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Just watched the condensed game of Denver-Chicago. Fields played well for 3 quarters. He made some very good throws, and one wizard like escape and throw. It was like all of a sudden, there he was, the guy everyone expected. But as the game got tight, he made two costly mistakes late, and seemed to cave under pressure. He was holding the ball too long, I think trying to find the biggest play on the field, and he seemed to get happy feet. Chicago also made a huge blunder not kicking a 35yd FG with 3 minutes to go with the game tied. But their D also struggled as the game went along. Fields last interception was a badly forced throw.

Wilson was almost the opposite. For 3Q he threw almost only screens, slants, and checkdown throws. The few passes more than about 15 yards made you hold your breath, and one should have been picked. But in the last two Denver drives, he made a couple key throws to guys downfield and for just that clutch time looked like the old Russ.

The bottom line to me though is the Bears lost this game. In 4Q their D was on the field too long. Fields seemed to lose his grove and honestly played poorly late, and that decision to not kick the FG was a big blunder.

Edit: I'm actually one of the people who think RG3 would have been a top tier QB in the NFL had he not gotten hurt. Once his knee was thrashed in that game he shouldn't have even been playing in that was it. One single sensational rookie of the year season. Then, career basically over.
 
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Nah, it was a bad call. And the previous play KC didn't get called for offensive holding, which was 50/50. However, that didn't turn the game. All anyone had to do is watch the Chiefs final two drives and see the Jets had plenty of chances to stop them, and Mahomes and KC's receivers beat them, several times. The fumble by Zach in the Jets drive late also really hurt them. Can't blame refs for any of that.

One more thought on New England. They have maybe the worst receiving group in the NFL. They have no real playmakers (TEN and ATL maybe worse). From what stats I can dig up, they also have one of the worst OLs in the league when it comes to pass protection. Las Vegas and Carolina may be worse right now. And right now Cincy is worse, but mostly because Burrow is a damn statue and shouldn't be playing. That's a lot stacked against Mac Jones, or Billy Zappe for that matter. But to have Zappe come off the practice squad and simply bring more life to the offense than Jones is very telling for Jones career. I also have concluded Rex Ryan was right, Jones maybe has the weakest arm in the NFL.

I just sat through the condensed version of Houston beating the snot out of Pittsburgh. TJ Watt was invisible, the Steelers didn't seem to want to tackle a lot. And their OL was bad every other down. But here was the corker: the Texans were also playing without 3 starters on their OL, and yet, even after Houston got off to a good start, the Steelers almost refused to blitz. I saw very few plays where they rushed more than 4 lineman, and almost never faked blitzing. They were up against a rookie QB who is not known for being mobile, or performing under pressure, and yet, they let him walk all over them. Credit to Houston. They looked well coached, well drilled, and Stroud right now looks like the best QB taken in the draft, without question. Sharp throws, good decision making. He's settling in quite well there. If you watch the 10 minute highlights on NFL.com they make the game look somewhat close. It wasn't, at all.
 
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KC blasted out of the gates, got bored and then had to battle to pull it off.

Note: too many talking heads complaining that "it wasn't holding", fine ,it wasn't holding, but it was pass interference so either way...
Chiefs get away with that all the time plus their offensive interference and pick plays. Just when you’re the established team/player you get more slack. But Jets had some iffy penalties go their way as well, it’s just been consistent in the Chiefs tight games they have an interception get an annulled by a bad call.

Nor was it the main reason the Jets lost. Jets offense kept fumbling their chances the defense gave them until that penalty took all the air out of the defense. Jets had the dropped touchdown that they settled for a field goal, long field goal miss on fourth and one, Wilson fumble, and bad drives. The penalty was the final nail in the coffin, but something that defines bad teams in that they find different ways to lose. Swap quarterbacks and I’m sure the defense doesn’t get deflated like that after the penalty since they know they still have a chance with Mahomes.



Rex Ryan brought up again, besides Jones weak arm, that Pats have no receiver that can get separation and that’s something that’s plagued New England since Brady’s final year and hasn’t gotten better. They can’t get separation and they’re not getting schemed open like Reid does post Hill. Combine that with a weaker arm, bad Oline, and inconsistent run game and you’re not going to do well. Makes me wonder how long until Bill is taken off the reigns as GM.
 
