Nibali : i'm a symbol of a clean sport

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The more I read articles the more I am convinced Nibali and other cyclists believe what they are saying. They really don't think they are cheating. I know it flies in the face of reason but that never stopped anyone before.

I truly believe they think: I take drugs to compete but I don't cheat.
 
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WildspokeJoe said:
The more I read articles the more I am convinced Nibali and other cyclists believe what they are saying. They really don't think they are cheating. I know it flies in the face of reason but that never stopped anyone before.

I truly believe they think: I take drugs to compete but I don't cheat.

It's true, and the same with previous generations. They're not cheating their main competitors, so they're not cheating.
 
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Vino attacks everyone said:
you people...
Nibali is clean, and it is great that he finally tells the world about it. With the exception of Vino, I think Nibali might be the only gt/hilly classics contender who have been racing clean all his career.
Best post of the week (so far). Nuanced multi level trolling. Kudos. :D
 
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Vino attacks everyone said:
you people...
Nibali is clean, and it is great that he finally tells the world about it. With the exception of Vino, I think Nibali might be the only gt/hilly classics contender who have been racing clean all his career.

Lots of others just as clean as those two, Valverde, Schlecks,DiLuca...
 
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I truly believe they think: I take drugs to compete but I don't cheat.[/quote]

It's true, and the same with previous generations. They're not cheating their main competitors, so they're not cheating.[/quote]


This has been tested in psychological tests i believe, If someone lies to themselves for so long and in a consistent manner and with conviction then they will actually believe the lie and over time will not be able to distinguish between the two.

It is why I have a very slight amount of empathy with those that have been at a high level since a very young age as they have probably been through the whole thing for so long they are now brainwashed into believing they are clean,
As a young rider they are told they are having vitamin injections, or Iron injections, which they need to be injected as it works better in their bodies.
Then as a rider they are told that the doctor and the training plan is working and they need to keep on doing what they are doing. Maybe even being told by the doctor they are anemic and need the injections still.
By the time they are a full on pro they are so brainwashed into thinking it is normal they don't even register that they may be cheating any longer.
 
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Merckx index said:
Vino attacks everyone said:
you people...
Nibali is clean, and it is great that he finally tells the world about it. With the exception of Vino, I think Nibali might be the only gt/hilly classics contender who have been racing clean all his career.

Lots of others just as clean as those two, Valverde, Schlecks,DiLuca...

ricky riccio

dont forget ricky riccio

forget Cobra at ur peril
 
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ray j willings said:
I think Nibs is cleaner than Froome.
At their level of play, what makes the difference between winning and losing?
Does talent still play any role at all at that level?

If Froome knows he's protected, it would allow him to take his hematocrit to higher levels than Nibs, who'll surely think twice before taking his hematocrit to 50.

We know Rasmussen considered himself protected in 2007, which could explain why he risked juicing up maximally and was thus able to keep up with an arguably more talented Contador.

But much of that is speculation.
 
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The Hitch said:
ray j willings said:
I think Nibs is cleaner than Froome.

Based on what?.

Also wtf does.cleaner mean? You dope or you don't.
10 vials of epo makes someone better than 20?
"you dope or you don't"? I wouldn't say so.
UCI protection (having Zorzoli on speed dial) vs. UCI targeting (by means of BP warning letters, etc.) means some teams/riders will dare to risk more than others.
 
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sniper said:
ray j willings said:
I think Nibs is cleaner than Froome.
At their level of play, what makes the difference between winning and losing?
Does talent still play any role at all at that level?

If Froome knows he's protected, it would allow him to take his hematocrit to higher levels than Nibs, who'll surely think twice before taking his hematocrit to 50.

We know Rasmussen considered himself protected in 2007, which could explain why he risked juicing up maximally and was thus able to keep up with an arguably more talented Contador.

But much of that is speculation.

Really? ASO simply threatened Rabo continously during TDF, I don't get it how he was protected.
 
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burning said:
Really? ASO simply threatened Rabo continously during TDF, I don't get it how he was protected.


I think Sniper meant 2005... Things got different in 2007 once Rasmussen was about to win the TDF...


According to the Usada document, Rasmussen testified that on the first rest day of the 2005 Tour de France, his team was approached by the UCI because a test showed a very low reticulate count suggesting blood transfusions.

Leinders met with Zorzoli, then told the rider that he should not worry and was "the most protected rider in the race".

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/ ... ng-scandal
 
I'm not saying he's clean, but what it the evidence that he's doping?
He rides for Astana, is that enough?
Or, the fact that he so casually controlled the whole Tour?
That's he's won all 3 GTs?
That he does so well in many disciplines/parcours?
 
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robertmooreheadlane said:
I truly believe they think: I take drugs to compete but I don't cheat.

It's true, and the same with previous generations. They're not cheating their main competitors, so they're not cheating.[/quote]


This has been tested in psychological tests i believe, If someone lies to themselves for so long and in a consistent manner and with conviction then they will actually believe the lie and over time will not be able to distinguish between the two.

It is why I have a very slight amount of empathy with those that have been at a high level since a very young age as they have probably been through the whole thing for so long they are now brainwashed into believing they are clean,
As a young rider they are told they are having vitamin injections, or Iron injections, which they need to be injected as it works better in their bodies.
Then as a rider they are told that the doctor and the training plan is working and they need to keep on doing what they are doing. Maybe even being told by the doctor they are anemic and need the injections still.
By the time they are a full on pro they are so brainwashed into thinking it is normal they don't even register that they may be cheating any longer.[/quote]

This is very, very interesting to consider. Yep, if you've been on the regime since you're teenaged years, maybe you truly do believe you are just on vitamins and doctors orders...
 
