FFS, Hagen! You were supposed to be the new Haimar!
I’m utterly devastated.FFS, Hagen! You were supposed to be the new Haimar!
Who in gods name is Killian Frankiny.I’m utterly devastated.
Frankiny’s been such a ninja, I’ve never heard of him before today, and I’ve been following THIS THREAD since the start of the race. He’s ninjaing the ninja competition here. This is 4-D chess, inception-levels of ninja here.
Don't you mean fewer captains? Otherwise, I think it would… get a bit messy… (though I'm glad you didn't say less captain…)Nieve has often been in breaks (and winning stages from them) to be considered a Ninja throughout his career. But his history of placements in GTs is worth a mention.
If nothing happens today this will be his 6th top10 and 15th top20 in 18 GTs ridden.
Best result: 8th.
Worst result: 25th.
With a bit more luck and less captains to work for he would probably be the record holder for top10 without a podium in GTs.
Literally my best gest would be that he's a red-headed Irishman who used to ride for Aquablue. A lanky time-triallist with a little bit of a kick, say a slimmer Steven Cummings-type. I'm sticking with that until presented with unavoidable visual evidence to the contrary.Who in gods name is Killian Frankiny.
I honestly thought you were using Frankiny as a nickname for a guy whose first name was Frank
Nah, he's a blond Swiss who used to ride for BMC.Literally my best gest would be that he's a red-headed Irishman who used to ride for Aquablue. A lanky time-triallist with a little bit of a kick, say a slimmer Steven Cummings-type. I'm sticking with that until presented with unavoidable visual evidence to the contrary.
|Rider||Picker||Best placing||Current GC||Gap|
|Antonio Pedrero||Libertine Seguros||32||43||1:33:47|
|Sergio Pardilla||Armchair Cyclist||36||88||2:46:00|
|Logic is your friend||2 (st 2)||DNF|
|Scarponi||9 (st 2)||94|
|Pantani lives||1 (st6)||DNF|
|Red Rick||5 (st17)||7|
|Hayneplane||6 (st 10 ITT)||35|
|JoeD1997||10 (st 10 ITT)||41|
|Cian||8 (st 11)||54|
|Leinster||6 (st 18)||8|
|Wirral||7 (st 18)||51|
Why? Why would you ruin it?Nah, he's a blond Swiss who used to ride for BMC.
Kilian Frankiny (born 1994-01-26) is a professional road racing cyclist from Switzerland, currently riding for Groupama - FDJ. His best results are 1st place in GC Giro Ciclistico della Valle d'Aosta Mont Blanc, 21st place in GC La Vuelta ciclista a España and 7th place in Trofeo Laigueglia.www.procyclingstats.com
I think it depends on how you define the award. In terms of an actual ninja, I think Frankiny should win. I watched a big chunk of the Vuelta and had absolutely no idea who that guy was until the ginger one told me.With only the Madrid procession to go, and therefore presumably unlikely to change:
Rider Picker Best placing Current GC Gap Nicolas Edet - 11 18 Kilian Frankiny Hakkie 16 21 25:56 Peter Stetina Tigerion 12 28 46:39 Felix Grossschartner Anderis 13 36 1:17:47 Antonio Pedrero Libertine Seguros 32 43 1:33:47 Sergio Pardilla Armchair Cyclist 36 88 2:46:00 Robert Power Laarsland 14 90 2:49:20 Sergei Chernetski Starlord 26 111 3:28:14 Nicolas Roche Logic is your friend 2 (st 2) DNF Alex Aranburu Scarponi 9 (st 2) 94 Victor de la Parte Tobydawq 17 DNF David de la Cruz Del1962 9 (st6) 66 Jesus Herrada Pantani lives 1 (st6) DNF Rafal Majka Koronin 3 (st20) 6 - George Bennett Salvarani 9 (st7) 33 Oscar Rodriguez Carton 4 (st15) 22 Ruben Guerreiro DJSprtsch 2 (st15) 17 Tao Geoghegan-Hart Shadow93 10 (st9) 20 Herman Pernsteiner SafeBet 6 (st9) 15 Wilco Kelderman Red Rick 8 (st9) 7 Pierre Latour Hayneplane 6 (st 10 ITT) 35 Dani Martinez JoeD1997 10 (st 10 ITT) 41 Matteo Fabbro Cian 8 (st 11) 54 Carl Fredrik Hagen Leinster 6 (st 18) 8 Louis Meintjes Wirral 7 (st 18) 51
In terms of our predictions, Hakkie's choice of Frankiny is a clear winner in terms of the rules I suggested (see what you can do when you look beyond Dutch riders?).
I don't think there is any question that Frankiny has maintained ninja status, but has anyone ahead of him really been ninja, but fallen foul of my (rather arbitrary) rules?
Majka, Kelderman and Hagen were nominated for the game, and finished top 10. Majka has been too close to the top five too often, Kelderman was key to the break on stage 2 and the driving of the pace on stage 17; and Hagen blew it by outsprinting Pogacar at the end of 18.
Pernsteiner, Guererro and Geoghegan Hart are other selected riders who are ahead of Frankiny, but I think any invisibility of Pernsteiner was unveiled yesterday, Guerrero had a real shot at stage victory twice, and Geoghegan Hart has been possibly the most active rider (at least outside the top 5 GC men) in the last week.
So I would suggest that of our pickers, Hakkie has definitely been the best. But are there other riders who are ninja-er than Frankiny in the top 20?
My proposed criteria did not exclude Edet. I didn't see much of stage 8, but I don't think being in a 21 man group necessarily unmasks a ninja. Although the whole point of a leader's jersey is to make a rider prominent, it was a rather anonymous performance on stage 9, which was always going to belong to the GC guys.
Ahead of Edet, there is a rider who only has one stage that disqualified him on my rules, so should be considered. Ion Izagirre: was he near enough to the main men on stage 7 to be eliminated? I honestly can't remember at this removal. He was a quietly dutiful domestique otherwise.
So it seems to me the title is between three riders: Izagirre, Edet or Frankiny. I think I might be inclined to say Izagirre, but that is, as I say, based on not remembering stage 7 very clearly.
What do you think?
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