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But who are they going to get to replace him? And is that person going to really do that much better? Lots of Raider fans are "Karens" and want McDaniels fired (and GM Ziegler, and Mark Davis to sell, etc.). But the Raiders don't have much of a team either. And who would they hire to replace him? Gruden? LOL!
At the end of season, they can start interviewing candidates for the job (there will be plenty of coordinators & retread HC candidates. Lol).

In the meantime, you fire Eberflus & appoint one of the coordinators as interim coach. You have to stop the bleeding here. Yesterday's loss was egregious:

Tied for the biggest blown lead in franchise history.

14 game losing streak- longest in franchise history.


First 0-4 start in 23 years.

And I've heard reports that Eberflus has lost the locker room & players aren't listening to him anymore. And it wouldn't be the first time a coach was fired during the season of his 2nd year. Your coaching favorite McDaniels was fired in the latter half of his 2nd season when he coached the Broncos back in the Tebow era (and if the Raiders don't turn it around quickly, he could be fired again during the season).
 
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The bottom line to me though is the Bears lost this game. In 4Q their D was on the field too long. Fields seemed to lose his grove and honestly played poorly late, and that decision to not kick the FG was a big blunder.
It's all on Fields. People are going to remember him throwing the game losing pick to Jackson than his great performance in the first 3 qtrs. He gets the ball at his own 25. He's got a buck 45 & 1 TO. He needs a FG to tie & a score more than likely would have won the game. And you know a buck 45 - even with no timeouts - is an eternity for an elite QB to at the very least get into chip shot FG range.

And this is not a rookie QB or some low-round drafted stiff that's lucky to make the 53. We're talking about the 11th OA pick & a 3rd year starter! It's inexcusable that he couldn't - at the very least - get the team in FG range.
 
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Chiefs get away with that all the time plus their offensive interference and pick plays. Just when you’re the established team/player you get more slack. But Jets had some iffy penalties go their way as well, it’s just been consistent in the Chiefs tight games they have an interception get an annulled by a bad call.

Nor was it the main reason the Jets lost. Jets offense kept fumbling their chances the defense gave them until that penalty took all the air out of the defense. Jets had the dropped touchdown that they settled for a field goal, long field goal miss on fourth and one, Wilson fumble, and bad drives. The penalty was the final nail in the coffin, but something that defines bad teams in that they find different ways to lose. Swap quarterbacks and I’m sure the defense doesn’t get deflated like that after the penalty since they know they still have a chance with Mahomes.



Rex Ryan brought up again, besides Jones weak arm, that Pats have no receiver that can get separation and that’s something that’s plagued New England since Brady’s final year and hasn’t gotten better. They can’t get separation and they’re not getting schemed open like Reid does post Hill. Combine that with a weaker arm, bad Oline, and inconsistent run game and you’re not going to do well. Makes me wonder how long until Bill is taken off the reigns as GM.
It seems when Mahomes has an ordinary game, the Chiefs little fast guys show up and make some timely runs. Wilson had a better game but the whole game was sloppy from both sides. A couple of points margin was no surprise. The fumble was unfortunate for the Jets, maybe they snapped it too early ? Kansas have a habit of winning those types of games which is why they are regulars in the playoffs.
 
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Nah, it was a bad call. And the previous play KC didn't get called for offensive holding, which was 50/50. However, that didn't turn the game. All anyone had to do is watch the Chiefs final two drives and see the Jets had plenty of chances to stop them, and Mahomes and KC's receivers beat them, several times. The fumble by Zach in the Jets drive late also really hurt them. Can't blame refs for any of that.

One more thought on New England. They have maybe the worst receiving group in the NFL. They have no real playmakers (TEN and ATL maybe worse). From what stats I can dig up, they also have one of the worst OLs in the league when it comes to pass protection. Las Vegas and Carolina may be worse right now. And right now Cincy is worse, but mostly because Burrow is a damn statue and shouldn't be playing. That's a lot stacked against Mac Jones, or Billy Zappe for that matter. But to have Zappe come off the practice squad and simply bring more life to the offense than Jones is very telling for Jones career. I also have concluded Rex Ryan was right, Jones maybe has the weakest arm in the NFL.

