No love lost for Lance - media reacts

[Maxiton]

It was desperate. And huge chunks of it ranged from disingenuous to unbelievable. There was far too much defiance and contradiction of evidence and abdication of responsibility to respond to in one column, although I will start by saying that I don't believe for a minute that he was clean in his comeback.

Armstrong is a toppled despot, a statue pulled off his pedestal, but his legs are still moving reflexively in the rubble. By force of lifetime habit, he's still trying to shape his own narrative.

http://espn.go.com/sports/endurance...erview-oprah-winfrey-doping-typical-spectacle

 

[D-Queued]

Some sleazy tabloid should dig up Liestrong's birth father for an interview.

Perhaps Papa Gunderson saw the writing on the wall 41 years ago and decided to jump ship while the gettin' was still good.

He passed away a couple of years ago.

Dave.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

He passed away a couple of years ago.

Dave.

An interview would involving digging up Armstrong's father, but in a literal rather than figurative way.

 

[SundayRider]

My take on the interview - didn't say anything unexpected, attempted to point out his flaws and admit some allegations (bullying etc) to attempt to alter public image. I also noted how he tried to make out that he was a 'better standard' of cheat than some others because he 'wasn't going to name names and accuse others' in his world this is obviously important. I laughed when he said he hadn't read Tyler's book - I bet he read it the moment he could get hold of a copy. Tonight's part 2 will mainly focus on his personal life...

 

[cineteq]

And his live comments.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8855741

Another apologist bites the dust. Who's next?

 

[the asian]

All the major medias in the major cycling countries aren't buying it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/21081277

He gets some sympathy/mention of charity work only from the Chinese and Indians, who obviously aren't interested in the whole story.

 

[Mishrak]

http://espn.go.com/sports/endurance...erview-oprah-winfrey-doping-typical-spectacle

I've always appreciated Bonnie Ford. She really has understood for a long time, what goes on in the sport. She didn't suffer the same route that Rick Reilly did and she's reported well on a sport that ESPN probably doesn't care a whole ton about if Lance isn't involved. Chapeau for that article.

 

[silverrocket]

An interview would involving digging up Armstrong's father, but in a literal rather than figurative way.

Modern day journalists simply lack that sort of commitment to getting the whole story. Shame, really.

 

[silverrocket]

Ever since the '93 Thrift Drug / $1m Triple Crown.*

Obviously rigged. And, it was.

Dave.

*and with some concern when he raced with Subaru/Montgomery in 91/92

What do you mean by rigged? I can't remember the details of this, though I seem to remember a payoff to help him win the last one. Would appreciate hearing that whole story, thanks Dave.

A thread on Armstrong's pre-cancer results would be interesting, since we now know for sure that he was doping then.

 

[ultimobici]

What do you mean by rigged? I can't remember the details of this, though I seem to remember a payoff to help him win the last one. Would appreciate hearing that whole story, thanks Dave.

A thread on Armstrong's pre-cancer results would be interesting, since we now know for sure that he was doping then.

Here you go

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-15/australian-legend-witnessed-armstrong-bribe/4312558
http://stevetilford.com/?p=22209

Motorola paid off Coors Light so they'd not chase Armstrong. He walked away with $600K and they were paid $50K.

 

[The_Z_man]

I finally got around to reading the Sally Jenkins/Charlie Rose transcript. I just makes me even more mad at her than I was when I read the "I'll continue to lick LA's ball" article she wrote.

She just brushes off any talk of LA's bully tactics. The biggest part of this story is not just that he lied, but that anyone who confronted him was sued, dragged through the mud, or, at the very least, fired. He told Oprah that he couldn't even remember how many people he's sued over the years, and he laughed that off. I'm sure Sally was laughing that off too. He talked about who got hurt, not that he was the one doing the hurting. I'm sure Sally thought they had it coming.

The Post is a newspaper of repute. How they can continue to employ this woman is beyond me.

 

[D-Queued]

The media is never going to forgive nor forget Lance.

Lance is the embodiment of that which the press most fears: Restricted Freedom of the Press.

He bullied them. He lied to them. He made them lie for him. He sued them. He played favorites with them. He manipulated them.

It took them a long time to tell the truth. That doesn't mean that they didn't want to. Some may have even thought they were, but were manipulated by him, while others were outright blocked from doing so.

Hell hath no fury like the wrath of the Press scorned.

Dave.

 

[Benotti69]

Paul Kimmage will be on 'Off the Ball' in the following hour.

newstalk.ie

 

[the asian]

The Washington post is keeping up the game. Relentless.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...l?Post+generic=?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

 

[trompe le monde]

Fraud Bytes' take on the Oprah Interview

 

[M Sport]

A sample of what I have seen over the last 12 hours.

Tomalaris - pathetic response, still doesn't get it. Shouldn't be in the job he is.

Sam Lane - Why sad, sick and angry now? The time for that was sometime backward between October 2012 and 1999 depending on how good a journalist you are.

