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[Potomac]

Above I had list of HoF QB's showing you don't need have top 1st round pick to get one.

That list was made by somebody else.

Proving the point further
I started a list of every QB that won or lost a superbowl

QB	SB wins	Pick overall
Aaron Rodgers	1	24
Bart Starr	2	200
Ben Roethlisberger	2	11
Bob Griese	2	4
Brad Johnson	1	227
Brett Favre	1	33
Doug Williams	1	17
Drew Brees	1	32
Eli Manning	2	1
Jeff Hostetler	1	59
Jim McMahon	1	5
Jim Plunkett	2	1
Joe Flacco	1	18
Joe Montana	4	82
Joe Namath	1	12
Joe Theismann	1	99
John Elway	2	1
Johnny Unitas	1	102
Ken Stabler	1	52
Kurt Warner	1	999
Len Dawson	1	5
Mark Rypien	1	146
Matthew Stafford	1	1
Nick Foles	1	88
Patrick Mahomes	3	10
Peyton Manning	2	1
Phil Simms	1	7
Roger Staubach	2	129
Russell Wilson	1	75
Steve Young	1	1 (supplemental draft)
Terry Bradshaw	4	1
Tom Brady	7	undrafted !
Trent Dilfer	1	6
Troy Aikman	3	1

I have run out of steam for Super QB losses (implying at least a conference championship) and what round they were drafted.

QB	SB Losses	Pick overall
Ben Roethlisberger	1
Billy Kilmer	1
Bob Griese	1
Boomer Esiason	1
Brett Favre	1
Brock Purdy	1
Cam Newton	1
Chris Chandler	1
Colin Kaepernick	1
Craig Morton	2
Dan Marino	1
Daryle Lamonica	1
David Woodley	1
Donovan McNabb	1
Drew Bledsoe	1
Earl Morrall	1
Fran Tarkenton	3
Jake Delhomme	1
Jalen Hurts	1
Jared Goff	1
Jim Kelly	4
Jimmy Garoppolo	1
Joe Burrow	1
Joe Kapp	1
Joe Theismann	1
John Elway	3
Ken Anderson	1
Kerry Collins	1
Kurt Warner	2
Len Dawson	1
Matt Hasselbeck	1
Matt Ryan	1
Neil O'Donnell	1
Patrick Mahomes	1
Peyton Manning	2
Rex Grossman	1
Rich Gannon	1
Roger Staubach	2
Ron Jaworski	1
Russell Wilson	1
Stan Humphries	1
Steve McNair	1
Tom Brady	3
Tony Eason	1
Vince Ferragamo	1

Joe Kapp's path to a Superbowl appearance was pretty interesting and a time sink.

 

[Potomac]

Lots of Chargers as a percentage

Very true.
It is ironic their one superbowl appearance was led by QB Stan Humpries, drafted 159th overall.

I was always a fan of Humphries since is looked promising when he began with the Redskins, before getting picked up by the Chargers. The redskins even hid him on the practice team for 1988 season by claiming he had blood disease, which he didn't.

 

[Unchained]

Very true.
It is ironic their one superbowl appearance was led by QB Stan Humpries, drafted 159th overall.

I was always a fan of Humphries since is looked promising when he began with the Redskins, before getting picked up by the Chargers. The redskins even hid him on the practice team for 1988 season by claiming he had blood disease, which he didn't.

Today is tough for me.. I want to see Daniels go on to next level.. Also like many things about the Eagles.. Want to see Josh Allen win for a variety of reasons.. Also love the style of play for Kansas City.. I will be happy with whatever happens, after all someone has to lose.
For car and motorcycle racing licenses you have to do a bunch of qualifying events before you can do mass start events. So it's basically a time trial and in San Diego most widely used races were held in the parking lot of Jack Murphy stadium.. I was doing motorcycle event, started after cars..strange mix of cars, lots of Mazda Miatas and other small cars..was standing watching cars and Stan Humphries was a participant..don't know if he did anything with car racing. Also a couple of other Chargers and Padres did the race events.. Walter Payton also dabbled in racing.. Don't know how successful he was..