I just sat through the condensed version of Houston beating the snot out of Pittsburgh. TJ Watt was invisible, the Steelers didn't seem to want to tackle a lot. And their OL was bad every other down. But here was the corker: the Texans were also playing without 3 starters on their OL, and yet, even after Houston got off to a good start, the Steelers almost refused to blitz. I saw very few plays where they rushed more than 4 lineman, and almost never faked blitzing. They were up against a rookie QB who is not known for being mobile, or performing under pressure, and yet, they let him walk all over them. Credit to Houston. They looked well coached, well drilled, and Stroud right now looks like the best QB taken in the draft, without question. Sharp throws, good decision making. He's settling in quite well there. If you watch the 10 minute highlights on NFL.com they make the game look somewhat close. It wasn't, at all.
I wonder how much longer Bill B will go, and I wonder how much longer Tomlin will be with the Steelers if they miss the playoffs again even though he does have an outstanding record. The Steelers were one of the most hyped teams in the off season while no one was talking about the Buccs. The Patriots haven't looked good for quite a while now, I think the shake up is not too far away. The Bears seem hapless and if the season continues as is, the GM and coach are probably the first casualties. Some Bears fans are already wearing paper bags on their heads ! Reminds me of the worst of the Browns bad run re Hue Jackson. while the new Cards coach has them playing hard albeit with a depleted roster. Be interesting to see what happens when Murray returns.
 
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I can see Tomlin there in Pittsburgh for a long time. That's how the Steelers org works. I also think the team will rebound from this game. If Tomlin were somehow fired he'd have a job tomorrow, somewhere. And if he didn't have a HC job this season, he'd be first hired after black monday. He's done remarkably well with average players.
At the end of season, they can start interviewing candidates for the job (there will be plenty of coordinators & retread HC candidates. Lol).
A lot of idiotic Raider fans think McDaniels is the problem. But they could get almost anyone in there and it would translate to maybe 1 more win. The team isn't playing awful. They aren't. They just don't have the players, especially in the trenches. The team has an OL that last year was good at run blocking, and so-so in pass protection, but lost their RG and is worse at both this year, and they have no depth. Their DL has one very good player (Crosby), that's it. They have two LBs who are good tacklers, but none are good in coverage. They have an aging CB who was good years ago but is average now (Peters), and so far safety Epps, who was a key element of the Eagles secondary, has missed several plays and tackles. The D is slightly better than last year, but only slightly.

They have an above average QB, who is hurt a lot (JG10), and a very good receiving group, but those guys don't seem in sync with JG. Maybe because he missed most of camp and preseason with his foot injury? They have a good RB in Jacobs, but the OL has taken a step back from last year.

Vince Lombardi could come back from the dead and maybe the Raiders would have finished 7-10 last year instead of 6-11. Maybe they'd be 2-2 now instead of 1-3. But there are a lot of dreamy Raider fans who think the team has the same roster as the 49ers or something, and if only they'd fire McDaniels, and hire Bisaccia back, or Gruden back (the team sucked then too, worse), or hire Jim Harbaugh, or Nick Saben, or anyone, anyone at all, they would somehow win a slew of games. These same people were screaming for the Raiders to fire McDaniel's to hire Sean Payton. Like that would have lead to a slew of wins. Right. Look at how great the Broncos are now. Not happening with this roster.

I'm not so sure Mark Davis will fire McDaniels though for some time. Here's why. He saw what his father did after his dad traded Gruden away. There was a revolving door of coaches every other year, and none of them improved much from the previous guy. Mark also hastily refused to pay Bill Musgrave to be OC when he was the guy Carr worked with. Then Mark hastily fired Del Rio when that didn't work, and hastily hired Gruden, which didn't work, at all. He'd also have to fire Dave Ziegler with McDaniels, as they came as a package. That would likely take another few years to work it's way through with whomever he hires. So, you can't just hit that reset button year over year and expect a different result. It won't happen.
 
I think you nailed it, except when Jones did try to throw, he had no time.

Nice to see Jamal Adams back, and though he was pulled due to a potential concussion, Pete said he was fine and should be back next week. Had one really good tackle.

