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I’m utterly devastated.


Frankiny’s been such a ninja, I’ve never heard of him before today, and I’ve been following THIS THREAD since the start of the race. He’s ninjaing the ninja competition here. This is 4-D chess, inception-levels of ninja here.
Who in gods name is Killian Frankiny.
I honestly thought you were using Frankiny as a nickname for a guy whose first name was Frank
 
Doesn't fit with the thread premise, but Kelderman is the obvious Zubeldia of the race. Never attacked, was never really on tv except for in the background, was always in the next group after the favourites.

Zubeldia got top tens on stage in 2012 and 2014 when he got top tens at the Tour so it makes sense..
 
Nieve has often been in breaks (and winning stages from them) to be considered a Ninja throughout his career. But his history of placements in GTs is worth a mention.

If nothing happens today this will be his 6th top10 and 15th top20 in 18 GTs ridden.
Best result: 8th.
Worst result: 25th.
Amazing consistency.

With a bit more luck and less captains to work for he would probably be the record holder for top10 without a podium in GTs.
 
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Nieve has often been in breaks (and winning stages from them) to be considered a Ninja throughout his career. But his history of placements in GTs is worth a mention.

If nothing happens today this will be his 6th top10 and 15th top20 in 18 GTs ridden.
Best result: 8th.
Worst result: 25th.
Amazing consistency.

With a bit more luck and less captains to work for he would probably be the record holder for top10 without a podium in GTs.
Don't you mean fewer captains? Otherwise, I think it would… get a bit messy… (though I'm glad you didn't say less captain…)

And that's my Stannis-moment for the day.
 
Who in gods name is Killian Frankiny.
I honestly thought you were using Frankiny as a nickname for a guy whose first name was Frank
Literally my best gest would be that he's a red-headed Irishman who used to ride for Aquablue. A lanky time-triallist with a little bit of a kick, say a slimmer Steven Cummings-type. I'm sticking with that until presented with unavoidable visual evidence to the contrary.
 
Literally my best gest would be that he's a red-headed Irishman who used to ride for Aquablue. A lanky time-triallist with a little bit of a kick, say a slimmer Steven Cummings-type. I'm sticking with that until presented with unavoidable visual evidence to the contrary.
Nah, he's a blond Swiss who used to ride for BMC.

 
With only the Madrid procession to go, and therefore presumably unlikely to change:

RiderPickerBest placingCurrent GCGap
Nicolas Edet-1118
Kilian FrankinyHakkie162125:56
Peter StetinaTigerion122846:39
Felix GrossschartnerAnderis13361:17:47
Antonio PedreroLibertine Seguros32431:33:47
Sergio PardillaArmchair Cyclist36882:46:00
Robert PowerLaarsland14902:49:20
Sergei ChernetskiStarlord261113:28:14
Nicolas RocheLogic is your friend2 (st 2)DNF
Alex AranburuScarponi9 (st 2)94
Victor de la ParteTobydawq17DNF
David de la CruzDel19629 (st6)66
Jesus HerradaPantani lives1 (st6)DNF
Rafal MajkaKoronin3 (st20)6-
George BennettSalvarani9 (st7)33
Oscar RodriguezCarton4 (st15)22
Ruben GuerreiroDJSprtsch2 (st15)17
Tao Geoghegan-HartShadow9310 (st9)20
Herman PernsteinerSafeBet6 (st9)15
Wilco KeldermanRed Rick5 (st17)7
Pierre LatourHayneplane6 (st 10 ITT)35
Dani MartinezJoeD199710 (st 10 ITT)41
Matteo FabbroCian8 (st 11)54
Carl Fredrik HagenLeinster6 (st 18)8
Louis MeintjesWirral7 (st 18)51

In terms of our predictions, Hakkie's choice of Frankiny is a clear winner in terms of the rules I suggested (see what you can do when you look beyond Dutch riders?).

I don't think there is any question that Frankiny has maintained ninja status, but has anyone ahead of him really been ninja, but fallen foul of my (rather arbitrary) rules?

Majka, Kelderman and Hagen were nominated for the game, and finished top 10. Majka has been too close to the top five too often, Kelderman was key to the break on stage 2 and the driving of the pace on stage 17; and Hagen blew it by outsprinting Pogacar at the end of 18.

Pernsteiner, Guererro and Geoghegan Hart are other selected riders who are ahead of Frankiny, but I think any invisibility of Pernsteiner was unveiled yesterday, Guerrero had a real shot at stage victory twice, and Geoghegan Hart has been possibly the most active rider (at least outside the top 5 GC men) in the last week.

