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PHI is really good, but they need to score 6 more often instead of 3. Eight minute drives are great, but they need to end in TDs. ToP is important though.

SF, KC, and DET look good too (I should probably put MIA in here...).

Still too much sloppy football heading into week 6.
But what really matters is how the Seattle Seahawks look...?
 
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And just saying to the NFL and European fans.. Thanks.. I have enjoyed having coffee and breakfast and having a game on already. And another cool quirk about the Euros.. if it's an NFL jersey or logo they wear it to the game, which I find super cool.. Just seeing people having fun and the 2 teams playing are not super significant as far as what US city they are from.. Have not read about the negative from a little longer travel but the enthusiasm of the European crowds is great!!!
 
PHI is really good, but they need to score 6 more often instead of 3. Eight minute drives are great, but they need to end in TDs. ToP is important though.

SF, KC, and DET look good too (I should probably put MIA in here...).

Still too much sloppy football heading into week 6.
SF guys on both sides of the ball looked like they were having fun. Their was hitting Dallas very, very hard for the time I watched.
 
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Mac Jones had a promising rookie year. The best of the five qb's taken in the first round. The next year set him back with Matt Patricia as OC. What a stupid decision by Belicek. Now he appears lost. Bill is the one that needs to go. There is nobody on that team anymore.
But Bill O'Brien was supposed to fix that. He's the QB whisperer, worked with Brady (and Bill, and McDaniels) during the glory years. HC experience too. Unlike Patrician, he was going to throw the ball down the field like Mac wanted. But what a disaster that's been. I'm not sure what McDaniels did in Jones rookie season, maybe little and the league just hadn't seen enough of him to scheme against him, but Mac has now fallen off a cliff. Only so much the coaching can be blamed.
And just saying to the NFL and European fans.. Thanks...the enthusiasm of the European crowds is great!!!
Agree. I remember the first few years the NFL went there and a lot of Euro fans were "WTF?" and some stands were only partly filled. Same with NFL-Europe, which was so-so. Now, it looks like most any NFL game in the states!

I think it's inevitable we end up with teams in Europe. In fact, I can easily see a time when there is a division with European: 4 teams. England, Germany, Spain, and a second in one of those countries. In fact, I'm a much bigger fan of expansion, and there are a handful of US cities that could handle it (St. Louis, Portland, San Antonio or Austin, Oklahoma City). Adding a total of 8 teams to the NFL would be a roster challenge, for sure, but over time with the NCAA as a feeder program, and the USXFL as a defacto minor league, enough players would develop well enough to play in the NFL fairly quickly.
 
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Not the prettiest win, but the Raiders pulled it out. Surprised how well their defense is playing, as the offense still struggles to be in sync. If last week's game was filled with mistakes, blunders, dumb penalties, etc. I don't know if it was Patrick Graham dialing something up, or Josh McDaniels putting a boot in his team's ass, but they won.
 
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Raiders got it done in a scappy game. Love still looks pretty raw. Big game by Crosby. Jimmy still turning the ball over but he also did some good things. Jacobs improving. on his earlier games.

Nice win by the Jags in another untidy game, same with the Colts.

Good win by Detroit against average opposition. Montgomery is looking really good as is their run game in general and Goff continues to be solid.

Patriots look as flat as a tack. They showed nothing. Hard to see where the wins will come from.

Bengals needed that win, helped by an uncharacteristic performance by Dobbs. His pick 6 was horrific as were the constant turnovers. Hard to believe it's taken five games for Chase to score a TD.

Wilson The Younger won the battle of the Wilson's in a low quality but strangely entertaining game. Russell Wilson just can't stop making mistakes it seems and looks like a totally different player to the pre 2020 Wilson. Payton has a huge job ahead of him but as bad as Denver looks, they still look better than the Patriots. Not that that will give them any reassurance...........
 
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But Bill O'Brien was supposed to fix that. He's the QB whisperer, worked with Brady (and Bill, and McDaniels) during the glory years. HC experience too. Unlike Patrician, he was going to throw the ball down the field like Mac wanted. But what a disaster that's been. I'm not sure what McDaniels did in Jones rookie season, maybe little and the league just hadn't seen enough of him to scheme against him, but Mac has now fallen off a cliff. Only so much the coaching can be blamed.
I don't know how much credit I would give anyone because they worked with Brady. or any other great QB for that matter. I think Brady should deserve the credit for helping them. O'Brien wrecked the Texans and McDaniels has failed miserably as an HC. He will get run out of LV soon.
 