Think depth doesn't mean anything in the NFL? Both Seattle and NY were playing with several back-up players on their OL. The Giants gave up 11 sacks, and Jones was pressured all night. The Giants however were only able to pressure Geno on a handful of plays. Drew Lock looked quite good the few plays he was in.

Having a lot of players out hurts, Barkley out too. But the Giants are one of the worst teams in the NFL right now.
 
I think you nailed it, except when Jones did try to throw, he had no time.

Nice to see Jamal Adams back, and though he was pulled due to a potential concussion, Pete said he was fine and should be back next week. Had one really good tackle.

Think depth doesn't mean anything in the NFL? Both Seattle and NY were playing with several back-up players on their OL. The Giants gave up 11 sacks, and Jones was pressured all night. The Giants however were only able to pressure Geno on a handful of plays. Drew Lock looked quite good the few plays he was in.

Having a lot of players out hurts, Barkley out too. But the Giants are one of the worst teams in the NFL right now.
Yes the Giants O line was terrible but they are awful across the board at the moment, how they beat the Cards I don't know. Burrow playing injured isn't working for the Bengals either.
 
SEA with the win!

What a sloppy game!

Plus: Good for Lock to get some game time. Gino not serious injured.
Minus: Adams

I agree with Gino that a defender doesn't have to hang on a guy who is already coasting out of bounds. A shove just to let them know that they could hit them and to make sure that they are going out is all that is needed (especially in the era of protecting players more).
 
I think you nailed it, except when Jones did try to throw, he had no time.

Nice to see Jamal Adams back, and though he was pulled due to a potential concussion, Pete said he was fine and should be back next week. Had one really good tackle.

Think depth doesn't mean anything in the NFL? Both Seattle and NY were playing with several back-up players on their OL. The Giants gave up 11 sacks, and Jones was pressured all night. The Giants however were only able to pressure Geno on a handful of plays. Drew Lock looked quite good the few plays he was in.

Having a lot of players out hurts, Barkley out too. But the Giants are one of the worst teams in the NFL right now.
On a positive note; the MVP of the game was the Rookie Witherspoon. First round Russell Wilson gift from Denver. 6, er correction @ 8 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 int (one for picsix) and all from a CB. Thanks, Russ!
 
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A lot of idiotic Raider fans think McDaniels is the problem. But they could get almost anyone in there and it would translate to maybe 1 more win. The team isn't playing awful. They aren't. They just don't have the players, especially in the trenches. The team has an OL that last year was good at run blocking, and so-so in pass protection, but lost their RG and is worse at both this year, and they have no depth. Their DL has one very good player (Crosby), that's it. They have two LBs who are good tacklers, but none are good in coverage. They have an aging CB who was good years ago but is average now (Peters), and so far safety Epps, who was a key element of the Eagles secondary, has missed several plays and tackles. The D is slightly better than last year, but only slightly.

They have an above average QB, who is hurt a lot (JG10), and a very good receiving group, but those guys don't seem in sync with JG. Maybe because he missed most of camp and preseason with his foot injury? They have a good RB in Jacobs, but the OL has taken a step back from last year.
You're forgetting one key aspect here: McDaniels is a loser. As you know his first HC coaching gig with Denver in 2009 was a disaster: 11-17 .393 (6-11/3-9) in a little less than 2 yrs (he was fired after week #13). I know that McDaniels' supporters will say that he was too young (33) & not ready to be a HC, and that Bowlen just took a wild gamble on him. Okay...fine, but fast forward 12 yrs later to his 2nd stint here with Raiders & he's now 47 yrs old & more experienced. His report card so far: 7-14 (6-11/1-3) going into his 2nd yr at the helm.

A coach is simply judged by his win-loss column. His coaching record is his resume & defines his success or failure as a HC. Owners don't care about "moral victories," "good losses" or that the coach is "real good with the media," etc. They also don't care if the coach whines that he didn't have any talent or that he has a crap QB. They care about wins & making the playoffs - as they should in the world of professional sports.

In my commute the other day, I was listening to a recent interview with Robert Kraft who clearly stated that the objective with the Patriots is to make the playoffs every year. When pressed as to the future of Bilichick, he sidestepped the question and reiterated that he would be very disappointed if they didn't make the playoffs this year.