 

[Nomad]

Above I had list of HoF QB's showing you don't need have top 1st round pick to get one.

That list was made by somebody else.

Proving the point further
I started a list of every QB that won or lost a superbowl

QB	SB wins	Pick overall
Aaron Rodgers	1	24
Bart Starr	2	200
Ben Roethlisberger	2	11
Bob Griese	2	4
Brad Johnson	1	227
Brett Favre	1	33
Doug Williams	1	17
Drew Brees	1	32
Eli Manning	2	1
Jeff Hostetler	1	59
Jim McMahon	1	5
Jim Plunkett	2	1
Joe Flacco	1	18
Joe Montana	4	82
Joe Namath	1	12
Joe Theismann	1	99
John Elway	2	1
Johnny Unitas	1	102
Ken Stabler	1	52
Kurt Warner	1	999
Len Dawson	1	5
Mark Rypien	1	146
Matthew Stafford	1	1
Nick Foles	1	88
Patrick Mahomes	3	10
Peyton Manning	2	1
Phil Simms	1	7
Roger Staubach	2	129
Russell Wilson	1	75
Steve Young	1	1 (supplemental draft)
Terry Bradshaw	4	1
Tom Brady	7	undrafted !
Trent Dilfer	1	6
Troy Aikman	3	1

I have run out of steam for Super QB losses (implying at least a conference championship) and what round they were drafted.

QB	SB Losses	Pick overall
Ben Roethlisberger	1
Billy Kilmer	1
Bob Griese	1
Boomer Esiason	1
Brett Favre	1
Brock Purdy	1
Cam Newton	1
Chris Chandler	1
Colin Kaepernick	1
Craig Morton	2
Dan Marino	1
Daryle Lamonica	1
David Woodley	1
Donovan McNabb	1
Drew Bledsoe	1
Earl Morrall	1
Fran Tarkenton	3
Jake Delhomme	1
Jalen Hurts	1
Jared Goff	1
Jim Kelly	4
Jimmy Garoppolo	1
Joe Burrow	1
Joe Kapp	1
Joe Theismann	1
John Elway	3
Ken Anderson	1
Kerry Collins	1
Kurt Warner	2
Len Dawson	1
Matt Hasselbeck	1
Matt Ryan	1
Neil O'Donnell	1
Patrick Mahomes	1
Peyton Manning	2
Rex Grossman	1
Rich Gannon	1
Roger Staubach	2
Ron Jaworski	1
Russell Wilson	1
Stan Humphries	1
Steve McNair	1
Tom Brady	3
Tony Eason	1
Vince Ferragamo	1

Joe Kapp's path to a Superbowl appearance was pretty interesting and a time sink.

Nice graph, but it doesn't change the point I made earlier that the majority of HOFers & SB winning QBs are drafted in the 1st rd with a select few in the 2nd rd. Your first graph shows 65% meet that criteria (22/34).

How about this one for you: With the exception of Pittsburgh (Wilson), all the QBs on the playoff teams this year were 1st rd picks with one 2nd rd (Hurts).

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

But there are also a heap of QBs who get drafted high, and never amount to anything more than a wasted draft pick. You're almost taking the angle that all one has to do is take a high 1st round draft pick to win. As if there is never any downside to doing so.

If they're not going to pursue Fields, the Raiders need to find a top QB or the "Great Pete Carroll" will fail.

You think Fields is that good? I don't. In fact, I think the Raiders could go further with Aiden O'Connell than Fields.

If you think it's that much of an issue that Pete find a QB immediately, who do you think is out there that will immediately perform? Darnold? You can't really think Fields is that good.

He won & was successful at Seattle because of Russell Wilson...period.

Legion of Doom? Just average guys you think? Like in that Super Bowl they won against Denver and Peyton Manning when the Broncos had one of the most high powered offenses in NFL history.