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Watched Raiders and Packers and couldn't help but notice the lack of points produced by both teams, one w an almost wet behind the ears QB while the Raiders have a seasoned vet that has speed on the outside and should have been able to at a minimum run a slant or 2 ..and also special teams were not, couldn't block,kick or know when to be on the field..
And you see San Francisco looking better during a blowout w their backup quarterback.
Chargers with plenty of time to watch game film and correct problems and Denver has always been a tough game for them while in San Diego.
After watching I still have hope for Green Bay and the agility of the backfield is pretty good..
Even w getting some sunshine don't have a good gut feeling about the Bears..
 
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What a blow to the Finn's O. This is the 2nd leading rusher in the league averaging an unbelievable 12 yds per carry! Surprisingly, the team medical staff is being quiet on the specifics of the injury - I've saw one unconfirmed report that it was a possible meniscus tear.

Achane is a modern day Mercury Morris who played for the Finns back in the 70s (remember him Alpe & Oldermanish?). Both are almost identical in size & blazing speed (Achane was a track man at Texas A&M running a 10.1 100m).

I remember watching Achane at A&M tearing up defenses with his great running ability. However, at a buck 83, I thought he would be too small for RB & he would be moved to WR. But they drafted him as RB & he's in the rotation as a rookie.

I recall a famous coach once said for the RB position:  Speed never has a bad day.
 
What a blow to the Finn's O. This is the 2nd leading rusher in the league averaging an unbelievable 12 yds per carry! Surprisingly, the team medical staff is being quiet on the specifics of the injury - I've saw one unconfirmed report that it was a possible meniscus tear.

Achane is a modern day Mercury Morris who played for the Finns back in the 70s (remember him Alpe & Oldermanish?). Both are almost identical in size & blazing speed (Achane was a track man at Texas A&M running a 10.1 100m).

I remember watching Achane at A&M tearing up defenses with his great running ability. However, at a buck 83, I thought he would be too small for RB & he would be moved to WR. But they drafted him as RB & he's in the rotation as a rookie.

I recall a famous coach once said for the RB position:  Speed never has a bad day.
Mercury was a phenom and, if I recall correctly and excellent double threat receiver. Defenses were smaller and slower then, too.
 
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What a blow to the Finn's O. This is the 2nd leading rusher in the league averaging an unbelievable 12 yds per carry! Surprisingly, the team medical staff is being quiet on the specifics of the injury - I've saw one unconfirmed report that it was a possible meniscus tear.

Achane is a modern day Mercury Morris who played for the Finns back in the 70s (remember him Alpe & Oldermanish?). Both are almost identical in size & blazing speed (Achane was a track man at Texas A&M running a 10.1 100m).

I remember watching Achane at A&M tearing up defenses with his great running ability. However, at a buck 83, I thought he would be too small for RB & he would be moved to WR. But they drafted him as RB & he's in the rotation as a rookie.

I recall a famous coach once said for the RB position:  Speed never has a bad day.
Yes a bitter blow. His form was great. But they also have Mostert in his best form for a few years and Jeff Wilson is returning from IR so they should be okay at RB. Mostert is also a speedster but hasn't had as many explosive plays so far as Achane.
 
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Not the prettiest win, but the Raiders pulled it out. Surprised how well their defense is playing, as the offense still struggles to be in sync. If last week's game was filled with mistakes, blunders, dumb penalties, etc. I don't know if it was Patrick Graham dialing something up, or Josh McDaniels putting a boot in his team's ass, but they won.
WTH???

 
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I'll honestly be really surprised if Mark Davis up and fires McDaniels and Ziegler. Doing so would set the team back another 5 years, maybe longer. Mark lived through the 10+ year stretch where his increasingly senile father fired coach after coach after coach every other year, and the team got worse and worse every time. Cleveland's used this strategy to the same effect for years as well. Detroit used to employ it a lot too. It's also been tried a lot by the Texans, Cardinals, Jets. Look at how great those teams have been over the last 30 years, until now, perhaps the Lions, and maybe Browns finding some stability - though I'll argue owner Jimmy Haslem's insistence on giving Watson that enormous contract, and all those draft picks to get him, shows how well owners know football. Houston got lucky on that one. Let's see how Ryans does as the Texans coach, unless they just can him too as soon as the team loses a few games. Mark Davis has never been his father, but he's also never been that fire happy of an owner. He fired Del Rio in order to get Gruden. But even when Gruden was doing poorly, and he was first informed by Goodell about dirt on him, he wouldn't just up and fire Jon.

Lots of Raiders "fans" were screaming for McDaniels and Ziegler to be fired in the off-season, so the team could hire Sean Payton to do both jobs. Look at how great that's turned out for Denver.

This kind of corporate america CEO impatience, where it's assumed someone who makes mistakes can never ever possibly learn from them, and you'll find some perfect genius to replace them, zero time to grow and instant success must be assured, is the near opposite of the most successful teams in the NFL, or sports for that matter. Same with businesses, really.