But since the season is young, maybe McDaniels will turn things around & miraculously make the playoffs, or at the very least have a winning season & buy himself another year. Shanahan's first 2 seasons (2017/18) at SF were bad...real bad: 6-10 & 4-12. Though he rode his dad's coattails for much of his early coaching career - he was given a 3rd year - and boom: 13-3 & a trip to the SB! Shanahan is now considered a top NFL coach, and though he doesn't have a SB win (yet) - his 7 yr coaching record is an acceptable 56-46 (.548) with a couple of NFC championship game appearances to boot.

So, if McDaniels can't turn it around this year - what does Al's kid do? Give him that 3rd year or move on?

And the natives are restless (Davis better get a bodyguard. Lol)

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/CQeY_EG1Je0?si=EF9UER6Mj9K9vSV3
 
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You're forgetting one key aspect here: McDaniels is a loser...

A coach is simply judged by his win-loss column.
True, but what if they don't have the players? Raiders have a lot of holes, and many are where it matters on a down to down basis - at the line of scrimmage. But I'm only going to defend McDaniels so much. The Raiders have something like the 6th highest offensive payroll, but aren't putting up many points. Garappolo looked out of sync with his receivers half the time, and this is a highly paid receiver corps. This week Aiden O'Connell started and looked decent, though the OL couldn't protect him. But even then, from what I understand Garappolo was 40/60% to play all week. But during the same week, McDaniels still had O'Connell 3rd string behind Hoyer - until Saturday when the decision was made that O'Connell would "probably" start. How does that help O'Connell? He was surprisingly good for a rookie, and may be the team's future QB, but how does this help him? Or the team? What kind of planning or head coaching is that? This is the kind of thing you see in Division III college. Though when the offense did get going with him, especially in the second half, several plays looked like they worked, like there was something positive that exists with the passing game, if they can pass block.

Raiders also made too many mistakes. Missed tackles, some dumb penalties. They weren't terrible, but this isn't how you win, and this lack of discipline, and cohesion has to fall at least somewhat to the HC and coaching staff.

Not very strangely regarding what I just said, McDaniels is coaching like he'd make a really good offensive coordinator somewhere. Especially if he had a solid veteran leader at QB. Not like a HC. And that could indeed be his undoing. But if that's going to be the case, and he's going to be fired and head back to New England, tail between his legs (again), the Raiders need to think real hard about who they are going to hire to replace him and what that future looks like. Just canning him for emotional reasons, close losses to good teams, then hoping this time, somehow, some way, you'll find someone, and the table flip will magically work, that's an even worse recipe for disaster.
 
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True, but what if they don't have the players? Raiders have a lot of holes, and many are where it matters on a down to down basis - at the line of scrimmage. But I'm only going to defend McDaniels so much. The Raiders have something like the 6th highest offensive payroll, but aren't putting up many points. Garappolo looked out of sync with his receivers half the time, and this is a highly paid receiver corps. This week Aiden O'Connell started and looked decent, though the OL couldn't protect him. But even then, from what I understand Garappolo was 40/60% to play all week. But during the same week, McDaniels still had O'Connell 3rd string behind Hoyer - until Saturday when the decision was made that O'Connell would "probably" start. How does that help O'Connell? He was surprisingly good for a rookie, and may be the team's future QB, but how does this help him? Or the team? What kind of planning or head coaching is that? This is the kind of thing you see in Division III college. Though when the offense did get going with him, especially in the second half, several plays looked like they worked, like there was something positive that exists with the passing game, if they can pass block.

Raiders also made too many mistakes. Missed tackles, some dumb penalties. They weren't terrible, but this isn't how you win, and this lack of discipline, and cohesion has to fall at least somewhat to the HC and coaching staff.

