No longer a Lance fanboy thread

[Andynonomous]

Liar liar pants on fire.

I would rather trust an admitted liar over a liar who won't admit that he lied.

 

[flicker]

I would rather trust an admitted liar over a liar who won't admit that he lied.

How do you know he wasn't lying when he said he was lying?

 

[Andynonomous]

Common sense

How do you know he wasn't lying when he said he was lying?

People don't work that way. They rarely tell the truth for a long time, then lie to "cover up" the truth. It almost ALWAYS goes the other way.

Considering the consequences for Tyler for telling the truth now (losing gold medal, losing "friends" in the industry, losing his credibilty by admitting he lied,...), it is EXTREMELY unlikely he is lying now, and as many of the Lance fanboys admit (by saying "they all do it"), it is OVERWHELMINGLY likely that Lance is still lying.

Of course, you already knew this.

 

[flicker]

People don't work that way. They rarely tell the truth for a long time, then lie to "cover up" the truth. It almost ALWAYS goes the other way.

Considering the consequences for Tyler for telling the truth now (losing gold medal, losing "friends" in the industry, losing his credibilty by admitting he lied,...), it is EXTREMELY unlikely he is lying now, and as many of the Lance fanboys admit (by saying "they all do it"), it is OVERWHELMINGLY likely that Lance is still lying.

The most awesome liars believe their own lies. Those people really make fire in my tummy, they are true sociopaths. I believe Lance is a psychopath, but not a sociopath. I think to win the racers he won,(doped, undoped, whatever, I don't care,) you need to be a psycho. Believe me, Grand Tours are unnatural to the human organism, a person is really destroying his organism,(see the video interview on cyclingnews today, Dennnigan,) more akin to battle, war. That is why I was dissappointed that Leopard did not fight after Wouter's unfortunate accident, in in this years Giro. It is war.If their is a true lie in Lance, if he is a fraud, he will admit it. Believe me, not as quickly as people here would like, but if he did lie, he will admit it. You heard it here.

 

[Andynonomous]

You might be right.

The most awesome liars believe their own lies. Those people really make fire in my tummy, they are true sociopaths. I believe Lance is a psychopath, but not a sociopath. I think to win the racers he won,(doped, undoped, whatever, I don't care,) you need to be a psycho. Believe me, Grand Tours are unnatural to the human organism, a person is really destroying his organism,(see the video interview on cyclingnews today, Dennnigan,) more akin to battle, war. That is why I was dissappointed that Leopard did not fight after Wouter's unfortunate accident, in in this years Giro. It is war.If their is a true lie in Lance, if he is a fraud, he will admit it. Believe me, not as quickly as people here would like, but if he did lie, he will admit it. You heard it here.

He MAY admit it, but not before he is convinced there is no other way out.

 

[schnebit]

I would rather trust an admitted liar over a liar who won't admit that he lied.

Better the devil you know than the devil you don't, I guess...

 

[Mishrak]

Admitting I'm a member of the I thought he was innocent until the stuff about Hincapie was leaked club. I'm still optimistic that Lance will do the right thing when the Feds present him with an option to confess.

It's really really hard to watch any old cycling highlights without the doping goggles on now. I'll also concede that it's hard to watch cycling today without doping goggles on, but I just have to trust that things are moving forward or I'll completely loathe a sport I otherwise really really love.

 

[Oldman]

Admitting I'm a member of the I thought he was innocent until the stuff about Hincapie was leaked club. I'm still optimistic that Lance will do the right thing when the Feds present him with an option to confess.It's really really hard to watch any old cycling highlights without the doping goggles on now. I'll also concede that it's hard to watch cycling today without doping goggles on, but I just have to trust that things are moving forward or I'll completely loathe a sport I otherwise really really love.

I just visited the facts4lance website. It sets a supremely low bar for preparation and simple spelling signalling the end of "excellence" for Lance and his team. If it weren't serious in it's attempt at defense for Armstrong it wouldn't be nearly as hilarious as it is but should give the hopeful former fans an indication of how low Lance will go rather than admit anything.