Let's go back to 1980. You're an NFL owner. You hired a coach two years ago, and he went 2-14, then 6-10. His rookie QB he was so high on has only been 2-6, with a 15-9 TD/INT ratio. What a loser, a pair of losers. Fire them and get someone in there who knows what they heck they are doing.

You just fired Bill Walsh, and cut Joe Montana.

Let's go back to 1989. Your new coach goes 1-15. The hot shot QB he drafted is 0-11. Then, this coach has the audacity to trade away your best player, the best player in the league. Fire this idiot and cut that lousy loser of a QB!

You just fired Jimmy Johnson and cut Troy Aikman.

Flipping the table over every time things don't go well, and then expect a different result, is a recipe for continuous failure.
 
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"open to" and actually doing it are two vastly different things. If I was Kraft, I would get rid of Bill the GM, but keep him as a coach because he clearly hasn't built the team well. Bill the GM hasn't given Bill the coach much to work with.
But being open to it is opening a can of worms that no one really expected. That’s vastly different from the position majority thought Bill was in.
 
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I'll honestly be really surprised if Mark Davis up and fires McDaniels and Ziegler. Doing so would set the team back another 5 years, maybe longer. Mark lived through the 10+ year stretch where his increasingly senile father fired coach after coach after coach every other year, and the team got worse and worse every time. Cleveland's used this strategy to the same effect for years as well. Detroit used to employ it a lot too. It's also been tried a lot by the Texans, Cardinals, Jets. Look at how great those teams have been over the last 30 years, until now, perhaps the Lions, and maybe Browns finding some stability - though I'll argue owner Jimmy Haslem's insistence on giving Watson that enormous contract, and all those draft picks to get him, shows how well owners know football. Houston got lucky on that one. Let's see how Ryans does as the Texans coach, unless they just can him too as soon as the team loses a few games. Mark Davis has never been his father, but he's also never been that fire happy of an owner. He fired Del Rio in order to get Gruden. But even when Gruden was doing poorly, and he was first informed by Goodell about dirt on him, he wouldn't just up and fire Jon.

Lots of Raiders "fans" were screaming for McDaniels and Ziegler to be fired in the off-season, so the team could hire Sean Payton to do both jobs. Look at how great that's turned out for Denver.

This kind of corporate america CEO impatience, where it's assumed someone who makes mistakes can never ever possibly learn from them, and you'll find some perfect genius to replace them, zero time to grow and instant success must be assured, is the near opposite of the most successful teams in the NFL, or sports for that matter. Same with businesses, really.

Let's go back to 1980. You're an NFL owner. You hired a coach two years ago, and he went 2-14, then 6-10. His rookie QB he was so high on has only been 2-6, with a 15-9 TD/INT ratio. What a loser, a pair of losers. Fire them and get someone in there who knows what they heck they are doing.

You just fired Bill Walsh, and cut Joe Montana.

Let's go back to 1989. Your new coach goes 1-15. The hot shot QB he drafted is 0-11. Then, this coach has the audacity to trade away your best player, the best player in the league. Fire this idiot and cut that lousy loser of a QB!

You just fired Jimmy Johnson and cut Troy Aikman.

Flipping the table over every time things don't go well, and then expect a different result, is a recipe for continuous failure.
But I wonder - if that a**hole remark by Davis was, in fact, directed to McDaniels - if he would want out at the end of the year? How could he continue to work for man who publicly humiliates him in public like that? Couple this with the likelyhood that Belichick is fired at season's end - wouldn't McDaniels be a top coaching candidate? (I don't think there's any "bad blood" between Kraft & McDaniels?)

FWIW, The main issue with the Silver & Black is poor QB play (imagine that. Lol). Jimmy G is  not answer. The offensive point production (76) is 2nd to last in the AFC. Jimmy G is not throwing the ball well ranked 25th in the league with 45 QB rating. He's thrown more picks than TD passes (6/7). He's got a weak arm & looks lost at times out there. He's got a bad foot, and now he's shell- shocked from the concusion - so he's not going to want to get hit & he'll be throwing the ball away a lot. He's looks to be at the very tail end of his career with retirement in the very near future.

My question is why not just bench Jimmy G & go with the O'Connell kid the rest of the season? I know he performed rather poorly in his debut filling in for the injured Jimmy G with the 3 turnovers and all. But could he do much worse the Jimmy G in the long run? Play the kid the rest of the way & see if the 4th rounder is starting material in this league:

 
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I agree Garappolo is not the answer. And if I were McDaniels, if the team gets close to not making the playoffs, I'd start O'Connell (like 2-4 weeks from now if the team isn't better, not late in the season). He actually didn't play that poorly if you watch the whole LAC game, yes the fumbles were bad, but the OL completely let him down, and as the game went on, he played better. I think even GM Dave Ziegler knows JG isn't the answer, if you look at the contract. It makes him easy to cut at the end of the season with a small cap hit.

