a couple of posts lecturing me on how he's overrated because of the all-star OL & receivers he had at OSU? Lol. And what happen to your hero Bryce Young?

Hahhaha! Okay, I'm somewhat guilty on Stoud. I still worry about him dealing with pressure. But I was NOT a Bryce Young guy!!!! I have said time and again he's too small! As well as question other things about him that will hinder his success! But he has shown himself to be a playmaker, and great within a moving pocket. That's a talent it takes in the NFL, especially as he'll be going to a team with a poor offense. But I seriously question him taking the league by storm. Could be the next Kyler Murray, maybe? I don't see the next Drew Brees.

My general thought is none of these four top QBs are going to step into the NFL from day one and show they are a future stud in the NFL. I think Stoud has the best shot long term, simply because he has a fantastic arm, a fluid motion, and all of his passes seemed on the money. Levis can bomb the ball for sure, and has a quick delivery, but I see him struggling. Richardson I will repeat what I said. He could come into the league and because of his athleticism be an instant dual threat that gives teams headaches. His accuracy on passing is nowhere near as good as Stroud, but he looked okay at the Combine throwing. But I see teams scheming and adapting to him, at least somewhat enough to fluster him. But if he really puts his nose to the grindstone, the talent is obviously there, no doubt. The guy is just a physical specimen of which the likes I'm not sure I've seen in some time, if ever, come into this league. Cam? Kaep? Russell?!

Agree with you on both Levis and Richardson. It "helps" playing on crummy teams. As great as Stroud and Young have looked, they were on great teams. Bennett has the same problem, but he lacks their size. But his throwing looked quite good at the combine, which surprised me. He looked like he could be a day 2 draft pick that has a shot at certainly being a backup.

 

[jmdirt]

Young barely broke 5'10" at the Combine, but managed to bloat up to nearly 210.

He was only 204. The reason 6 pounds in significant is that at 210 he might be able to stay above 200, but at 204 there is no way. It is likely that he will put on some more muscle over the summer once he starts with the team strength guys. Will he play any differently at 195 than 200 or 205? Probably not. Will it make a difference for the 2025 season? Maybe.

EDIT: as has been discussed, Young is 'slight' whereas guys like Hurts are 'thick'. Some of that is certainly genetic, but maybe more of it is their love of the weightroom (starting when they were 15).

 

[Nomad]

Hurts is listed on Eagle's roster at 6'1"/223 (222 was his combine weight in 2020 - so consistent with his playing weight). A little short in the height department but the 223 is a solid weight for a starting QB in the league.

By comparison, the other high-profile dual-threat QB, Lamar jackson, is 6'2"/230.

 

[Nomad]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article272707865.html

 

[jmdirt]

Hurts is listed on Eagle's roster at 6'1"/223 (222 was his combine weight in 2020 - so consistent with his playing weight). A little short in the height department but the 223 is a solid weight for a starting QB in the league.

By comparison, the other high-profile dual-threat QB, Lamar jackson, is 6'2"/230.

Been there:
jmdirt from last week:
"Bryce Young is probably the most 'athletic' QB who will get thrown to the wolves this year. His size could be a concern simply because he will go to a team that won't be able to help him out too much. Durability will likely be an issue. I would like to know his real HT/WT because I've seen as tall as 6'1"/210 (BS!), ESPN has him listed at 6'/195 (that's a stretch too IMO). Compare that to a guy who is just as athletic, Lamar Jackson at 3+" taller and 30 pounds heavier. He and RW might be the same height, but Russ is at least 15 pounds heavier. By all accounts BY is a guy who will put in the work, but he's not going to put on 15+ lbs IMO, and at 21 (almost 22 I think) he likely won't get taller. He is Doug Flutie size. "

 

[Oldermanish]

Derek Carr to NE. That shoe dropped so what/who is next?

 

[jmdirt]

Derek Carr to NE. That shoe dropped so what/who is next?

I read that he went to NO. Either way, the 'vet QB shuffle' has officially begun...

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

That's a typo. He's definitely going to New Orleans (as I just predicted!). It's a perfect fit for him, and he'll do as good, or better, than he ever did on the Raiders. They need to focus on their OL a bit though. But he's instantly the best QB in that division, and makes them the favorite to win that division (if they weren't already).