Not very strangely regarding what I just said, McDaniels is coaching like he'd make a really good offensive coordinator somewhere. Especially if he had a solid veteran leader at QB. Not like a HC. And that could indeed be his undoing. But if that's going to be the case, and he's going to be fired and head back to New England, tail between his legs (again), the Raiders need to think real hard about who they are going to hire to replace him and what that future looks like. Just canning him for emotional reasons, close losses to good teams, then hoping this time, somehow, some way, you'll find someone, and the table flip will magically work, that's an even worse recipe for disaster.
Jimmy G is a notorious slow starter especially when coming off injury. I still think he will improve. With a few less mistakes they could have won that game. The rookie QB was okay but it's not the preseason anymore as the Steelers have also found out.................how the Bears lost the the Denver game is anyone's guess. No wonder the Bears fans looked forlorn after the game.
 
True, but what if they don't have the players?
Well...they canned Lovie Smith after one season last year at Houston and he had absolutely NO players. Lol.

And it's up to these coaches to find the players. They want to walk on water & act like God's gift to coaching - then they should be able find good players.

C'mon man...they're paid millions of $$$ to do more than just stand on the sidelines with a play chart smashed up against their face or give cheesy post-game interviews. Lol.

What are they doing during the off-season? Effin around laying on the beach admiring their bank account? Shouldn't they be working their as* off evaluating & getting the best players possible?

McDaniels has been with the Raiders for 2 yrs now - plenty of time to find good players. He proclaims to be an offensive expert- so why he doesn't have better players on the O? Does he just want the limelight of being an NFL HC?

And fans need to quit feeling sorry for these narcissistic coaches that get fired. Like you said, if McDaniels gets fired his old job at the Pats is just waiting for him. In fact, most of these head coaches fired already have coordinator jobs waited for them before they even finish cleaning out their office! Lol.

Remember Kingsbury? The golden boy that was brought in from the college ranks to lead Arizona to the promised land. Well...he wasn't unemployed long - he's now the "Senior Offensive Analyst" & QB coach for USC working under Lincoln Riley. That job pays about a couple hundred thousand - plus all the $$$ Arizona owes him on his contract. Lol.

The life of an NFL coach is heaven sent.
 
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No one should feel bad for Kingsbury. He had one of the sweetest contracts, fully paid. After being quickly fired (and still getting all that money) he and his model girlfriend headed to a tropical island for several months. If McDaniels is fired, I won't feel bad for him for a second. I just think teams are foolish if they believe a coach can magically flip a switch and all of a sudden everyone plays great. Like I said, look at Sean Payton in Denver. Heck, look at when the Raiders hired Jon Gruden back!
 
The Cardinals had a possible SB winning team for a while there under Arians with lots of talent but couldn't get it done in the playoffs. When they had a to find a replacement for Palmer they ended up getting Murray with an early draft pick. The early signs were good but now with Murray getting regularly injured, a shrinking talent pool and a QB with a questionable locker room presence, they are back to square one with a new young coach who at least has them playing hard. Now he has the job of rebuilding through the draft and seeing what will come out of Murray's eventual return. They look like being possible spoiler material this season for potential playoff teams.
 
They already spoiled a game for the Cowboys with some motivated play. This week's game for them is at home against the Bengals. Burrow has reportedly said he now feels the best he has all season, but you'd hardly know watching last week's game. Who knows what magic elixir they gave him, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Bears play the Commanders tomorrow. Before the season started, on paper one would think the Bears would have won this game. Now?

All four teams in the AFC South are currently 2-2.
 
They already spoiled a game for the Cowboys with some motivated play. This week's game for them is at home against the Bengals. Burrow has reportedly said he now feels the best he has all season, but you'd hardly know watching last week's game. Who knows what magic elixir they gave him, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Bears play the Commanders tomorrow. Before the season started, on paper one would think the Bears would have won this game. Now?

All four teams in the AFC South are currently 2-2.
I'm sure the Bengals back up QB couldn't be any worse than the Browns back up who looked pretty awful last week. Burrow can hardly move by the looks of it and his elite WR barely touched the ball and looked pretty unhappy during the game.
 
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That QB for Cleveland was Dorian Thompson-Robinson (DTR for short), a rookie who had played quite well in the pre-season. He has an NFL arm for sure, but he did indeed look completely overwhelmed. Being a rookie in his first game, he gets a pass.

Bears absolutely flattening the Commanders at halftime. Stunning really how well Chicago is playing, and how bad Washington is playing.

RIP Dick Butkus. The best there ever was, from a different era.