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mrhender said:
burning said:
Really? ASO simply threatened Rabo continously during TDF, I don't get it how he was protected.


I think Sniper meant 2005... Things got different in 2007 once Rasmussen was about to win the TDF...


According to the Usada document, Rasmussen testified that on the first rest day of the 2005 Tour de France, his team was approached by the UCI because a test showed a very low reticulate count suggesting blood transfusions.

Leinders met with Zorzoli, then told the rider that he should not worry and was "the most protected rider in the race".

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/ ... ng-scandal

I thought that he had to flush some of his bloodbags as he was under pressure. He was clearly struggling after Courchevel and I am sure that contributed to his crashes in TT.
 
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mrhender said:
burning said:
Really? ASO simply threatened Rabo continously during TDF, I don't get it how he was protected.


I think Sniper meant 2005... Things got different in 2007 once Rasmussen was about to win the TDF...


According to the Usada document, Rasmussen testified that on the first rest day of the 2005 Tour de France, his team was approached by the UCI because a test showed a very low reticulate count suggesting blood transfusions.

Leinders met with Zorzoli, then told the rider that he should not worry and was "the most protected rider in the race".

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/ ... ng-scandal
i was under the false impression his usada statement referred to 2007.
tnx for clarifying!
 
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sniper said:
ray j willings said:
I think Nibs is cleaner than Froome.
At their level of play, what makes the difference between winning and losing?
Does talent still play any role at all at that level?

I'm of the opinion that stage 5 of the 2014 TdF was more about talent and less about differences in preparation.

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twisted pairs said:
sniper said:
ray j willings said:
I think Nibs is cleaner than Froome.
At their level of play, what makes the difference between winning and losing?
Does talent still play any role at all at that level?

I'm of the opinion that stage 5 of the 2014 TdF was more about talent and less about differences in preparation.

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Nibs has 1 thing that you don't see much in GC riders. He is a "mudder". When the conditions are terrible he gets harder. He also is an amazing bike handler. So the cobbles in last years tour mixed with the rain made him a beast on that stage.

His team that day was HUGE! Boom put him and kept him in great spots.

Chapeau to them!
 
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Nibali: ‘Astana is a symbol of clean and honest sport’

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/04/ ... ort_365363

GENT, Belgium (VN) — With Astana facing possible expulsion from cycling, 2014 Tour de France winner Vincenzo Nibali wrote to the UCI’s license commission in support of his team.

Italian newspaper La Gazzetta dello Sport published a letter the Italian grand tour star wrote via his lawyer, Fausto Malucchi. He sent the letter to the commission, which met with the Kazakh team Thursday in Geneva, Switzerland, to decide the team’s fate.

“The team, winner of the 2013 Giro d’Italia and 2014 Tour de France, is a symbol of clean and honest sport,” :eek: the letter reads, according to the newspaper.

“The team must continue to participate in all competitions. It is in the best interests of cycling, of sport and of justice.” :eek:

The 30-year-old Sicilian is currently in Tenerife, Spain, training at altitude for the 2015 Tour de France.

Since Nibali won last year’s Tour, the first Italian to do so since Marco Pantani in 1998, life has not been easy.

Five Astana cyclists tested positive for doping, including two from Nibali’s professional team — brothers Maxim and Valentin Iglinskiy. Maxim, winner of the 2012 Liège-Bastogne-Liège, was on Astana’s Tour team one month before his positive test.

The UCI’s commission hesitated before renewing the team’s 2015 license over the winter. However, the UCI said Astana’s fate would hinge on an audit by the Institute of Sport Sciences of the University of Lausanne (ISSUL).

After the UCI’s top brass read the audit, it immediately asked its commission to pull Astana’s license. Astana spent all day Thursday trying to defend itself against the commission’s panel at a hotel in Geneva.

Part of the evidence presented, according to La Gazzetta dello Sport, was a two-page printed e-mail from Nibali, known as “The Shark.”

“Nibali is universally known as a symbol of the fight against doping, and we believe it is very important for a team to have as a captain an athlete with this level of ethics,” reads the letter, written by Malucchi on Nibali’s behalf. :eek:

“The audit is certainly important in theoretical terms, but certain lacking elements render it weak. It is the first attempt to evaluate a cycling team, but it considers only Astana, and it does not contrast the team with other teams. It lacks a basis for comparison.

“How can you say that only Astana does not merit a license if the research was not carried out on all the teams in the WorldTour?”

Astana agreed to the audit — and to fund it — as part of the conditions the UCI stated when it granted the team a license in December.

Nibali also touched on the 550-page dossier from the Padua investigation in Italy. Prosecutors focused on the workings of doping doctor Michele Ferrari in 2010 and 2011. Ferrari reportedly worked with former pro and Astana’s current general manager Alexandre Vinokourov and 17 of the team’s riders. :eek:

“The dossier can’t be used,” the letter reads. “The documents still have not been presented in the court, and so can’t be considered credible.”

The letter appeared to be long on words but short on substance. The Tour champion backed his employer and said he and the team are honest and believable, but not much else.

Vinokourov’s other defense documents may be more effective in swaying the commission in Astana’s favor. The newspaper article reported that Pierre Zappelli, president of the four-member panel, scheduled another hearing for April 24 in Geneva.

Nibali remains in Tenerife training, but he’s unsure if his team will continue to exist. When he comes down from altitude (7,103 feet), he is due to race the Ardennes Classics and the Critérium du Dauphiné ahead of his Tour de France defense, which starts July 4 in Utrecht, Netherlands.
 
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Is this the most full of *** doper ever ? Let's add some more cocky declarations:

Telling Cookson he should come to races more often.
Telling Aru to sue Henderson