His first two years there without Wilson drafted yet (Hasselbeck & T. Jackson) were back to back 7-9 campaigns with one postseason appearance losing in that WC round (one & done).

Wrong. Look it up again. They won a playoff game and got to the divisional round. They fell behind the Bears 35-10 in the 4Q, but refused to give up and launched a furious comeback, coming close to winning the game.

Not saying Wilson wasn't good. He was damn good in his first several years in Seattle, before his ego went through the ceiling. But he wasn't the only reason they won games, like Pete was an average coach, lucky to have Wilson. I don't buy that.

I do however agree pursuing another QB will be key. And like you, I would take a flyer on Zach Wilson. With the right coach (like Pete), I think he could thrive. Just look at last year's pre-season. He also won more games for the Jets than Aaron Rodgers.

I'm not quite as high on Sanders and Ward as you are. This seems to me like the year Winston & Mariotta came into the league. Or EJ Manuel and Geno Smith. Or the year Kenny Pickett was taken. Theses guys will be expected to start very early, week 1, and I'm not so sure either will pan out. They could end up starters, sure. But not the franchise guy some people think. I have doubts.

All the day two guys will go somewhere and sit. Ewers, Howard, Gabriel, Milroe, Dart. For the Raiders specifically, would any of these be perceived as better than O'Connell?

If I were the Raiders I would not however pursue Sam Darnold. I don't think he's worth the huge paycheck he's likely to get from some desperate team.

Regarding Stan Humphries, he was really a game manager plus. He played well in some big games (sans the SB, but it was their defense that caved), but he was never at the elite level.

 

[Potomac]

I am too hyped up watching washington philly

 

[Potomac]

After 9 quarters of playoff games, the washington punter has 1 punt and 1 pass completion.

 

[Unchained]

But there are also a heap of QBs who get drafted high, and never amount to anything more than a wasted draft pick. You're almost taking the angle that all one has to do is take a high 1st round draft pick to win. As if there is never any downside to doing so.

You think Fields is that good? I don't. In fact, I think the Raiders could go further with Aiden O'Connell than Fields.

If you think it's that much of an issue that Pete find a QB immediately, who do you think is out there that will immediately perform? Darnold? You can't really think Fields is that good.

Legion of Doom? Just average guys you think? Like in that Super Bowl they won against Denver and Peyton Manning when the Broncos had one of the most high powered offenses in NFL history.

Wrong. Look it up again. They won a playoff game and got to the divisional round. They fell behind the Bears 35-10 in the 4Q, but refused to give up and launched a furious comeback, coming close to winning the game.

Not saying Wilson wasn't good. He was damn good in his first several years in Seattle, before his ego went through the ceiling. But he wasn't the only reason they won games, like Pete was an average coach, lucky to have Wilson. I don't buy that.

I do however agree pursuing another QB will be key. And like you, I would take a flyer on Zach Wilson. With the right coach (like Pete), I think he could thrive. Just look at last year's pre-season. He also won more games for the Jets than Aaron Rodgers.

I'm not quite as high on Sanders and Ward as you are. This seems to me like the year Winston & Mariotta came into the league. Or EJ Manuel and Geno Smith. Or the year Kenny Pickett was taken. Theses guys will be expected to start very early, week 1, and I'm not so sure either will pan out. They could end up starters, sure. But not the franchise guy some people think. I have doubts.

All the day two guys will go somewhere and sit. Ewers, Howard, Gabriel, Milroe, Dart. For the Raiders specifically, would any of these be perceived as better than O'Connell?

If I were the Raiders I would not however pursue Sam Darnold. I don't think he's worth the huge paycheck he's likely to get from some desperate team.

Regarding Stan Humphries, he was really a game manager plus. He played well in some big games (sans the SB, but it was their defense that caved), but he was never at the elite level.

You should be forced to disclose if you are a family member of Zach Wilson or someone in your family is married into Zach Wilson family..

 

[jmdirt]

Entertaining enough half of football.
-Neither team should have gone for 2.
--If any team (s) should, I would say these two, but not in the 1srt half.
-WAS 2 TOs!