You bring up a good point about McDaniels and Davis. They say they get along good. But if you look at that FG, you had one of the best kickers in the business missing a long kick that was partially blocked. What was Mark Davis so mad about? If he was mad at McDaniels (or Carlson), I'd like an explanation too.

I think if Belicheck is fired there are two candidates to replace him. The first is Jarrod Mayo. But he's been very quiet about this possibility. The other is indeed McDaniels, and from what I can tell, he left NE on very good terms. So, who knows? Regardless of what Josh ever says, I'm 99% certain he'd much rather be the HC in New England than Las Vegas.

I agree with the others that it's possible if Bill is kept on, he's likely to be stripped of his GM, and most all player personnel duties, and "given time to just focus on being what he does best: coach", or some story like that.
 
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I agree Garappolo is not the answer. And if I were McDaniels, if the team gets close to not making the playoffs, I'd start O'Connell (like 2-4 weeks from now if the team isn't better, not late in the season). He actually didn't play that poorly if you watch the whole LAC game, yes the fumbles were bad, but the OL completely let him down, and as the game went on, he played better. I think even GM Dave Ziegler knows JG isn't the answer, if you look at the contract. It makes him easy to cut at the end of the season with a small cap hit.

You bring up a good point about McDaniels and Davis. They say they get along good. But if you look at that FG, you had one of the best kickers in the business missing a long kick that was partially blocked. What was Mark Davis so mad about? If he was mad at McDaniels (or Carlson), I'd like an explanation too.

I think if Belicheck is fired there are two candidates to replace him. The first is Jarrod Mayo. But he's been very quiet about this possibility. The other is indeed McDaniels, and from what I can tell, he left NE on very good terms. So, who knows? Regardless of what Josh ever says, I'm 99% certain he'd much rather be the HC in New England than Las Vegas.

I agree with the others that it's possible if Bill is kept on, he's likely to be stripped of his GM, and most all player personnel duties, and "given time to just focus on being what he does best: coach", or some story like that.
You can see why the 49ers let Jimmy go Jimmy must drive his coaches crazy with some of his bonehead plays Not to say that he can't be good but the inconsistency is bothersome for such an experienced player. So far the 49ers have made all the right moves. They moved Lance, let Jimmy go and have showed faith in Purdy even with a huge amount of criticism from the media and fan base over the handling of Lance and doubts about Purdy. If Jimmy G loses his starters job at Vegas it will probably be his last one and his future then looks more like Darnold's or Dalton's. He will never get as bad as Wentz...........probably.

Dak is another who could be in trouble with the Cowboys running into a tougher part of their schedule. At 3-2 their playoff chances don't look set in stone either. Simply put, Garrett got more out of Dak than McCarthy has so far. Their defense has flattered them this season and even that got obliterated in the losses to the Cards and Niners while the offense has looked stagnant when they are not getting turnovers. There has to be real doubts that Dak gets extended for even more money next season even though Jerry is pledging eternal loyalty ! Cousins will also be out there and the Vikings will try to avoid overpaying an aging QB. It didn't work for Denver so far but next season might be the time for the Vikings to move on as they are moving closer to rebuild mode anyway.
 
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Jimmy was supposed to NOT do what Derek Carr did in Vegas: Take too many risks, throw too many picks. But their numbers are almost identical Carr last year to JG this year, even though they don't play the same way, really. The next stretch of games for the Raiders are several winnable ones. This will be a real acid test for both him, and McDaniels.

I honestly am starting to wonder how much longer Garoppolo will be in the league. He's just 31, but I suspect his injuries are starting to add up, compound inside his psyche. I think he's trying to do his best now, try to win, earn some money, but it won't surprise me if after his next injury, or he's benched, maybe a year or two as a seasoned back-up he calls it quits.

Interesting how you mention Dak, as I think he's in a similar boat. I'm not sure Lance is the solution there, but obviously when Dallas grabbed him it had to be a message. Dallas is better than LV, and in a better place as a complete team. But it's starting to look a little like Dak may not be their future. Jerry isn't loyal any more than he was to Zeke. And I'll be really surprised if they extend Dak. So, is it Lance? The only way to tell may be to play him, see if he develops. But when is that? Only Jerry and McCarthey know.

Lynch and Shanahan have indeed done a very good job of moving forward. I think Purdy/Lance is the best example. They got Purdy, knew he was the guy, and instead of doubling down, tripling down, wondering what to do with Lance after giving up all those draft picks and taking him so high, they simply moved on from him and didn't look back. That takes some grit. You mentioned Darnold, he's basically been playing garbage time, but he's looked like the game manager people foolishly accuse Purdy of being, and Sam seems comfortable in that role.

Tonight's game isn't if KC will beat Denver, but by how many points. 20? 30? (I'm not joking).
 
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