So I would suggest that of our pickers, Hakkie has definitely been the best. But are there other riders who are ninja-er than Frankiny in the top 20?

My proposed criteria did not exclude Edet. I didn't see much of stage 8, but I don't think being in a 21 man group necessarily unmasks a ninja. Although the whole point of a leader's jersey is to make a rider prominent, it was a rather anonymous performance on stage 9, which was always going to belong to the GC guys.

Ahead of Edet, there is a rider who only has one stage that disqualified him on my rules, so should be considered. Ion Izagirre: was he near enough to the main men on stage 7 to be eliminated? I honestly can't remember at this removal. He was a quietly dutiful domestique otherwise.

So it seems to me the title is between three riders: Izagirre, Edet or Frankiny. I think I might be inclined to say Izagirre, but that is, as I say, based on not remembering stage 7 very clearly.

What do you think?
 
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Nah, he's a blond Swiss who used to ride for BMC.
Why? Why would you ruin it?
 
With only the Madrid procession to go, and therefore presumably unlikely to change:

RiderPickerBest placingCurrent GCGap
Nicolas Edet-1118
Kilian FrankinyHakkie162125:56
Peter StetinaTigerion122846:39
Felix GrossschartnerAnderis13361:17:47
Antonio PedreroLibertine Seguros32431:33:47
Sergio PardillaArmchair Cyclist36882:46:00
Robert PowerLaarsland14902:49:20
Sergei ChernetskiStarlord261113:28:14
Nicolas RocheLogic is your friend2 (st 2)DNF
Alex AranburuScarponi9 (st 2)94
Victor de la ParteTobydawq17DNF
David de la CruzDel19629 (st6)66
Jesus HerradaPantani lives1 (st6)DNF
Rafal MajkaKoronin3 (st20)6-
George BennettSalvarani9 (st7)33
Oscar RodriguezCarton4 (st15)22
Ruben GuerreiroDJSprtsch2 (st15)17
Tao Geoghegan-HartShadow9310 (st9)20
Herman PernsteinerSafeBet6 (st9)15
Wilco KeldermanRed Rick8 (st9)7
Pierre LatourHayneplane6 (st 10 ITT)35
Dani MartinezJoeD199710 (st 10 ITT)41
Matteo FabbroCian8 (st 11)54
Carl Fredrik HagenLeinster6 (st 18)8
Louis MeintjesWirral7 (st 18)51

In terms of our predictions, Hakkie's choice of Frankiny is a clear winner in terms of the rules I suggested (see what you can do when you look beyond Dutch riders?).

I don't think there is any question that Frankiny has maintained ninja status, but has anyone ahead of him really been ninja, but fallen foul of my (rather arbitrary) rules?

Majka, Kelderman and Hagen were nominated for the game, and finished top 10. Majka has been too close to the top five too often, Kelderman was key to the break on stage 2 and the driving of the pace on stage 17; and Hagen blew it by outsprinting Pogacar at the end of 18.

Pernsteiner, Guererro and Geoghegan Hart are other selected riders who are ahead of Frankiny, but I think any invisibility of Pernsteiner was unveiled yesterday, Guerrero had a real shot at stage victory twice, and Geoghegan Hart has been possibly the most active rider (at least outside the top 5 GC men) in the last week.

So I would suggest that of our pickers, Hakkie has definitely been the best. But are there other riders who are ninja-er than Frankiny in the top 20?

My proposed criteria did not exclude Edet. I didn't see much of stage 8, but I don't think being in a 21 man group necessarily unmasks a ninja. Although the whole point of a leader's jersey is to make a rider prominent, it was a rather anonymous performance on stage 9, which was always going to belong to the GC guys.

Ahead of Edet, there is a rider who only has one stage that disqualified him on my rules, so should be considered. Ion Izagirre: was he near enough to the main men on stage 7 to be eliminated? I honestly can't remember at this removal. He was a quietly dutiful domestique otherwise.

So it seems to me the title is between three riders: Izagirre, Edet or Frankiny. I think I might be inclined to say Izagirre, but that is, as I say, based on not remembering stage 7 very clearly.

What do you think?
I think it depends on how you define the award. In terms of an actual ninja, I think Frankiny should win. I watched a big chunk of the Vuelta and had absolutely no idea who that guy was until the ginger one told me.

But then again he finished over an hour off Roglic. I think the Zubeldia award should be won by the guy on that list whose best stage result is higher than his final GC position. I think there's something special about that. Yeah, the fact that he took a couple of turns here and there and we got to see teammates working for him and we got to see the back of his jersey once or twice, but I don't remember seeing Kelderman's actual face on TV all Vuelta.
 

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