 

[erik saunders]

Exactly! They're all a bunch of liars. Floyd and Tyler have absolutely NO credibility in my book. As far as Hincappie goes, if he admitted to the FED that he exchanged EPO with Armstrong, how was he still allowed to race in the ToC?

i am not saying that they arent telling the truth about what they did at this point... i am just saying that they thought only of themselves and of course lied when they got pinched... thats what you do when you feel you have too much to lose by NOT lying about being a doper...

then they didnt have any problem taking full advantage of the naive cycling public to not have to go broke defending their careers, unbelievably sleazy... that took some serious balls... i am sure they have to feel like **** about that if they are decent guys... hope they are buying lottery tickets...

and still there are some idiots who would gladly fork over to defend another guy in the same spot if he asked for it... sports fans are sort of nuts like that to get sucked into a thing with a bunch of lying narcissists...

 

[sars1981]

His behaviour is not that much different to what many other a$$holes would do in his position lol. It doesnt make him a sociopath. Just an arrogant ******bag.

 

[Mambo95]

I never believed Tyler or Floyd first time around, just not that stupid but I do believe them now. I was right once, whats the odds on me being right twice. Pretty good I think.

Although, Landis still maintains that he didn't take testosterone at the 2006 Tour. So, his stance on the 2006 failed tested, specifically, hasn't changed.

In reality, no-one ever really tells the 'whole truth and nothing but the truth'.

 

[Race Radio]

It appears there are many former fanboys

Mr. Armstrong's brand reputation, which it measures by what it calls an N-Score, has plummeted from a career high of 775 in 2005 to 194 now

http://adage.com/article/news/livestrong-s-challenge-surviving-lance-armstrong-backlash/227749/

 

[Merckx index]

It's probably too early to tell, but the N-score graph they show doesn't provide any evidence that these latest revelations have damaged his brand (in fact, the most recent data point is April). Clearly there was a large decline following his initial retirement in 2005, followed by a plateau till 2008, then a further decline. I found it interesting that there has been an almost constant decline since 2008, despite the comeback announcement in that year. There was a slight bump for the 2010 TDF, but that's all. OTOH, also not much evidence that Floyd's allegations damaged the brand, either, as it was already in a decline and continued to do so.

So the figure indicates pretty clearly that the brand has been in gradual long-term decline, regardless of how LA's personal and professional life has gone. This is most obviously attributed to his time away from the sport, and perhaps also because for many people it has lost its novelty or whatever it is that drives these brands. One could use this figure to argue that LA's comeback had almost no effect whatsoever on cancer awareness.

 

[Benotti69]

It's probably too early to tell, but the N-score graph they show doesn't provide any evidence that these latest revelations have damaged his brand (in fact, the most recent data point is April). Clearly there was a large decline following his initial retirement in 2005, followed by a plateau till 2008, then a further decline. I found it interesting that there has been an almost constant decline since 2008, despite the comeback announcement in that year. There was a slight bump for the 2010 TDF, but that's all. OTOH, also not much evidence that Floyd's allegations damaged the brand, either, as it was already in a decline and continued to do so.

So the figure indicates pretty clearly that the brand has been in gradual long-term decline, regardless of how LA's personal and professional life has gone. This is most obviously attributed to his time away from the sport, and perhaps also because for many people it has lost its novelty or whatever it is that drives these brands. One could use this figure to argue that LA's comeback had almost no effect whatsoever on cancer awareness.

i thought his decline, exposure wise after, retirement was what precipitated the return to boost the LIESTRONG brand?

 

[VeloCity]

What conclusion can we draw from this? Well, their stories seem very similar, so this time they must be telling the truth? Hardly...

Well the alternative conclusion is that for whatever reason Floyd and Tyler got together for a beer one day a couple of years ago and decided that they would get Armstrong by making up this story about systematic doping at USPS and seeing Armstrong use EPO and testosterone and the TdS positive and how the UCI made it go away. Then they decided that Floyd would go first and Tyler would wait a year before corroborating it.

But the big difference here from other doping cases is that there's an investigation going on that will either essentially prove them - and "them" refers to a lot more folks than just Floyd and Tyler - right or show that they were lying.

 

[VeloGirl]

Well the alternative conclusion is that for whatever reason Floyd and Tyler got together for a beer one day a couple of years ago and decided that they would get Armstrong by making up this story about systematic doping at USPS and seeing Armstrong use EPO and testosterone and the TdS positive and how the UCI made it go away. Then they decided that Floyd would go first and Tyler would wait a year before corroborating it.

But the big difference here from other doping cases is that there's an investigation going on that will either essentially prove them - and "them" refers to a lot more folks than just Floyd and Tyler - right or show that they were lying.

And don't forget the part about loosing their career, money and marriage - they both decided THAT was worth it