Jets slept on this, and completely blew it. By waiting for Rodgers, it had to have given Carr a sour taste in his mouth thinking the Jets really wanted Rodgers and would settle for Carr, when the Saints wanted him all along. Can't blame the guy a single bit.

 

[jmdirt]

I agree, it should be good for NO and DC.

 

[movingtarget]

So it looks like Rodgers/jimmy G to the Jets or Vegas ?

 

[Oldermanish]

I read that he went to NO. Either way, the 'vet QB shuffle' has officially begun...

typo-NO!!! Thanks

 

[Oldermanish]

This just broke, as hoped for and expected:

According to NFL Network's Tom Pelissero and Ian Rapoport, the Seahawks are completing a deal to retain the 32-year-old quarterback. Rapoport said a three-year, $105 million contract is "done and agreed."

The NFL world is thrilled for Smith, who spent most of the previous six years as a reserve before breaking out for the Seahawks in 2022.

"Yessir!!!!" Seahawks wide receiver Tyler Lockett wrote on Twitter.

 

[movingtarget]

That's a good deal for Geno.

 

[movingtarget]

Chiefs expected to release DE Frank Clark

www.nfl.com

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Wow! But I didn't realize he was making that much money. He'll definitely get picked up very quickly.

The Saints signing Carr means Jamis Winston will be cut within days. Carr's contract has about $70m guaranteed, and a no-trade clause, which means he believes he is there to stay.

Respect to John Schneider and Geno Smith for getting a deal done. It seems like a good contract for both Geno, and the team, and they didn't have to franchise him, which is what I thought would happen, and can lend to some friction. I can see why Lockett is happy.

I think the Jets are still hoping to sign Rodgers, but I fear that treasure is filled with fools' gold. As I said before, I think someone could get "stuck" with him. Not that he has instantly fallen off a cliff in talent, but he did regress some, he's almost gotten stranger every season, and his contract is insanely bloated. Someone is going to have to eat that. There's a chance Green Bay could pay some cash to the Jets, and/or trade for someone who is overpaid for the Packers to eat, like Cj Uzomah, who is making $10m this year - the last of his contract. I think the Packers really want to get rid of him and see what Love can do, but it also depends on how desperate the Jets are.

Jimmy G could play for the Raiders, but despite loud fans in Vegas insisting the Raiders find a QB now, many of them wanting Rodgers, the fact is the Raiders are terrible on defense, and they need to find their QB of the future, especially considering they play in a division with Mahomes and Herbert. But they are not going to find that guy in FA, and probably not in this draft. Jimmy G would cost about $30m a year, which is a really expensive "bridge" until they can find their guy. Plus he can't seem to get through a season. Jacoby Brissett I think would be better, for about $5m. Jarett Stidham could be re-signed for dirt cheap. I mean, the Raiders paid him under $1m last year and he played good in the SF game, and not so good in the KC game. Or they could just re-build for a year with Chase Garbers, see what he has, for $300k. McDaniels didn't seem phased when he mentioned Garbers was the only QB they had on contract, and Ziegler spoke highly of him. But outside of playing "ok to good" in a couple pre-season games, he's almost unknown. A kid from Cal who put up good numbers there on an average team, and he wasn't even drafted (take that, Purdy!). Let's not forget, Kurt Warner, Tony Romo, Dave Kreig, Jeff Garcia, Jake Delhomme, Case Keenum, and probably a few more who had at least good careers were undrafted

 

[movingtarget]

Wow! But I didn't realize he was making that much money. He'll definitely get picked up very quickly.

The Saints signing Carr means Jamis Winston will be cut within days. Carr's contract has about $70m guaranteed, and a no-trade clause, which means he believes he is there to stay.

Respect to John Schneider and Geno Smith for getting a deal done. It seems like a good contract for both Geno, and the team, and they didn't have to franchise him, which is what I thought would happen, and can lend to some friction. I can see why Lockett is happy.