 

[Unchained]

After 9 quarters of playoff games, the washington punter has 1 punt and 1 pass completion.

I think I can hear you yelling at your TV from where I am sitting in San Diego!! Washington making too many unforced errors, gotta clean it up and protect the football if they have any chance. Commanders secondary needs to step up..

 

[Unchained]

Commanders have been commanded!! Ugly

 

[BullsFan22]

Commanders get some of their own medicine served to them. Still, a great season for them.

Lions must still be punching the air. Eagles looking good. I give them a solid chance against both AFC teams.

 

[SHAD0W93]

If chiefs defense keeps like this, they’re winning by multiple scores.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Commanders get some of their own medicine served to them. Still, a great season for them.

Lions must still be punching the air. Eagles looking good. I give them a solid chance against both AFC teams.

Lions have only themselves to blame. Their turnovers killed their momentum and chance to stay ahead or keep pace. Literally could have went into the half with the lead despite the fumble and pick 6 yet they turned it over. But they could have got ran over by Eagles.


Looking more and more like another Super Bowl rematch.

 

[movingtarget]

Lions have only themselves to blame. Their turnovers killed their momentum and chance to stay ahead or keep pace. Literally could have went into the half with the lead despite the fumble and pick 6 yet they turned it over. But they could have got ran over by Eagles.


Looking more and more like another Super Bowl rematch.

Goff had a miserable game and he also had a bad game in the SB loss to the Patriots. A lot of people said " I told you so" after the bad games by Goff and Darnold after having good regular seasons.............now the Lions have lost both coordinators. Be interesting to see if they can have a similar season in the next one. They have the roster but the biggest question might be their QB in the high pressure games.

 

[SHAD0W93]

21-16 at halftime and looks like we will have another Super Bowl rematch. Bills lucky they got the fumble on Chiefs miscommunication and didn’t turn it over on multiple occasions. Chiefs lucky refs don’t call DPI (bar final Bills drive) or offensive holding. Chief also showing to be the better coached team stopping the Bills 2 point conversion standard while picking up their bread and butter on the Mahomes scramble.

 

[jmdirt]

Entertaining enough half of football.
-Neither team should have gone for 2.
--If any team (s) should, I would say these two, but not in the 1srt half.
-WAS 2 TOs!

Well, that ended up being a blowout!
Congrats PHI!

 

[jono]

Officials today not doing much to change the perception that Chiefs and Mahomes get all the big calls.

People will talk about that phantom catch near the goal line, but the big return to set up that drive had several egregious holds and a block in the back.

 

[jmdirt]

Entertaining first half of game 2.

 

[jmdirt]

Officials today not doing much to change the perception that Chiefs and Mahomes get all the big calls.

People will talk about that phantom catch near the goal line, but the big return to set up that drive had several egregious holds and a block in the back.

If you're going to post that, you have to post something about the four or five missed calls in the early game too right?

 

[jono]

If you're going to post that, you have to post something about the four or five missed calls in the early game too right?

As I said, the big calls, or the calls on the big plays.

 

[Nomad]

Who said Hurts couldn't throw the ball? Lol. I think he put that notion to rest with today's performance; 20/28 246 1 TD. And only 118 by Barkley? (I guess he was saving himself for the SB?).

460 yds TO & turnover free football won the day for the Eagles. Daniels played good in catchup but 4 turnovers will kill you in a playoff game.

But absolutely no one here expected the Commanders to be this successful with a rookie QB. They've laid a solid foundation to toward SB contention & can only get better with their franchise QB.

Hurts is setting some records in these playoffs;

Weiterleitungshinweis

 

[jmdirt]

As I said, the big calls, or the calls on the big plays.

The face mask that they just missed on BUF just now? 15 yards would make a big difference there...

 

[movingtarget]

Sloppy third quarter by the Chiefs.

 

[jono]

Interesting call here. How far did he need to go? The ball clearly gets to the yard line marker.