Sunrise this morning - Mark Beretta and Simon Reeve, not too bad. Called BS on the parts of the interview that most of the clinic would also call BS to. Dropped a clanger though in "Don't worry Australia, you can be 100 percent sure Cadel Evans is clean".

O'Grady and McEwin - low IQ or liars, or both.

 

[msjett]

http://http://www.smh.com.au/sport/...-ideal-of-fighting-spirit-20130118-2cyr2.html

Not sure if someone already posted this but an interesting none the less....

 

[trompe le monde]

New Yorker - Lance Armstrong's Flawed Confession

Last few paragraphs:

One reaction to Armstrong’s interview has been to remark on his lack of emotion, but that’s not really right. There was plenty of emotion there, just not what one might call the appropriate kind. He didn’t wallow in regret; instead there was an electric hostility toward remorse. There was also, as always with Lance, a passion for himself. Oprah played him a clip of his victory speech after the 2005 Tour de France, in which he said, “For the people that don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the skeptics, I’m sorry for you, I’m sorry you can’t dream big. And I’m sorry you don’t believe in miracles.” She asked Armstrong how that struck him now: “Do you feel embarrassed? Do you feel ashamed? Do you feel humbled? Do you feel—tell me what you feel.” He paused; he looked surprised to hear that those were the choices. And then:

I’m definitely embarrassed. Listen, that was the last time I won the Tour de France. That was the last—that was my last day. I retired immediately after that. That’s what you leave with? You can leave with better than that, Lance. That was lame.

So his performance was not up to par? In the midst of a confession, Armstrong’s focus was on how he might have better projected his greatness. That’s not what he’s left with anyway; now, he leaves as a disgrace.

 

[fatsprintking]

A sample of what I have seen over the last 12 hours.

Tomalaris - pathetic response, still doesn't get it. Shouldn't be in the job he is.

Sam Lane - Why sad, sick and angry? The time for that was sometime backward between October 2012 and 1999 depending on how good a journalist you are.

Sunrise this morning - Mark Beretta and Simon Reeve, not too bad. Called BS on the parts of the interview that most of the clinic would also call BS too. Dropped a clanger though in "Don't worry Australia, you can be 100 percent sure Cadel Evans is clean".

O'Grady and McEwin - low IQ or liars, or both.

The Australian media need to get with the program and start waking up to the fact that talking to people who are "in cycling" is talking to people who are part of the problem.

Phil Anderson and Patrick Jonker are the problem. Phil Ligget is the problem. Mike Turter is the problem and to be honest Robbie McEwen and Staurt O'Grady are the problem.

Mike Tomalaris is the biggest muppet in the whole sorry story and don't even get me started on that goose in the novelty shirts - thats you Rupert.

 

[DirtyWorks]

A thread on Armstrong's pre-cancer results would be interesting, since we now know for sure that he was doping then.

Know for sure? He was doping with Carmichael and Wenzel as a Junior.

Know for sure? It's been "for sure" for 20 years.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Until LieStrong is properly investigated, his sins will be forgiven by some because of that alone

I can't believe still no one is going in that. it's a fraud just as big as lance's whole career

 

[D-Queued]

I can't believe still no one is going in that. it's a fraud just as big as lance's whole career

Bigger. More victims. More money fraudulently solicited.

Dave.

 

[Benotti69]

Bigger. More victims. More money fraudulently solicited.

Dave.

Yep. This fraud needs to be exposed more than his cycling career.

 

[DirtyWorks]

While I give a small amount of credit to the journalists who are at least admitting their stupidity and some cases their complicity, for the most part they're a bunch of spineless hacks.

As mentioned in another thread, the proper way to manage your career as a Wonderboy journalist is to claim you too were lied to and completely ignore your prior complicity in the myth. Victim plays pretty well.

Meanwhile, dissent was marginalized years ago. Cowards.

Anyone read anything from that sycophant Wilcockson? Summer, 2012 he was still trying to sell the myth. And then B.S. like "Like many other longtime cycling journalists, I’ve been accused of being too close to the athletes and the teams to write with detachment about doping, and as such I’ve been complicit in cycling’s doping problems. That’s a subject I want to address in a future column. "

Richard Sachs posts "Tick tock atmo."

And if Wonderboy finds a way around this disaster where he can run another scam, the media will be there to build it up all over again.

 

[AussieEdge]

The Australian media need to get with the program and start waking up to the fact that talking to people who are "in cycling" is talking to people who are part of the problem.

Phil Anderson and Patrick Jonker are the problem. Phil Ligget is the problem. Mike Turter is the problem and to be honest Robbie McEwen and Staurt O'Grady are the problem.

Mike Tomalaris is the biggest muppet in the whole sorry story and don't even get me started on that goose in the novelty shirts - thats you Rupert.

I agree with this sadly....& I used to idolise Stuey so it's hard to admit that

as for Cadel I'm still a believer