I think the Jets are still hoping to sign Rodgers, but I fear that treasure is filled with fools' gold. As I said before, I think someone could get "stuck" with him. Not that he has instantly fallen off a cliff in talent, but he did regress some, he's almost gotten stranger every season, and his contract is insanely bloated. Someone is going to have to eat that. There's a chance Green Bay could pay some cash to the Jets, and/or trade for someone who is overpaid for the Packers to eat, like Cj Uzomah, who is making $10m this year - the last of his contract. I think the Packers really want to get rid of him and see what Love can do, but it also depends on how desperate the Jets are.

Jimmy G could play for the Raiders, but despite loud fans in Vegas insisting the Raiders find a QB now, many of them wanting Rodgers, the fact is the Raiders are terrible on defense, and they need to find their QB of the future, especially considering they play in a division with Mahomes and Herbert. But they are not going to find that guy in FA, and probably not in this draft. Jimmy G would cost about $30m a year, which is a really expensive "bridge" until they can find their guy. Plus he can't seem to get through a season. Jacoby Brissett I think would be better, for about $5m. Jarett Stidham could be re-signed for dirt cheap. I mean, the Raiders paid him under $1m last year and he played good in the SF game, and not so good in the KC game. Or they could just re-build for a year with Chase Garbers, see what he has, for $300k. McDaniels didn't seem phased when he mentioned Garbers was the only QB they had on contract, and Ziegler spoke highly of him. But outside of playing "ok to good" in a couple pre-season games, he's almost unknown. A kid from Cal who put up good numbers there on an average team, and he wasn't even drafted (take that, Purdy!). Let's not forget, Kurt Warner, Tony Romo, Dave Kreig, Jeff Garcia, Jake Delhomme, Case Keenum, and probably a few more who had at least good careers were undrafted

I guess the Raiders could look long term and draft a QB and use the rest of the draft on defense. Not sure what Adams would think of that.. Can't see them not bringing back Stidham but maybe not as the starter. Can't see Jimmy going for less than 30 mill per season in the current market after looking at what Geno and Carr are getting and the Giants are going to tag Jones for over 30 mill.

Cowboys tagged Pollard and the Raiders tagged Jacobs both for 10 million. Makes sense.

 

[Unchained]

This may sound really really bad, but I think it's true.. Not sure that Las Vegas has to put on winner on the field to sell out and sell merchandise

 

[jmdirt]

This just broke, as hoped for and expected:

According to NFL Network's Tom Pelissero and Ian Rapoport, the Seahawks are completing a deal to retain the 32-year-old quarterback. Rapoport said a three-year, $105 million contract is "done and agreed."

The NFL world is thrilled for Smith, who spent most of the previous six years as a reserve before breaking out for the Seahawks in 2022.

"Yessir!!!!" Seahawks wide receiver Tyler Lockett wrote on Twitter.

I'm not sure how to feel about this. Alpe gave me a new way to look at this so I'm good with this now!

As a person who spends way too much of his life watching football, I have also long struggled with the money that these guys make. For a while it started to reduce my enjoyment of the game so I decided that I had to either not care about the money or stop watching. I decided to (mostly) stop worrying about the money.

GS was sooo much better than I (anyone) expected him to be, but one really good season equals a $100+ MIL contract? Comparatively speaking, I guess its not that much money, but, man...

In related news: Carr for $150 MIL?!

 

[Oldermanish]

I'm not sure how to feel about this.

As a person who spends way too much of his life watching football, I have also long struggled with the money that these guys make. For a while it started to reduce my enjoyment of the game so I decided that I had to either not care about the money or stop watching. I decided to (mostly) stop worrying about the money.

GS was sooo much better than I (anyone) expected him to be, but one really good season equals a $100+ MIL contract? Comparatively speaking, I guess its not that much money, but, man...

In related news: Carr for $150 MIL?!

For what it's worth, part of that would be "bonus" money for helping save last year's season and for several years of holding a clipboard when he might have been a contributor. If it's not guaranteed money then it's functionally a year to year but I got zero details from what's been said. It also could be a bargain when looking at Carr's $150mil. Seattle's always been fairly good about coming to terms with serious players that don't try to negotiate in the press and promote team unity when they can.

 

[jmdirt]

Pollard (tagged) will get at least $10 MIL from DAL now unless he can negotiate a muti-year deal.

Calvin Ridley is reinstated which should make JAX even better.

RE: something we talked about last week: Ruggs is still awaiting his May hearing and a determination of what court he will be tried in.